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It's now beyond the shadow of a doubt that the US is investing in a long-term strategic partnership with India, and has identified China’s growing military assertiveness as a threat. Since the US and India are not treaty allies, Democratic Virginia Senator Mark Warner and Republican Senate Majority Whip John Cornyn have introduced legislation in the Senate to institutionalise the US-India security partnership.

"The US-India Defense Technology and Partnership bill bestows upon India the status it deserves as a partner in promoting security in Asia and around the world," said Senator Warner on Tuesday after introducing the bill in the Senate.

The legislation seeks to elevate India to the same status as America’s allies in the North Atlantic Treaty Organisation, as well as its other major treaty partners like Japan, Australia, New Zealand and Israel, for the purpose of arms-sales notifications. Both China and Pakistan are likely to sit up and take note of the move as many countries have sought and been denied this status.

"As an important partner with a flourishing economy, India has huge potential as a market for American defense manufacturers," noted Senator Warner.

The US-India Defense Technology and Partnership Act underlines the dramatic change in today’s political environment. Prime Minister Narendra Modi who is likely to address a joint session of the US Congress in June will further cement bilateral defense ties during his visit to Washington. The Modi government knows it cannot aggressively pursue military modernisation without access to advanced US weaponry and technology. Of course, the prime minister has his work cut out: he has to sell the pact to New Delhi's intractable defense establishment, people who struggled through the era of harsh US sanctions after Vajpayee's government conducted the 1998 nuclear tests.

In a telling sign of a bolder strategic engagement between Washington and New Delhi, the US may be willing to examine the sale or joint production of missile shield systems to help New Delhi guard against nuclear threats. US Secretary of Defense Ashton Carter, who has vigorously pushed for an effective defense partnership over the past eight years, first mooted this idea in 2012. But without key legislation in place, the Americans have had to watch from the sidelines while New Delhi approved the procurement of Russian S-400 systems. Last year, India become the second foreign buyer of the advanced Russian surface-to-air ballistic missile defense system after China.

According to defense analysts, the US is hoping to sell India the Patriot Advanced Capability (PAC)-3 missile defense system but India is more interested in building its own systems than buying some from the US. The ‘hit-to-kill’ American PAC-3 missile is the world’s most advanced and can destroy enemy-fired tactical ballistic missiles carrying weapons of mass destruction, advanced cruise missiles and aircraft. During Operation Iraqi Freedom, a mix of PAC-3 missile interceptors and PAC-2 air defense missiles destroyed a series of short-range ballistic missiles fired by Iraq.

Pakistan and China will obviously follow any US-India anti-missile cooperation with great interest, as cooperation in this area is not only an indication of their shared strategic interests, but also has implications for India which is developing its own indigenous Ballistic Missile Defence (BMD) system to defend against both Pakistani and Chinese missiles. India started its own BMD programme in 1995.

The US-India Business Council (USIBC) hailed Senator Warner and Coryn’s leadership in introducing this bill in the Senate. Republican Congressman George Holding from North Carolina introduced similar legislation in the House of Representatives in March.

"The commercial and security imperatives for a robust defense partnership between the US and India could not be clearer. Defense trade has risen from some $300 million to over $14 billion over the last 10 years and there is every reason to expect it to rise further," said USIBC President Mukesh Aghi.

The Indian military is considering purchasing major weapons systems from American companies. The countries are also holding talks on the supply of F-16 and F/A-18 fighter jets for the Indian Air Force.

The Modi government has pursued three "foundational defense agreements" — the Logistic Exchange Memorandum of Agreement (LEMA), the Communication and Information Security Memorandum (CISMOA) and the Basic Exchange and Cooperation Agreement (BECA). The previous UPA government opposed these three agreements as they argued that they would undermine India’s policy of nonalignment. The logistics agreement will allow both countries to access each other’s supplies, spare parts, and services from military bases and ports, making it easier to coordinate their military activities.

The Modi government has asked the United States to modify the agreements so that India’s security and sovereignty are not compromised.
http://www.defencenews.in/article/N...will-be-closely-watched-by-Pak-and-China-5030
 
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One of two things are gonna happen...

a) India falls under US influence completely, much like Pakistan did in the past, through the guise of security.

b) India takes everything the US has to offer, and gives the US essentially nothing back, much like the nuclear deal.

It's up to India to decide which route it wants to take.
 
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One of two things are gonna happen...

a) India falls under US influence completely, much like Pakistan did in the past, through the guise of security.

b) India takes everything the US has to offer, and gives the US essentially nothing back, much like the nuclear deal.

It's up to India to decide which route it wants to take.
B is better
 
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One of two things are gonna happen...

a) India falls under US influence completely, much like Pakistan did in the past, through the guise of security.

b) India takes everything the US has to offer, and gives the US essentially nothing back, much like the nuclear deal.

It's up to India to decide which route it wants to take.
Reply to both points:
a) India is a sovereign country having independent foreign policy. e.g. during sanctions on Iran, India maintained its relation with Iran. So obviously India cannot fall under US influence completely.
b) The nuclear deal was struck in the Nuclear Liability clause which has nothing to do with USA. Now India has rectified Nuclear Liability bill so it can now do business with any nuclear state.
Moreover now India has lot to give to USA as it can provide logistical support in Indian Ocean to US ships.
 
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One of two things are gonna happen...

a) India falls under US influence completely, much like Pakistan did in the past, through the guise of security.

b) India takes everything the US has to offer, and gives the US essentially nothing back, much like the nuclear deal.

It's up to India to decide which route it wants to take.
India and US are both old enough to understand how this will work out. You make it a binary game. You presume either of us (India or the US) to be run by fools and your post implies questionable intelligence on our part.

India is far too large a country - geographically, demographically, economically (growing) to be an ally of US in the sense of Pakistan or UK. Our policy makers far too calculative to be run on emotions or statements unlike our neighbours.

US is far too smart a country to 'offer' things without taking something else in return which aids them.

US will offer what it can without compromising its security and technological lead while taking what it deems fit in return. For example, in return for the nuke deal, India cancelled the IPI pipeline and also informally assured them contracts worth many tens of billions of dollars for their industry upfront a tens of billions of dollars in maintenance costs.

There will be a third option - of the kind I wrote above. We will work together on some issues and against each other on some issues. Its the new normal.
 
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http://m.rediff.com/news/report/new-bill-in-us-congress-to-ease-arms-sales-to-india/20160511.htm
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New bill in US Congress to ease arms sales to India
May 11, 2016 13:49 IST



In a powerful signal to New Delhi that the United States is a reliable defence partner, Senators Mark Warner and John Cornyn introduced US-India Defense Technology and Partnership Act in Senate.
Aziz Haniffa/Rediff.com reports from Washington, DC.



IMAGE: An F-16 fighter from the US Air Force 510th Fighter Squadron takes off from Amari air base. Photograph: Ints Kalnins/Reuters
US Senator Mark Warner, Virginia Democrat, co-chair of the Senate India Caucus has called on the Obama administration to put India on par with America's closest defence partners, including North Atlantic Treaty Organisation allies and Israel, for the purpose of Congressional defecse sales notifications.

Warner, co-opting the Republican co-chair of the India Caucus, Senator John Cornyn, Texas Republican, introduced the US-India Defence Technology and Partnership Act, S-2901, which institutionalises the US government's focus on the US-India security relationship, while sending a powerful signal to New Delhi that the US is a reliable and dependable defence partner.

For the US, it encourages the executive branch to: Ddesignate an official to focus on US-India defence cooperation, facilitate the transfer of defence technology, maintain a special office in the Pentagon dedicated exclusively to the US-India Defence Technology and Trade Initiative, enhance India's military capabilities in the context of combined military planning, and promote co-production/co-development opportunities.

For India, it encourages the government to authorise combined military planning with the US for missions of mutual interest such as humanitarian assistance and disaster relief, counter piracy, and maritime domain awareness.

The bill also puts India on par with America's closest defence partners, including NATO members and Israel, for the purpose of congressional defense sales notifications.

Warner, who has emerged as India's champion on Capitol Hill, argued that his legislation was a 'no-brainer,' saying, 'As an important partner with a flourishing economy, India has huge potential as a market for American defense manufacturers, which support millions of American jobs.'

'This bill supports strengthening our bilateral relationship, particularly in defence, and bestows upon India the status it deserves as a partner in promoting security in Asia and around the world,' the Senator added.

In March, Warner voted for a resolution aimed at blocking the Obama administration's decision to sell 8 F-16 fighter jets to Pakistan, but Cornyn voted against it, saying, he did so in America's 'national interests.'

Citing a provision in the 1976 Arms Export Control Act, Senator Rand Paul, Kentucky Republican had attempted to win Senate approval of his Resolution of Disapproval on the sale.

"I voted with Senator Paul -- not 'with' Senator Paul specifically -- because of my grave concerns about Pakistan's behaviour,' Warner explained after the vote.


However, the Senate voted overwhelmingly by 71-24 to table Senator Paul's Resolution of Disapproval, pushing it to the backburner, which essentially gave the administration the green light to go ahead with the sale.

Last week, the Obama administration in an about-face, said if Pakistan wanted the planes, they would have to pay for it and it would not be subsidised by US taxpayers.

When the Paul bill was being debated, Warner made a most passionate appeal on the Senate floor in support of this resolution.

In his intervention, Warner warned, 'If we move forward with these sales without putting some markers down, I think we potentially not only do damage to holding Pakistan's feet to the fire in terms of the threat of terrorists in Afghanistan and elsewhere in the region, but also potentially could do damage to one of the most important relationships our country has, and that is the strategic relationship between the US and India.'

This relationship has been one of enormous growing importance. India has been a valuable and strategic partner of the United States and is a tremendous ally in promoting global peace and security,' the Senator added.

'That has not always been the case. Relations between our two nations have been steadily improving over the past decade, ranging from approvals of the civilian nuclear agreement to frequent coordination between our militaries and at this point, over $100 billion in bilateral trade,' Warner said.

'Nowhere is the potential for our strategic relationship greater than in our bilateral defence relationship, which again, has seen great progress over the last decade,' the Senator noted, adding, 'Last year our two nations signed the framework that will advance military-to-military exchanges.'

'We're also proceeding with joint development of defence technology which seeks to increase defence sales and create a cooperative technology and industrial relationship that can promote both the capability in the United States and in India,' he said.

'As recently as January of this year,' Warner said, 'Pakistan-based terrorists claimed responsibility for an attack against an Indian military base at Pathankot. It resulted in the killing of Indian military forces and a great tragedy.'

Last month, speaking at an Atlantic Council conference, Warner pointed out, 'One of the great assets that India has is its enormous intellectual content, enormous intellectual developmental content, and some of the things we need to be working on are unmanned systems, for example, the enormous opportunities for us to jointly partner and develop -- not simply sell our equipment to India -- but actually partner and develop in areas such as drones, areas like advanced aircraft and even areas around certain missile systems, where we can have a win-win.'

In such a context, the Senator felt, 'India can build its national capacity around the prime minister's 'Make in India', where we can provide the commercial capital assets, and this kind of joint collaboration and cooperation really is an area which offers great potential.'
 
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One of two things are gonna happen...

a) India falls under US influence completely, much like Pakistan did in the past, through the guise of security.

b) India takes everything the US has to offer, and gives the US essentially nothing back, much like the nuclear deal.

It's up to India to decide which route it wants to take.

You do understand A is not implementable. India is a big country with a 1.3 billion population. I doubt how US can try to influence a vibrant democracy like India where every politician who supports US openly is looked upon with suspicion. Courtesy Bhopal disaster, 1971 war support to Pakistan.

B part is not sustainable for a long term. India has to give something back. Like contracts. Joint intelligence and trailing of Chinese assets. However US wont go the level of helping India to defeat Pakistan. It cant risk it.
 
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One of two things are gonna happen...

a) India falls under US influence completely, much like Pakistan did in the past, through the guise of security.

b) India takes everything the US has to offer, and gives the US essentially nothing back, much like the nuclear deal.

It's up to India to decide which route it wants to take.

c) India takes 'almost' everything the US has to offer, and both countries will cooperate in many international issues, particularly China.
 
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One of two things are gonna happen...

a) India falls under US influence completely, much like Pakistan did in the past, through the guise of security.

b) India takes everything the US has to offer, and gives the US essentially nothing back, much like the nuclear deal.

It's up to India to decide which route it wants to take.

It would be "a)" until BJP government holds full majority.

"b)" is incorrect. India did make the following concessions as part of the nuclear deal

1) Place nuclear plants under IAEA watch

2) Agree to sign CTBT & FMCT

3) Agree to waive the liability of the supplier
 
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Reply to both points:
a) India is a sovereign country having independent foreign policy. e.g. during sanctions on Iran, India maintained its relation with Iran. So obviously India cannot fall under US influence completely.
b) The nuclear deal was struck in the Nuclear Liability clause which has nothing to do with USA. Now India has rectified Nuclear Liability bill so it can now do business with any nuclear state.
Moreover now India has lot to give to USA as it can provide logistical support in Indian Ocean to US ships.

Answer to point (a) from the history: IPI gas pipe line.
Rest all is accepted
 
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you have to understand India and US are two baniyas (businessmen) who have a lot of good deals to offer to each other and that's the only reason you see both of them acting like two long lost brothers... the best part is both of them know very well that the other one is just trying to suck as much as they can from each other.
 
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One of two things are gonna happen...

a) India falls under US influence completely, much like Pakistan did in the past, through the guise of security.

b) India takes everything the US has to offer, and gives the US essentially nothing back, much like the nuclear deal.

It's up to India to decide which route it wants to take.
Or

C) India and US work together when it is in their mutual self interest to do so and negotiate, barter and disagree when their interests do not align like any other two normal sane countries.
 
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