NATO is weak. NATO will back off if Russia attacks Lithuania or other small NATO countries

[Wergeland]

How would things go if Russia attacked Lithuania?

I was thinking the same thing yesterday.
What if America actually no longer wants to get involved in Europe anymore?

Is NATO as strong as it was?
90% of NATO is US Army

USA wants to focus on Western Pacific.
Ergo it cannot continue to waste resources on less important theaters like Europe and Middle East.

I do not like it, but i believe America will slowly disengage from NATO.

 

[Naofumi]

Russia can do much better than Iran

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[Joe Shearer]

Everyone can have an opinion.

Just as you made the decision to fight back for the United States, for emperor-sized self-confidence.


Neither side benefits, so once Russia decides it will use nuclear weapons, NATO will back down.


Therefore, Americans face the humiliation of Afghanistan and Ukraine again and again, pretending that this is glorious. View attachment 818590

 

[Naofumi]

Ergo it cannot continue to waste resources on less important theaters like Europe and Middle East.

No, it does not work like that. Europe and Middle East are not equivalent from the American lens. There is very large magnitude of difference in the importance between them. Europe may be more important to the Americans than the much closer South America, that's how the western world order have functioned till now.

 

[Vapnope]

Will a military strike be enough to overwhelm the Russian army?

You are still not understanding the conventional response from NATO and no nuke is going to save Russia. Putin is not that stupid to get a total annihilation by starting a war with NATO.

 

[UKBengali]

This thread scares you so much?
Russian nuclear weapons can destroy all 12 US aircraft carriers.

Even the UK could pretty much make the modern Russian state cease to exist for many years if not decades.

UK has 225 nuclear warheads of which 120 are available to launch from one it's submarines located somewhere in the deep Atlantic.

Just these 120 100kT warhead could pretty much destroy the most important Russian cities and and naval bases.

Yes the UK would be totally wiped out but Russia would be seriously messed up with 10s of million killed and no naval bases left.

 

[Vapnope]

Event was so humiliating and shocking

An embassy full of civilian got bombed and you think this is a funny matter!
This is the reason why i believe each and every sanghi is worth my dog shit.

 

[Abid123]

Even a US carrier strike group centered around 2 aircraft carriers could beat the whole of the Russian Air force by itself.

Russia has nearly 800 4th generation aircrafts.

 

[Wergeland]

No, it does not work like that. Europe and Middle East are not equivalent from the American lens. There is very large magnitude of difference in the importance between them. Europe may be more important to the Americans than the much closer South America, that's how the western world order have functioned till now.

Yes you are right about that connection. Which is based on history and origin of USA as a national state.

Regardless there are important factors to consider:

- America is not a european country
- American predent genration is slowly distancing itself from its colonial origin.
- Its economy is stagnating, thus room for military expeditions shrinks
- It cannot engange in multiple theaters with equal intensity because of aforementioned factors
- China is technically a stronger economy than America and if it wanted to, could easily volume up its defence expenditure to match America dollar for dollar.

These are the reason i think West Europe stands on a crossrod and has to make tough choices. Its either a European version of NATO or back to disintegration and slow build up of intra-european rivalry like in the old days.

 

[Viet]

The chance for "green" future/cars were destroyed by the political idiots sitting in the gov since 1998. There was a timeframe from 1995-2001 for switching to hydrogen economy. But the red/green gov (1998-2005) kill the future of independence. The same gov that bombed Serbia based on lies. Then Merkel kills the rest.

If EVs then electric, hydrogen is an inferior technology. The costs of hydrogen is 3x higher than fully electric. Tesla builds electric cars not hydrogen cars. All experiments with hydrogen failed. I find absolutely an stupidity that Germany scraps nuclear. Now Putin can threaten with nukes. Highnoon to reverse course. Germany shall rise to a military and nuclear power.

 

[Naofumi]

- It cannot engange in multiple theaters with equal intensity because of aforementioned factors
- China is technically a stronger economy than America and if it wanted to, could easily volume up its defence expenditure to match America dollar for dollar.

This presumes that European nations need spoon feeding from US in regard to their defence. That's not correct, France and Germany managed EU can very much contribute their share in the long term defence cooperation with US. France already have an independent military-industrial complex in their own right. EU-US cooperation would continue as both parties will see more harm in disengaging compared to the status quo.

 

[hualushui]

Some members are taking their Red Alert gameplay sessions too seriously. Might be drinking Vodka too.

Russia has not launched nuclear weapons at the United States, but the US government is ready to fight back.
Should the U.S. military consider this a trivial matter, a red-alarm game？

 

[beijingwalker]

China now got a good opportunity to see what kind of last resort western sanctions can be thrown at Russia and how they work out.

 

[nang2]

NATO is THE strongest defense alliance. If NATO is weak, no defense alliance is strong.

 

[Wergeland]

This presumes that European nations need spoon feeding from US in regard to their defence. That's not correct, France and Germany managed EU can very contribute their share in defence cooperation with US. France already have an independent military-industrial complex in their own right. EU-US cooperation would continue as both parties will see more harm in disengaging compared to the status quo

If America withdraws its recources, it will force european nations to use more own budget money on defence. No doubt.

EU is on par with USA and China when it comes to size of economy, so the money is there.

What is important to consider is that cooperation on economy is much more easy than in the defence sphere. Here is the real challenge for EU. To convince its members to give up their national autonomy to such an extent that their defence is inteconnected with larger member states. In many ways this is what NATO does today, but under supreme American leadership.

Questions are: Is it enough trust between european member states to create a big defence block? Is EU gonna become a civilization state? Will smaller east european states be drawn out of Franco-German orbit?
What is Britains role in all this?