New Missile Systems for JF-17 Thunder

[Thorough Pro]

and how practical or effective are those solutions? and before you answer that are they even operational?

That's because we develop solutions instead of using off the shelf solutions .

 

[acetophenol]

Good going, this fighter development has progressed much better then Tejas which keeps on developing

Isn't this a clever psychological move to get all the thanks from Pak posters??? (j/k)


On-topic bro, even though the both the aircraft falls under the same category, the development programs are different. And its not to be compared, atleast not in this thread.

how come india make successful helis but not planes... i bet palnes are easier to manufactured....

Both are different bro, each piece of engineering is difficult and challenging in its own ways.

 

[FunkyGen]

I don't taint my views with one sided nationalistic rose covered glasses. Tanks and jets are two different things, and most of what you said doesn't change anything, because it's more banter than factual.

The Arjun has nothing to do with the Tejas.

Why do Pakistanis can the JF-17 indigenous, when the engine is Russian, the design is Chinese, and 55% of the aircraft is manufactured in China, using Chinese technology. The same logic applies.

I have never said or even implied that ours is an indigenous effort. It is of course but a joint venture. As far as the Arjun goes we came to know about it's 70 % figure through a report from authorities that knew about it. We'll see when a report is released about Tejas so till then hold your horses.
Also indians are known to have procured their laser guided munitions from Israelis. They also have taken some tot from them but overall they are still dependent on various sources for their defence needs. We at least have the ability to produce these weapons at home.

Why do Pakistanis can the JF-17 indigenous, when the engine is Russian, the design is Chinese, and 55% of the aircraft is manufactured in China, using Chinese technology.

Tejas
engine:US
design:french
manufacturing: india but what % we don't know

 

[Rangila]

According to well placed sources, a new AESA radar is under development in China right now for planned Block-III configuration of Thunder fighter jet. Once completed, a new wave of Chinese missile integration with Thunder would be seen. This would possibly include new generation WVR and BVR weapons.

So right now JF-17 does not have such capability?

 

[Glitcher]

According to well placed sources, a new AESA radar is under development in China right now for planned Block-III configuration of Thunder fighter jet. Once completed, a new wave of Chinese missile integration with Thunder would be seen. This would possibly include new generation WVR and BVR weapons.

So right now JF-17 does not have such capability?

Brother which capabilities are you talking about so i can clear your thoughts JFT has BVR capability but. After AESA radar it will be enhanced means longer range missiles etc

 

[shah1398]

This assertion is further endorsed by the fact that earlier, C-803 anti-ship cruise missile have also been integrated onto Thunders. It looks like, PAF/PN would deploy JF-17 Thunder in air sea battle in split roles. PAF escorting PN fighters carrying anti-ship payloads.

Its time PN also gets a much potent aerial attack capability. I hope they raise at least 3 squadrons of Thunders deploying them in Karachi, Pasni and Gawadar.

 

[acetophenol]

I have never said or even implied that ours is an indigenous effort. It is of course but a joint venture. As far as the Arjun goes we came to know about it's 70 % figure through a report from authorities that knew about it. We'll see when a report is released about Tejas so till then hold your horses.
Also indians are known to have procured their laser guided munitions from Israelis. They also have taken some tot from them but overall they are still dependent on various sources for their defence needs. We at least have the ability to produce these weapons at home.

Tejas
engine:US
design:french
manufacturing: india but what % we don't know

FYI, Even though at the end we had to use a foreign engine, our efforts have given us a After burning turbofan engine that can produce 80Kn thrust. And the design of LCA Tejas is in no way French, its very much Indian. Even though we import a lot, we produce several systems at home too, some through ToT and some through indigenous efforts,some of them Pakistan is yet to produce.

There are several other threads in which you will get info about the above said.

 

[hunter_hunted]

Only spaceships are easier to manufacture. just ask Modi ji.

Hahahaha you naughty naughty boy

 

[[Bregs]]

Isn't this a clever psychological move to get all the thanks from Pak posters??? (j/k)


On-topic bro, even though the both the aircraft falls under the same category, the development programs are different. And its not to be compared, atleast not in this thread.



Both are different bro, each piece of engineering is difficult and challenging in its own ways.

you will be surprised bro my 99% thanks are from Pakistan members , although most of them are in Pakistan tourism thread

 

[sathya]

and how practical or effective are those solutions? and before you answer that are they even operational?

I neither belittle thunder nor praise tejas.
I just said both use different approach ..

Number of tejas produced at the end of another 10 years from now will be higher than thunder ...
So I don't worry about whatever you throw at tejas now..

Thunder benefits almost all from Chinese R&D , can you quote any improvements thunder has had from Pakistan ?
All that you can say is, you have passed on the inputs to china ?..

For Pakistan thunder satisfies what it desires , for India tejas will satisfy.
So no one got anything to lose.

 

[That Guy]

I have never said or even implied that ours is an indigenous effort. It is of course but a joint venture. As far as the Arjun goes we came to know about it's 70 % figure through a report from authorities that knew about it. We'll see when a report is released about Tejas so till then hold your horses.
Also indians are known to have procured their laser guided munitions from Israelis. They also have taken some tot from them but overall they are still dependent on various sources for their defence needs. We at least have the ability to produce these weapons at home.

Nothing you mentioned here actually addresses my points. In fact, you've gone even deeper into your argument, which is already illogical. The Arjun has nothing to do with the Tejas program, so the comparison is flawed. Next, The thunder can be considered partially indigenous, as many of it's components are Pakistan, and 42% of it is manufactured in Pakistan.

It doesn't matter where the weapons come from, we're talking about the fighter itself, again, this is a flawed argument.

Tejas
engine:US
design:french
manufacturing: india but what % we don't know

Which proves nothing. The China's J-20 fighter uses a Russian engine (albeit for testing purposes), but that does not mean that the fighter is Russian. The design is Indian, they may have gotten some assistance from France, but it is very much an Indian design. The manufacturing is completely done in India (other than, maybe the engines), don't speculate if you don't know.

First of all the project is always mentioned as a joint venture between both countries. Secondly this thread is about weaponary on the JF -17, you are supposed to be stopping detraction of topics if I remember.
Also with the amount of TOT and building experience the Indians have gotten from different platforms, the Tejas should have been much easier to build. Considering the engine, radar, electronic systems are all foreign based it is surprising they have not gotten further faster.

I bet to differ. The JF-17 is usually referred to as indigenous, go on any Pakistani media center and ask them; hell, even the air force refers to it as indigenous; Why shouldn't they? The thunder does have a number of Pakistani components, and Pakistan owns 45% of the air frame. Joint venture doesn't automatically negate the indigenous designation.

The Tejas is India's fighter real attempt at building a fighter. Just because you have the parts, doesn't mean you know how to put them together. Putting two different technologies together requires a lot of effort, and often requires some sort of middle man, which is where India's engineers come in. India had to develop brand new tech to fit these many components together, so give credit where it's due.

ToT and basic manufacturing/assembling components don't equate to having the proper knowledge to build a fighter.

 

[tahir195]

Its time PN also gets a much potent aerial attack capability. I hope they raise at least 3 squadrons of Thunders deploying them in Karachi, Pasni and Gawadar.

thunder is good but i think J11D or J16 is better option

 

[shah1398]

thunder is good but i think J11D or J16 is better option

Thunder has already got its anti ship missile which implies it is also going to serve PN IN SHA ALLAH.Regarding J11D or J-16 for PN, we wud luv to have them but i would just say...
"Hazaro khwahishain aisi k har khwahish pay dum niklay"
Hope U got my point

 

[Paksanity]

Why J-11, J-16, SU -3x series will never ever ever be in Pakistan's colors? See operating cost versus operational capability below. Why Pakistan with its limited budget shoot in its foot by buying such white elephants when you can have similar or better capability with other fighters at lower operating cost. Operating cost is the key word here. (take SU family as a reference.

 

[salarsikander]

Hi,

The JF 17 is up and flying---and no one is saying that it is an indigenous program.

KhanSahib,

And that's what matters, at the end of the day when when terrorist and anarchists die, no one asks if the bullets were foreign-made or local. The stuff should be, fit for purpose.