Not Pakistan, Indira Gandhi’s India escalated military action before 1971 war

[SQ8]

In 1971, We were defeated by the treason of our own Muslim kin not by the conspiracy of the Brahmin.

That being said, those sanctimonious hypocrites who today accuse us of terrorism in Kashmir don’t have the moral decency to acknowledge that they were courting Bengali Hindus in the military and bureucracy through invites to Calcutta from the 50’s and were in full fledged training of insurgents in the late 60’s.

 

[The Eagle]

Sir.

It is nice to see that the bot has upgraded from 1965 war. Let us give about 3 to 4 years till 1971 will be claimed by Pakistanis as another victory when they got rid of Bengalis?

We will be lagging behind since, Surgical strikes. I admit, can't match such quality advancement.

 

[saiyan0321]

yet a political defeat (outstanding issue of J&K)

waisay what is the indian view point on that?

 

[Hellfire]

waisay what is the indian view point on that?

I am giving you the Indian POV. The armed forces consider it another missed opportunity. In 1965, status quo ante was restored, whatever the reasons. You may have heard of the popular belief that Gen JN Chaudhari, the then COAS of Indian Army, was misinformed of the status of Indian War Reserves. I am not entirely sure how much should I weigh that in, although he did give that assessment. But the Defence Minister was also of the opinion that war should be allowed to continue and was pretty much clued up with the same information.

However, the problem that the GoI was facing, was of a weak economy that could not sustain an isolation, especially on backs of two consecutive wars - 1962 and then the ongoing 1965. The diplomatic situation was of US and UK moving away from India, and USSR, in a bid to ensure cordial relations with China without China's move towards Pakistan in face of overt support to India, played a diplomatic master stroke in offering to facilitate a ceasefire and end to hostilities.

This is purely my speculation that the COAS was 'amiable' to the Political requirements of the day and the GoI was more or less willing to accept a ceasefire, as eventually it was achieved. The subsequent swap of captured territories and the status quo ante on Kashmir, especially the handing over of Hajipir was not taken lightly by the soldiers. That was a mistake that we have had to bear consequences of till date.

As for 1971, the gains achieved were squandered at Shimla. Again no two ways about it. Kashmir needed to be permanently settled. Either India should have completely absorbed it, or divided it by permanent recognition of LC as a border, or vacated it altogether. But we let the status quo remain, except for certain territory swaps, the only significant gains of the war which we held onto was in the Shyok Valley sector, where the Commander of 102 Indian Infantry Brigade, on his own initiative, launched attacks against 85 of the features held by PA, capturing about 35 while failing to capture the rest. (Small sub unit level positions)

I do not recall the casualty figures, but they were in a couple of hundreds if I recollect. The 35 features which we did manage to hold on to, allowed the re-alignment of the existing CFL, thereby giving birth to Siachen Issue. Had these features not been captured, our Actual Ground Position may not have been able to sustain our position on Siachen if we go by the Karachi Agreement of 1948.

I am a bit hazy on the precise details. But will revert as soon as I can find the exact details of this particular episode. It may take time. If you can add/correct the above, shall be grateful. I am just writing without re-checking the facts as of now.

We will be lagging behind since, Surgical strikes. I admit, can't match such quality advancement.

Et tu, @The Eagle ?

Please re-collect the last exchange we both had on this topic. I refuse to be drawn into something which is an age old practice as you and I are both aware.

The post you have quoted? Please be forewarned, you asked for it:

And imagine the patience in the reply:

What can I say? Now the military objectives are Tea & Coffee

You will find the thread quite entertaining.

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/pakistan-warns-india-dont-make-provocative-remarks.588412/page-6


On a lighter note, Maleeha Lodhi and Pellet photograph is difficult to match.

 

[The Eagle]

On a lighter note, Maleeha Lodhi and Pellet photograph is difficult to match.

On more lighter note; Sushma merely managed to repeat Modi's election speech back then. By the way, Qureshi did not try flirt with her last time rather, he used the classic Urdu style to address situation.

Et tu, @The Eagle ?

Please re-collect the last exchange we both had on this topic. I refuse to be drawn into something which is an age old practice as you and I are both aware.

The post you have quoted? Please be forewarned, you asked for it:

And imagine the patience in the reply:

What can I say? Now the military objectives are Tea & Coffee

You will find the thread quite entertaining.

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/pakistan-warns-india-dont-make-provocative-remarks.588412/page-6

Can't deny as this was the only top quote at time hence, addressed accordingly. If I have to tease a ranking one from opposite side, I will say that "Your tea is cold" and, man with history will get it. There isn't a thing to draw down rather, both sides does it differently.