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Navy's submarine rescue plan leaks: CAG | StratPost

Saturday, August 21, 2010
By Saurabh Joshi

The Comptroller and Auditor General (CAG) of India has criticized the implementation of the Indian Navy’s plan for enabling its submarines with facilities to couple with Deep Submergence Rescue Vessels (DSRV) and Submarine Rescue Chamber (SRC) of the United States Navy (USN), which has resulted in an expenditure of USD 744,343.

The CAG said in its report that not only were many of the 16 Indian submarines at the end of three-fourths of their life, but that only seven of them were actually operational, with nine undergoing repairs and refit. Two of the submarines, INS (Indian Naval Ship) Vela and INS Vagli, both Foxtrot-class, are due to be decommissioned this year and next year.

The report reads, “75 per cent submarines in the IN fleet have already completed three fourths of their estimated operational life. In fact the IN envisaged the project without clearly identifying deadlines for completing the project. It is pertinent to mention that only 7 out of 16 submarines in IN are operational and 9 submarines are under refit/repair as of October 2009. As of November 2009, Padeyes fitment has been completed in 11 out of 16 submarines out of which only 4 SSK (Diesel Electric Attack) submarines have been certified by USN for mating with US DSRV for a period of three years effective from 20 December 2007 and of whichat least 2 are presently under refit. Two of the serving Foxtrot submarines, on which Padeyes were fitted, INS Vela and INS Vagli, would be de-commissioned in 2010 and 2011 respectively”

The CAG report has also pointed out that any actual submarine rescue would depend on the presence of a USN DSRV, which would take at least 72 hours to get to station from its nearest base, and for the services of which, an agreement was not even in place. “The DSRV is to perform rescue operations on submerged or disabled submarines. It will remain stationed with the US Navy and in the event of an accident will be transported to the nearest seaport or airport, then to a mother ship to reach the rescue site. The nominal response time is 72 hours from the time the DSRV is lifted from its location to reach the rescue site and with the capability of rescuing up to a depth of 610 meters. Such time and depth restrictions further dilutes the effectiveness of a rescue facility which in any case is nowhere close to completion,” says the report.

The Ministry of Defense attributed the delays to ‘imposition of sanctions, amendment of LOA (Letter of Offer and Acceptance) in view of change in the scope of work, interpretation of contract differently by USN and other aspects concerning technology and operational incompatibility issues between IN and USN’.

The project is yet to be fully operationalized in spite of having been envisaged in 1997. “While the initial work of fitting of Padeyes and certification of IN submarines for mating with USN, DSRV was no where close to completion, a separate agreement with USN to enable DSRV to undertake rescue operations and further recertification of submarines is yet to be concluded,” says the report.
 
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Will this CAG shut the fu$k up, he is leaking out more strategic information in the name of auditing.

Can't he disclose this info only to the government? How does media get hold of CAG information?
 
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Will this CAG shut the fu$k up, he is leaking out more strategic information in the name of auditing.

Can't he disclose this info only to the government? How does media get hold of CAG information?

:victory: hahahaha!its ok dude! take it easy!
 
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thanks to the CAG, hopefully the info can be cross-checked by people & sources in hindustan in order to ensure it isnt mis-information :):)
 
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thanks to the CAG, hopefully the info can be cross-checked by people in hindustan in order to ensure it isnt mis-information :):)

This is Indian CAG not Zardari :-)):):)), you can take his findings to the bank. Your ISI must be relieved now.
 
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Its already a Known fact, our submarines are reaching retirement ages, And we are replacing them with Akula and Nerpa and 6 INS Arihant, 6 Scorpene , another 6 under Project 75B.... And We are also Building Indigenous Diesel Electric submarine.... Isnt that enough, and it will be ready well within 2020.... Thats more than enough to take out anything and everything
 
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Its already a Known fact, our submarines are reaching retirement ages, And we are replacing them with Akula and Nerpa and 6 INS Arihant, 6 Scorpene , another 6 under Project 75B.... And We are also Building Indigenous Diesel Electric submarine.... Isnt that enough, and it will be ready well within 2020.... Thats more than enough to take out anything and everything

Whatever CAG says has more weight. Even the military says CAG reports should not be publicized. And its just not submarines, other CAG reports have also found its way into the media.

I agree with the Indian military, CAG reports pertaining to strategic information should be made available only to the relevant people while media should not be given access.
 
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Its already a Known fact, our submarines are reaching retirement ages, And we are replacing them with Akula and Nerpa and 6 INS Arihant, 6 Scorpene , another 6 under Project 75B.... And We are also Building Indigenous Diesel Electric submarine.... Isnt that enough, and it will be ready well within 2020.... Thats more than enough to take out anything and everything

Are you sure that in 2020 there will be the same plans???:undecided:
 
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This is Indian CAG not Zardari :-)):):)), you can take his findings to the bank. Your ISI must be relieved now.

i'm sure the ISI has known about this before the exposé was even revealed to public :)
 
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This is the present fleet strength , Nothing wrong with the CAG report but several subs that were under refit have infact been handed over to the navy and some of the newer subs have been delivered for Mid life upg

Current Fleet
(PRESENTLY 15)

Class Name Pennant No. Commission Date Status

Foxtrot class INS Vagli S42 August 10, 1974 To decommission 2011[1]

Shishumar (Type 209) Class INS Shishumar S44 September 22, 1986, Refit complete, at Sea
INS Shankush S45 November 20, 1986 , Refit Complete, in Sea
INS Shalki S46 February 7, 1992 Under Refit at Mazgoan Docks
INS Shankul S47 May 28, 1994 Refit Complete, in Sea

Sindhughosh (Kilo) Class INS Sindhughosh S55 April 30, 1986 Refit completed , in Sea
INS Sindhudhvaj S56 June 12, 1987, Refit completed, in Sea
INS Sindhuraj S57 October 20, 1987, Refit completed, in Sea
INS Sindhuvir S58 August 26, 1988, Refit completed, in Sea
INS Sindhuratna S59 December 22, 1988, Refit completed, in Sea
INS Sindhukesari S60 February 16, 1989, Refit completed, in Sea
INS Sindhukirti S61 January 4, 1990, Undergoing Refit at Mazgoan Docks
INS Sindhuvijay S62 March 18, 1991, Refit completed, in Sea
INS Sindhurakshak S63 December 24, 1997, Delivered to Russia for Refit
INS Sindhushastra S65 July 19, 2000, Refit to start in year 2013

Akula II Class Nerpa/INS Chakra , 2010, Handed over to Indian Navy ,To be formally inducted as INS Chakra in October
INS ?? 2011

Arihant Class INS Arihant S73 2012 Launched on 26 July 2009[2]
ATV-2 2011 Being built by the Ship Building Center, Vishakhapatnam
ATV-3 2012 Under construction

Scorpene Class (Project 75) Scorpene-1 2012 Under construction
Scorpene-2 2013
Scorpene-3 2014
Scorpene-4 2015
Scorpene-5 2016
Scorpene-6 2017
Construction of Scorpene Class delayed due to teething problems at Mazgaon Docks , Delivery to begin in 2015 , With all 6 Subs being delivered by 2018
 
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6 Kilo class Submarines are to be upgraded to launch Klub S Cruise missiles with a range of 300 Km
Out of this 4 Upgraded subs have been delivered to Indian navy each carrying 6 Klub S Cruise Missiles
While 2 Subs are undergoing this Upgrade
The last Kilo Class Submarine INS Sindhushastra inducted on July 19, 2000 already has these Missiles and hence will only undergo system Upgrade when it goes for MLU in 2013

While it is expected that 4 Kilo Class and 2 Type 209 Subs will remain in service in 2020 , along with the 6 Scorpene class , 1-2 Akula II , 3 Arihant class . However additional 3 upgraded Kilo Class Could remain operational till 2024 should there be a delay in P-75B submarines beyond 2020
 
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Will this CAG shut the fu$k up, he is leaking out more strategic information in the name of auditing.

Can't he disclose this info only to the government? How does media get hold of CAG information?

Its the job of CAG to point out discrepancies! Call it the drawback of transparency of democracy that is India! Public money is being used to fund these projects and there should be/is accountability. Though I dont personally agree with this, I also dont want taxpayers money to be mismanaged with fancy failing projects - which leads to corruption. If it makes leaders and babus squirm and sweat in their seats and try to rectify the glaring problems or shortcomings, the better!

However, there are parts of the report which I believe are for "Military Eyes Only"!
 
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