Nobel laureate's wife detained

[prototype]

You know speaking out against your govt. is not necessarily the sign of being a traitor. I think all Asian countries (including India) and USA suffer from this syndrome. I've also been called a traitor to India sometimes because I don't agree to the views of the establishment all the time. Does that mean I say what I say with ill-feeling toward India or because I have my own views on how I think India can better?

May be but Arundhati roy was not handed a 11yr term,what if she was in China

 

[huzihaidao12]

The Constitution can be wrong.

That is India, Chinese people support our constitution.

 

[huzihaidao12]

You know speaking out against your govt. is not necessarily the sign of being a traitor. I think all Asian countries (including India) and USA suffer from this syndrome. I've also been called a traitor to India sometimes because I don't agree to the views of the establishment all the time. Does that mean I say what I say with ill-feeling toward India or because I have my own views on how I think India can better?

Do not simply replace the Chinese people's thoughts, I also oppose some of the things to the Chinese government, without any problem, we have our reasons for opposition, if you do not know enough about, it is best to speak carefully.

 

[huzihaidao12]

May be but Arundhati roy was not handed a 11yr term,what if she was in China

Not guaranteed.




Rahul Krishnakumar Vaid - Boy held for slandering Sonia on Orkut

Boy Held For Slandering Sonia On Orkut



Rahul Krishnakumar Vaid, a twenty-two year old boy from Gurgaon in Haryana was arrested last Friday by the cyber crime cell of Pune for posting some inappropriate content on the social networking website Orkut about the Congress President Sonia Gandhi. Under the IT act, posting vulgar and inappropriate content is punishable. This boy had posted on Orkut under a community titled "I hate Sonia Gandhi".

Rahul has been arrested under Section 292 of the Indian Penal Code which deals with content which is vulgar and obscene in nature. He has also been charged under Section 67 which relates to posting this kind of content in electronic form. If he is found guilty of his crime, he will have to serve upto five years in prison and will be paying a fine of upto Rs.1 lakh.

This arrest was made because of complaint made by a Congress worker in Pune who had noticed these messages on Orkut recently. The police are now on a lookout for everybody who had posted some obscene content about Sonia Gandhi. However, the person who created the community has not been charged for hating a famous personality or having opinion which is illegal in India.

The law enforcement agency had asked Google, who is the owner of Orkut to provide the details of Vaid and it obliged. Google said that the police authorities had asked for the details of the boy and they gave them the IP address information. Till the time India has some strict laws regarding cyber crimes like the US, it is always better to avoid joining such communities or to join them after paying proper attention to it.




http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...-days-on-cyber-charge/articleshow/2513737.cms

Wrong man in jail for 50 days on cyber charge

Lakshmana Kailash K was kept in jail for 50 days (TOI Photo)
MUMBAI: In the early hours of August 31, Lakshmana Kailash K was asleep at his home in Bangalore.

He was woken up by eight policemen from Pune who came knocking on his door and waved the Information Technology Act, 2000, in his sleepy, terrified face.

Get dressed, he was told, we are taking you to Pune for having defamed Shivaji. Lakshmana protested that he didn't know anyone called Shivaji.

The policemen said that they were talking about Chhatrapati Shivaji and that an insulting picture of him had been uploaded on the Internet networking site, Orkut. The trail had led them to his computer in Bangalore.

Turning a deaf ear to his protests, the cops took him to Pune and put him behind bars. Along the way, the 26-year-old Lakshmana, who works with HCL, learned that what he was being arrested for was a case that had triggered riots in Pune in November 2006.

Political parties had forcibly closed cybercafes and gone on a rampage over the posting of the illustration which had poked fun at Shivaji.

Lakshmana was released after spending 50 days in jail, three weeks after the cops claimed to have nabbed the "real culprits".

 

[challenger]

If liu event happened about a decade ago, I would have had been against his view. However, as China develops rapidly in economy with massive middle class coming into being across the cities, the time comes nearer and nearer for systemic political reform, without which China's truly rise will be compromised.

By political reform, I don't neccesarily mean that CPC must be ousted. As long as another political party is allowed to become constitutional legal (in real sense, not just on paper), it would form a much needed counter balance to CPC to prevent corruptions and provide fairer social justice, both of which are severely undermining China's economic development right now.

I admire the courage of people like Liu, though not neccesarily agree entirely with what he said ( i.e. colony stuffs etc). Despite all the minor detail, I regard Liu as one of China's true patriots.

As long as enemies are there, China cannot afford to have two party system as it will create division among society and enemies will exploit the division. How much you know about Liu's Charter 8? Implementation of Liu's Charter 8 will mean the collapse of the PRC within hours whereby China will cease to exist.

That traitor should have been assassinated. What a blunder!

 

[challenger]

The Constitution can be wrong.

What is wrong?

Go read it.

CONSTITUTION OF THE PEOPLE'S REPUBLIC OF CHINA

 

[gpit]

Seems a bit odd. His wife was still allowed to visit him in prison and tell him that he had won the Nobel Peace Prize, and even though she's under house arrest she can still tweet.

Does Liu Xiaobo enjoy any support within Mainland China, even secretly? Come to think of it- if an Indian won the Nobel Peace Prize, I would be proud even if I didn't agree with his views.

Thank you (c0ck)Roach(? ) for your statements, as they reflect profoundly the deep-felt different mentalities between the Indians like you and the Chinese in general.

In your type of Indian’s point of view, as long as a Nobel Prize is bestowed, even it is for a criminal, you will be pound of the criminal regardless how much harm against your country and your people the criminal has dealt.

In most Chinese point of view, this is a criminal who harmed the country’s interest and people’s interest. Period. They don’t quite care about the Prize in general and the “peace” prize in particular, as history demonstrates how stinky the peace prize is, which is always ended up in the hands of warmongers (Obama), trouble makers, and violent criminals (Dalai lama).

This explains precisely why India is such a violent society, a murder capital of the world, and China is relatively peaceful society.

 

[challenger]

Thank you (c0ck)Roach for your statements, as they reflect profoundly the deep-felt different mentalities between the Indians like you and the Chinese in general.

In your type of Indian’s point of view, as long as a Nobel Prize is bestowed, even it is for a criminal, you will be pound of the criminal regardless how much harm against your country and your people the criminal has dealt.

In most Chinese point of view, this is a criminal who harmed the country’s interest and people’s interest. Period. They don’t quite care about the Prize in general and the “peace” prize in particular, as history demonstrates how stinky the peace prize is, which is always ended up in the hands of warmongers (Obama), trouble makers, and violent criminals (Dalai lama).

This explains precisely why India is such a violent society, a murder capital of the world, and China is relatively peaceful society.

As I stated earlier, police have been deployed to protect her, its not house arrest. People are angry. Now, if any CIA agent kills her, US will start blaming the PRC govt and the whole world will join US.

Govt is not stupid.

 

[gpit]

I bet you'll feel a bit different if he won a Nobel for saying the British should come back and recolonizing India for 300 years.

In fact, many Indians love to be ruled by british colonism.

As I said, there is a big different mentality between the two people.

 

[chengdusudise]

i think we should give norway some color see see

 

[gpit]

I am absolutely ashamed of what my fellow-men are undergoing ; And you know how do i know it ? The same way you know it, through our Free Media. And day in and day out i have been reading the reports and also contributing to the NGOs here so that they Poverty can be removed or at least alleviated.

But you know what you should be ashamed of more ? The way the CCP subverts and prevents the truth about its shameful past from coming out. And what's more, those who advocate reforms and dissent are either sent to labour camps or are gunned down by the Military.

I see. So the Golden Temple http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Blue_Star thing is all fake.

At least we do not do that, and wherever any human atrocities like pogroms, riots, Human Rights violations have occured are brought out to the fore by our Media ; Its what we call "Free Speech" here. I bet you would be not be ashamed that such a freedom is not acceded by your Government.

Yeah. you are right. But all these freedom and that freedom still renders whole India the murder capital of the world -- after all no freedoms for the victims of criminals.

 

[gpit]

How can you pin the award on "the west" when it is awarded by a bunch of parliamentarians from Norway?

Because, according to Western democracy, the parliament members are elected by the Western people and they represent the west cultures.

In addition, the Prize itself also represents West ideas.

 

[conworldus]

Because, according to Western democracy, the parliament members are elected by the Western people and they represent the west cultures.

In addition, the Prize itself also represents West ideas.

I know that people in west don't like Chinese in general, but they won't say it so they just say that they don't like the Chinese government instead. No wonder their democratically elected members also don't like the Chinese. They never did like China ever since discovering that China existed.

In the 18th century the West was superior because they were Christians, and the Chinese were secular

In the 19th century the West was superior because they were WHITE, and the Chinese were the Yellow Fever

In the 20th century the West was superior because they were a democracy, and Chinese were a dictatorship

In the 21st century the West is superior because [Fill the blanks]

 

[below_freezing]

If liu event happened about a decade ago, I would have had been against his view. However, as China develops rapidly in economy with massive middle class coming into being across the cities, the time comes nearer and nearer for systemic political reform, without which China's truly rise will be compromised.

By political reform, I don't neccesarily mean that CPC must be ousted. As long as another political party is allowed to become constitutional legal (in real sense, not just on paper), it would form a much needed counter balance to CPC to prevent corruptions and provide fairer social justice, both of which are severely undermining China's economic development right now.

I admire the courage of people like Liu, though not neccesarily agree entirely with what he said ( i.e. colony stuffs etc). Despite all the minor detail, I regard Liu as one of China's true patriots.

You have got to be kidding me. A rabid anti-Chinese racist = patriot. And "political reform" = 2 party system. Who told you that was the definitions? The ultimate opinion that matters in matters like this is not yours, it is people like me, airmaul, chengdu, xukxuk, oct and chinese-dragon; the people that live here. i don't think that you understand what the "middle class" is, in fact you're repeating the same american argument: middle class lacks rights now, needs 2 party "democracy" to get them. who told you that the middle class lacks rights? who told you that we aren't free right now, relative to the rest of the world?

 

[Nomenclature]

If liu event happened about a decade ago, I would have had been against his view. However, as China develops rapidly in economy with massive middle class coming into being across the cities, the time comes nearer and nearer for systemic political reform, without which China's truly rise will be compromised.

By political reform, I don't neccesarily mean that CPC must be ousted. As long as another political party is allowed to become constitutional legal (in real sense, not just on paper), it would form a much needed counter balance to CPC to prevent corruptions and provide fairer social justice, both of which are severely undermining China's economic development right now.

I admire the courage of people like Liu, though not neccesarily agree entirely with what he said ( i.e. colony stuffs etc). Despite all the minor detail, I regard Liu as one of China's true patriots.

Every Chinese member here agrees some form of political reform is necessary, they just don't have your 'enemy of my enemy is my friend' mentality. Both CCP and Liu Xiaobo are philosophically anti-Chinese, but at least CCP doesn't live on foreign government grants like Mr.Liu did.

I failed to see how Liu can be 'one of China's true patriots' when he got yearly grant from the U.S. There are lines one should not cross and be on the payroll of a foreign government automatically disqualify one from being a 'true patriot'.