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Attacks against the Shias of Pakistan are now so frequent and so normal that they are seen in run rate terms.

Last Friday, after 57 Shias were murdered by two suicide bombers near Peshawar, the police told a New York Times reporter that “it’s like Ricky Ponting playing cricket.”

There has been an attack by the Taliban every day for the past five months in the frontier province, the report said. The militants have also gone after the army and the government, but local Shias remain a special target.

In Balochistan, Shias have been hunted down with such frequency that their killing does not even make it to the front pages. I have been writing columns in Pakistani papers for years, and I have noticed the casual manner in which these deaths are reported. Often, they involve the stopping of buses and the execution one after the other of all Shia passengers. These Baloch Shias are easy to identify because they are Hazaras, a community with Mongol ancestry.

In January, more than 120 of them were killed after a suicide bomber detonated himself in a snooker hall in Quetta. Cruelly, a bomb was then set off in an ambulance to also go after the rescuers.

In Pakistan’s largest city Karachi, a bomb killed 48 Shias in March. The targeting of the community is possible because it has separate mosques and unique religious processions. There is also segregation of Shias in Pakistani cities, just as Muslims live apart in India, and this has always been so.

For a few years now, however, the demand has been that the Shias be apostatised. Mohd Fayyaz, a candidate in this year’s election from Karachi told the BBC: “We don’t want to murder Shias. We want them to be declared non-Muslim in the National Assembly. That is what we’re working towards.”

Why are the Shias of Pakistan so hated? One reason has to do with Pakistan’s use of militias against India and in Afghanistan. The Lashkar-e-Taiba is part of the Ahl-e-Hadith, a group Fayyaz is part of. In Balochistan and southern Punjab the Shia killers are from the Lashkar-e-Jhangvi, drawn from the same cadre as the Jaish-e-Mohammad.

The promotion of these groups by the State has meant that their ideology has also come to be seen as acceptable. And so the army and ISI are to blame.

The other reason, the main one, is actually the fault of politicians. Pakistani law emphasises religious and sectarian division. This can be directly attributed to Jinnah’s politics, and the actions of his lieutenants.

Pakistan’s constitution discriminates against Hindus, Sikhs and Christians, who are banned from holding high office. In the 1960s, President Ayub Khan wrote the law that barred non-Muslims from becoming president.

After him, in the 1970s, Zulfikar Ali Bhutto banned non-Muslims from becoming prime minister. Bhutto also constitutionally apostatised the Ahmedis, who are forbidden religious freedom.

And then, under President Zia-ul-Haq, came the turn of the Shias. This was done in 1980 through altering the penal code. A law was introduced that criminalised anything said against ‘any of the righteous caliphs (Khulafa-e-Rashideen) or companions (Sahaaba) of the Holy Prophet description for a term which may extend to three years, or with fine, or with both’.

Now the Shia belief is that the only rightful successor to the prophet was his son-in-law Ali. They consider the other caliphs not righteous, as the law demands they do, but as usurpers. And so the introduction of this law made the practise of Shia doctrine a crime.

When the state itself discriminates in this manner, it is not surprising that society has gone the way it has. The constant emphasis on inclusion, which India’s founding fathers wisely stressed, has no parallel in Pakistan.

The ideological state insists on purity, and it should not surprise us that the state in Pakistan has begun to eat its own. The remarkable thing is that Jinnah, himself a Shia, did not know this and believed, or at least maintained, that Pakistan would be a pluralist society despite its founding along communal lines.

Today it is no longer accepted in Pakistan that he even thought this. A famous speech he made four days before Partition assuring all Pakistanis equality is lost and there is no audio record of it.

Six months after Jinnah’s death, his picked successors took the logic of Partition ahead and declared that ‘sovereignty over the entire universe belongs to Allah Almighty alone’.

They promised democracy, freedom, equality, tolerance and social justice, but ‘as enunciated by Islam’. Minorities were given ‘adequate provision’ to ‘freely profess and practise their religions’. Zia arbitrarily removed the word ‘freely’ and its status in the constitution is now uncertain.

Today, Pakistan is the most violent place on earth and the victims of the terrorist violence in it are Muslims. The violence has become normalised and its levels and frequency no longer draw out any change in thinking, or any real alarm, in the government, civil society or the media.

Pakistanis often write that despite the predictions of doom, their nation is surviving. They are wrong to anticipate it as a big event. The collapse of the Pakistani state is happening not with a bang, unless it is the bang of the suicide bomber. It is coming with a slow, boring repetition.

No country for Shias - Hindustan Times
 
PA is making a mistake,once they become completely desperate shia armed groups may begin to emerge for self defense and revenge as they take things into their own hands and then another round of chaos will begin.
 
PA is making a mistake,once they become completely desperate shia armed groups may begin to emerge for self defense and revenge as they take things into their own hands and then another round of chaos will begin.

That's not possible,isi will not allow ammunition to shia groups in such large amounts.
 
That's not possible,isi will not allow ammunition to shia groups in such large amounts.

In pakistan guns are cheaper than probably food.Ammo and kalashnikovs are dirt cheap.This is another mistake in making for pak establishment,they are appeasing talibs by throwing shias to the wolves..but once this escalates to full scale secatrian war It will be even more nightmare for PAK which is already stretched by TTP and BLA.
 
Historically, any country made for a specific religion/race/ethnicity, built by the hatred for the "other" goes through this phase where the hatred gets so deep that the country really needs to take a step back and re-evaluate itself. This is not just Pakistan, many countries have historically gone through this phase...

Even the mighty USA went through a long and bloody civil war when racism/slavery/hatred against blacks was becoming unbearable in the 1960s.

Lets see how this plays out in the end...
 
We may have our faults but One good thing is we never tolerated this type of sectarian shia-sunni **** in our country.
 
I would like to see some comments from Pakistani members on this thread.
 
Ask a common pakistani and he would say that its all america's fault, the same pakistani (many of them) would never allow his offspring to marry a shiite.

Two reasons;

state of pakistan is very weak, cannot prevent anything.

priorities of concerned authorities are somewhere else. military wants proxies in afghanistan to succeed and dont care what their affiliate groups do in pakistan.

politicians want votes and power.

pakistan's enemies have a ball.
 
Historically, any country made for a specific religion/race/ethnicity, built by the hatred for the "other" goes through this phase where the hatred gets so deep that the country really needs to take a step back and re-evaluate itself. This is not just Pakistan, many countries have historically gone through this phase...

Even the mighty USA went through a long and bloody civil war when racism/slavery/hatred against blacks was becoming unbearable in the 1960s.

Lets see how this plays out in the end...

A very good example is India. The Hindu leaders did not agree to stay united and ensured that the Muslims opted out. For reference please read Jaswant Singh's The Jinnah. This Hindu attitude has caused slaughter of millions in SA. Peace, progress and happiness of the masses just remain in rhetoric of politicians.
 
A very good example is India. The Hindu leaders did not agree to stay united and ensured that the Muslims opted out. For reference please read Jaswant Singh's The Jinnah. This Hindu attitude has caused slaughter of millions in SA. Peace, progress and happiness of the masses just remain in rhetoric of politicians.

That explains why, only country in SA left with peace, progress and happiness is India. For the rest, well, you know......
 
I would like to see some comments from Pakistani members on this thread.

* Its NOT a targeted killing campaign being carried out by the Pakistani state

* Its NOT a targeted killing campaign being carried out by the Pakistani Military

* Its NOT a targeted killing campaign being carried out by the Pakistani Civilians

* Its NOT a targeted killing campaign being carried out by the Pakistani Police and law enforcement

* Its NOT a targeted killing campaign being carried out by the Pakistani Intelligence community

* Its NOT a targeted killing campaign being carried out by the Pakistani Sunnis or other sects

Pakistani Shias have more rights in Pakistan being the 2nd most populated Shia country on planet earth than many other Muslim nations. Our current President Asif Ali Zardari is from a Shia family. Zulfiqar ali bhutto was a Shia, 5 of Pakistani generals were Shia, current Vice Chief of Air Staff is a Shia, they have held important offices in the past and today.


This killing campaign is being carried out by a Few Group of Terrorists who either have funding from India or Middle east. They are not doing it because they want to kill as many shias as they can, but because their handlers and financiers want a civil war in Pakistan, which won't happen.

The most dangerous aspect in this is that the current govt lead by Nawaz Sharif is in bed with a host of banned terrorist outfits,whom they have used,time and again to further their political goals. If the state turns a Nelsons Eye from this, things will go the wrong way.
 
A very good example is India. The Hindu leaders did not agree to stay united and ensured that the Muslims opted out. For reference please read Jaswant Singh's The Jinnah. This Hindu attitude has caused slaughter of millions in SA. Peace, progress and happiness of the masses just remain in rhetoric of politicians.

Muslims asked for a separate country in case of India, actually not "asked" but "demanded". Violently demanded, Direct Action Day ring any bells?

Anyways, its not our fault or business that Muslims cant stand each other in other parts of South Asia, whether its the Bengali vs Punjabi factor that led to the genocide of millions in 1971, rawamy vs bnp/jamaat in bd, or the Shia vs Sunni factor which is leading to the genocide of many today in Pakistan. None of these can be attributed to the Hindu attitude as you put it.

We Indians have come to terms with partition, and are fully sure and clear about what our country stands for...
 
* Its NOT a targeted killing campaign being carried out by the Pakistani Civilians

Yeah, it is. That is what happens when you allow civilian armies....

* Its NOT a targeted killing campaign being carried out by the Pakistani Sunnis or other sects

Yeah it is, by a segment of them.......



This killing campaign is being carried out by a Few Group of Terrorists who either have funding from India or Middle east. They are not doing it because they want to kill as many shias as they can, but because their handlers and financiers want a civil war in Pakistan, which won't happen.


Ya.....Indians will support Sunni extremists who are also supported by some in the ME.....and the Pakistani government is also in cahoots with the Indian & ME troublemakers.......:hitwall:

How you can still walk around & function normally with all this stuff in your head boggles the mind......



The most dangerous aspect in this is that the current govt lead by Nawaz Sharif is in bed with a host of banned terrorist outfits
,whom they have used,time and again to further their political goals. If the state turns a Nelsons Eye from this, things will go the wrong way.
 
I have given up on Pakistan long, long time back. The recent incidents do not surprise me. It was expected all along.

Pakistan is no country for humans.
 

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