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Nationalism instigated to challenge political system in Vietnam

Source: Global Times Published: 2018/6/12

Over the weekend, several protests took place in Ho Chi Minh City, Nha Trang, Hanoi and other places in Vietnam, opposing proposed laws on special economic zones and cyber security deliberated at the Vietnamese National Assembly.

Western media have hyped up the incidents that these demonstrations are targeting China, stirring up anti-China sentiment among Vietnamese. The proposed special economic zone law extends the land lease period of the three special zones in Vietnam to 99 years for investors from all countries. But a few Vietnamese radicals clamored that the law would lead to Chinese "long-term occupation of Vietnamese land."

This view distorts the original intentions of the Vietnamese government, and it is using anti-China sentiment to incite nationalism to challenge the current political system in Vietnam. Sino-Vietnamese relations have maintained steady development in recent years. South China Sea disputes have been effectively under control and bilateral cooperation has been fruitful. Moreover, China has remained Vietnam's largest trading partner. Bilateral trade volume reached $121.3 billion last year, 24 percent higher than in 2016.

Vietnam is not a pioneer in leasing land up to 99 years to foreign companies in economic zones. Neighboring Thailand has already enacted the policy. Since renters are businesses, rather than governments, it is political intrigue of outside forces to bring up the issue of sovereignty.

Vietnam falls short in network management and technical capabilities. Citizens have direct access to Western websites such as Facebook, a convenient platform for political dissidents, such as the New Vietnam Revolutionary Party, to engage in political liaison and mobilization. Prevention of the infiltration of foreign forces is likely behind Hanoi's recent cyber security legislation.

In fact, Vietnam's reforms have gradually entered "deep water area," where the preservation of domestic political order gets increasingly complex. With effective control of maritime disputes, conflicts with Beijing are no longer the main challenge for Hanoi. Instead, forces who attempt to utilize disputes between the two countries to instigate discontent within Vietnamese society over the Vietnamese Communist Party are becoming a prominent political concern in Vietnam.

Incitement of nationalism to oppose a government that is promoting sound foreign policy is often a trick of political opponents. Now that Chinese and Vietnamese mutual interests have become closely aligned, without political incitement, there should be no collective hatred toward China in Vietnam.

Today, Vietnam is already a hot destination for Chinese tourists. The number of Vietnamese studying in China is also among the highest among Southeast Asia. Non-governmental exchanges between the two countries are thriving. The law provision on the length of land lease term is a typical issue of economic legislation. Even if there are disagreements, it should be discussed through legitimate channels according to Vietnamese law. However, demonstrations against the provision broke out simultaneously in several places. Is it possible the land provision was simply a pretense for opposition forces with malicious intent to mobilize?

At any rate, what's behind the protests is up to Vietnamese leadership to decide, though they should be allowed to do so without outside provocation. I believe that the mainstream society of Vietnam will take notice of similar "proxy conflict" experiences around the world.

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@Viet , @Viva_Viet , friends, take this as a very sincere warning from a friendly country.

@Viva_Viet , I would advise you not to blindly overestimate the capability of the VCP and the unity of Vietnam as a stable country if it comes under anti-regime attacks suponsored by the US and other anti-Vietnam forces.
 
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@Viet , @Viva_Viet , friends, take this as a very sincere warning from a friendly country.

@Viva_Viet , I would advise you not to blindly overestimate the capability of the VCP and the unity of Vietnam as a stable country if it comes under anti-regime attacks suponsored by the US and other anti-Vietnam forces.

Based on my observations so far, I would say only @AViet , the real Vietnam nationality in this forum. He/she knows the real situation in Vietnam.

The rest are boat refugees/immigrants who only know Vietnam from Google.
 
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Based on my observations so far, I would say only @AViet , the real Vietnam nationality in this forum. He/she knows the real situation in Vietnam.

The rest are boat refugees/immigrants who only know Vietnam from Google.

That's my perception, as well. Those may may actually be anti-VCP dissidents stoking hatred online. China is an easy target, because, if CN-VN relations are bad, then, VN may have no other options but get closer to the US (and accept their demands in return for "security" guaratees").

Color revolution to come by ? That's the price you pay when you want to be friend with the US.

Of course, getting close to the US for a weak and fragile country means to be open to their whims and future projections. No small country has ever benefited from friendship with the US without sacrificing more of their stability and their future.

If you really want to be friends with the US, you need to be strong. For weak countries, friendship with the US is poisonous eventually.

China does indeed has territorial disputes with Vietnam, just as anybody else in the region. China is not an exception. This is a colonial legacy we need to deal with.

But Vietnam can entrust with China its internal stability, regime security and national unity. The same with the US it can never do.

The US will attack their very fundamentals. The US will agitate their very weak points. The US will not show any mercy at the sight of a country going down in flames. Remember Hillary Clinton grinning at the images of Gaddafi being lynched.

This is in the US regime genes. They have zero sympathy. They have zero concern.

Weirdly, for anti VCP folks, that poisonous regime is the only remaining savior.
 
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Nationalism instigated to challenge political system in Vietnam

Source: Global Times Published: 2018/6/12

Over the weekend, several protests took place in Ho Chi Minh City, Nha Trang, Hanoi and other places in Vietnam, opposing proposed laws on special economic zones and cyber security deliberated at the Vietnamese National Assembly.

Western media have hyped up the incidents that these demonstrations are targeting China, stirring up anti-China sentiment among Vietnamese. The proposed special economic zone law extends the land lease period of the three special zones in Vietnam to 99 years for investors from all countries. But a few Vietnamese radicals clamored that the law would lead to Chinese "long-term occupation of Vietnamese land."

This view distorts the original intentions of the Vietnamese government, and it is using anti-China sentiment to incite nationalism to challenge the current political system in Vietnam. Sino-Vietnamese relations have maintained steady development in recent years. South China Sea disputes have been effectively under control and bilateral cooperation has been fruitful. Moreover, China has remained Vietnam's largest trading partner. Bilateral trade volume reached $121.3 billion last year, 24 percent higher than in 2016.

Vietnam is not a pioneer in leasing land up to 99 years to foreign companies in economic zones. Neighboring Thailand has already enacted the policy. Since renters are businesses, rather than governments, it is political intrigue of outside forces to bring up the issue of sovereignty.

Vietnam falls short in network management and technical capabilities. Citizens have direct access to Western websites such as Facebook, a convenient platform for political dissidents, such as the New Vietnam Revolutionary Party, to engage in political liaison and mobilization. Prevention of the infiltration of foreign forces is likely behind Hanoi's recent cyber security legislation.

In fact, Vietnam's reforms have gradually entered "deep water area," where the preservation of domestic political order gets increasingly complex. With effective control of maritime disputes, conflicts with Beijing are no longer the main challenge for Hanoi. Instead, forces who attempt to utilize disputes between the two countries to instigate discontent within Vietnamese society over the Vietnamese Communist Party are becoming a prominent political concern in Vietnam.

Incitement of nationalism to oppose a government that is promoting sound foreign policy is often a trick of political opponents. Now that Chinese and Vietnamese mutual interests have become closely aligned, without political incitement, there should be no collective hatred toward China in Vietnam.

Today, Vietnam is already a hot destination for Chinese tourists. The number of Vietnamese studying in China is also among the highest among Southeast Asia. Non-governmental exchanges between the two countries are thriving. The law provision on the length of land lease term is a typical issue of economic legislation. Even if there are disagreements, it should be discussed through legitimate channels according to Vietnamese law. However, demonstrations against the provision broke out simultaneously in several places. Is it possible the land provision was simply a pretense for opposition forces with malicious intent to mobilize?

At any rate, what's behind the protests is up to Vietnamese leadership to decide, though they should be allowed to do so without outside provocation. I believe that the mainstream society of Vietnam will take notice of similar "proxy conflict" experiences around the world.

***

@Viet , @Viva_Viet , friends, take this as a very sincere warning from a friendly country.

@Viva_Viet , I would advise you not to blindly overestimate the capability of the VCP and the unity of Vietnam as a stable country if it comes under anti-regime attacks suponsored by the US and other anti-Vietnam forces.
Thats how VN growing up, making more friends and getting stronger.

first step: allow Western media like FB, Youtube in VN, builind more Catholic church (meaning getting more "communist haters")
second step : get used to wt protest, demonstration
third step: transform to a better transparent system
 
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Based on my observations so far, I would say only @AViet , the real Vietnam nationality in this forum. He/she knows the real situation in Vietnam.

The rest are boat refugees/immigrants who only know Vietnam from Google.
Based on your comment you are an idiot. Man, a nationalistic with racistic tone colored tabloid as GT accuses other of nationalism. Not comical. China, corruption, incompetence and injustice are Vietnam biggest threats. In that order.
 
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Based on your comment you are an idiot. Man, a nationalistic with racistic tone colored tabloid as GT accuses other of nationalism. Not comical. China, corruption, incompetence and injustice are Vietnam biggest threats. In that order.

Dude, you are not Vietnam nationality. I even doubt that you ever visiting your ancestors land. So You and I have no business with VN-CN relation.

That's my perception, as well. Those may may actually be anti-VCP dissidents stoking hatred online. China is an easy target, because, if CN-VN relations are bad, then, VN may have no other options but get closer to the US (and accept their demands in return for "security" guaratees").

I know that CN-VN have territorial dispute and bitter experiences in the past. But in this case, CPC must help VCP. Like Arab spring, if VCP's regime collapse, CPC will face the same threat.
 
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Thats how VN growing up, making more friends and getting stronger.

first step: allow Western media like FB, Youtube in VN, builind more Catholic church (meaning getting more "communist haters")
second step : get used to wt protest, demonstration
third step: transform to a better transparent system

That's exact order for a color revolution, my friend. You are in prison if you say this in Vietnam.

I know that CN-VN have territorial dispute and bitter experiences in the past. But in this case, CPC must help VCP. Like Arab spring, if VCP's regime collapse, CPC will face the same threat.

I agree. I think China will never allow VCP to collapse. In fact, if you follow recent precautionary steps taken by the VCP, they are learning from China experience against foreign meddling. VCP has one, and only one place to go: Father Beijing.

Overseas anti-VCP southern Vietnamese, Foreign social media, US government, and liberal voices at home are are Vietnam's biggest threats. In that order.
 
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Yes, Viets, let the rage flow through you!

VCP is only a Chinese puppet! Overthrow them and build your Viet shupa powa from its ashes!
 
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Thats what we promised in TPP.

I do not think so.

I do not think Vietnam looks for more than economic benefits. I do not also think the VCP are dying for more Facebook and Twitter. I also do not think the VCP is stupid enough to equate development with FB usage.

That would be India. But not Vietnam.

Yes, Viets, let the rage flow through you!

VCP is only a Chinese puppet! Overthrow them and build your Viet shupa powa from its ashes!

VCP, as I see it, is a loyal student of China. For their survival, the only model they can follow up is China. Or else, they can go either Soviet Way, Georgia Way, or Libya Way.
 
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I do not think so.

I do not think Vietnam looks for more than economic benefits. I do not also think the VCP are dying for more Facebook and Twitter. I also do not think the VCP is stupid enough to equate development with FB usage.

That would be India. But not Vietnam.



VCP, as I see it, is a loyal student of China. For their survival, the only model they can follow up is China. Or else, they can go either Soviet Way, Georgia Way, or Libya Way.
U have big problem , u think communism was invented by CN and ppl should follow Mao's red book :laugh:
 
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VCP, as I see it, is a loyal student of China. For their survival, the only model they can follow up is China. Or else, they can go either Soviet Way, Georgia Way, or Libya Way.
I think Beijing needs to seize the opportunity. Be proactive instead of reactive. Just like there is Inner Mongolia versus Outer Mongolia and Inner Manchuria versus Outer Manchuria, there is also Inner Annam and Outer Annam. Unfortunately, the barbaric uncivilized Outer Annam took control and purged the country of Inner Annam population in the 1970s. The Inner Annam population was already weakened by policies of Western colonialists and Japanese occupiers.

Taking a step back, the very common Chinese blind spot is being flattered at the idea that some other nation looks up to China as a role model. It simply does not happen that way. It's more like a joke how easily Chinese people are flattered.

Kill a bunch of Chinese or pro-Chinese people. A few years later, flatter the Chinese by saying you are learning from them as a role model, then the Chinese get all excited like a dog with tail wagging at the idea that some foreigner "looks up to Chinese" and the killing is long forgotten. Rinse and repeat.
 
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Dude, you are not Vietnam nationality. I even doubt that you ever visiting your ancestors land. So You and I have no business with VN-CN relation.



I know that CN-VN have territorial dispute and bitter experiences in the past. But in this case, CPC must help VCP. Like Arab spring, if VCP's regime collapse, CPC will face the same threat.
Aha. Regardless of the topic, sooner or later you talk either on Viet girls allegedly marry China peasants or the importance of nationalities or skin colors.

Cpc must help Vcp?

Man, you are a funny clown.
 
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I know that CN-VN have territorial dispute and bitter experiences in the past. But in this case, CPC must help VCP. Like Arab spring, if VCP's regime collapse, CPC will face the same threat.
That makes no sense, if VCP's regime collapses, why does CCP face the same threat? Viets are not even the same species as us. They are closer to monkeys.
 
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