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SEOUL, Feb. 13 (Yonhap) -- A pro-North Korean organization in Japan pressed Tokyo to immediately roll back sanctions on North Korea, blaming Japan for scrapping the 2014 deal between Pyongyang and Tokyo on easing sanctions.

Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe said earlier this week that Japan is working to impose its own sanctions on North Korea for its recent nuclear test and long-range rocket launch. Abe made the comments in a telephone conversation with South Korean President Park Geun-hye.

The Japanese move is "an unpardonable action to create new artificial obstacles" in relations between North Korea and Japan, the General Association of Korean Residents in Japan said in an English-language statement carried by North Korea's official Korean Central News Agency.

"Japan's acts will have serious impact" on the bilateral relations, the statement said, as it demanded the "immediate withdrawal of the unwarranted sanctions."

The association has been serving as a de facto embassy between Pyongyang and Tokyo, which have never established diplomatic relations.

Nam Sung-u, a senior official of the association, claimed that Japan unilaterally scrapped the Stockholm deal by slapping sanctions against North Korea.

Under the deal reached in Sweden's capital in 2014, North Korea agreed to look into again the fate of Japanese abductees. In return, Japan agreed to lift part of its sanctions on Pyongyang and give humanitarian aid to the reclusive country "at an appropriate time."



Pro-N. Korean group in Tokyo urges Japan to retract sanctions on North
 
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Maybe Six-Party Talks must be reconfigured as Five-Party Talks and a genuine Asian solution must be sought with respect to the crisis in Korean Peninsula.

I did not like too much when China (and now looks like Japan) bandwagon so eagerly with the US on the sanctions issue.
 
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Maybe Six-Party Talks must be reconfigured as Five-Party Talks and a genuine Asian solution must be sought with respect to the crisis in Korean Peninsula.

I did not like too much when China (and now looks like Japan) bandwagon so eagerly with the US on the sanctions issue.
I also don't see why China and Russia went along with sanctions for Iran or for that matter as you said on North Korea. Asia must break itself from the murderous clutches of the USA. Our foreign policy is being directed by them and we are being told what to do and how to behave.
 
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Maybe Six-Party Talks must be reconfigured as Five-Party Talks and a genuine Asian solution must be sought with respect to the crisis in Korean Peninsula.

I did not like too much when China (and now looks like Japan) bandwagon so eagerly with the US on the sanctions issue.

Its so interesting , my friend, that whenever you google search "Japan North Korea" you will only find western published news articles of how Japan is siding with S. Korea and US. Yet it fails to post any news about how Pro-Korean Unifcation forces in Japan are actually active nowadays. Even in the Japanese Diet , one of the key members of the DPJ and even one leading member of the LDP have opposed Abe in regards to sanctioning Korea. There are actually major forces in the Japanese Diet who want to re-establish trade with Pyongyang. By the way --- that trade level --- before the 2003 sanctions were leveled --- had reached up to $30 Billion.

Japan is actually slowly starting to open trade with Pyongyang again, albeit , limited to the western prefectures.

The fact that Chongryon is such a large organization in Japan and that Japan allows it to exist and even grow --- is testament to how Japan utilizes the organization. :)
 
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I also don't see why China and Russia went along with sanctions for Iran or for that matter as you said on North Korea. Asia must break itself from the murderous clutches of the USA. Our foreign policy is being directed by them and we are being told what to do and how to behave.

I think part of the reason is international community.

Not that the West represents, in terms of percentage, anything close to a global community, but its influence through media has a multiplying effect. North Korea (and once Iran) being demonized to such degree, it is indeed hard on governments to weather the pressure/backlash.

Just look how the Western media started to portray Russia (which has the best ground intelligence among all the countries bombing militia in Syria) like something close to bogeyman, effectively erasing all the memories of the past 4.5 years where Russia was not involved at all and Syria was a in the middle of a greater bloodbath.

In that respect, although I criticize, I also understand the position taken by my government and Tokyo.

By the way --- that trade level --- before the 2003 sanctions were leveled --- had reached up to $30 Billion.

That's great. Bilateral trade and deeper socio-political interaction is the way to go. We should not be falling into the "bogeyman trap" set up by the West.

I am wondering about China's trade with North Korea. Maybe @Shotgunner51 has some stats on this.
 
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What does Kim really want? Assurance from the US of his personal/political survival in NK. No one can give this to Kim except the US. After the fine example of what the Americans did to Saddam & Gaddafi, it's no wonder Kim is mad about MAD. Dictator or no dictator, ultimately it is the Korean's prerogative, no one should hijack Korean political divide to further their insidious motive at our(East Asia) expense.
 
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What does Kim really want? Assurance from the US of his personal/political survival in NK. No one can give this to Kim except the US. After the fine example of what the Americans did to Saddam & Gaddafi, it's no wonder Kim is mad about MAD. Dictator or no dictator, ultimately it is the Korean's prerogative, no one should hijack Korean political divide to further their insidious motive at our(East Asia) expense.

I think that the recent provocations in part is due to the age and experience of Kim. Tho one has to understand that he has not been against the notion of economic-based unification. Perhaps North Korea and South Korea can implement the type of system set in place in Hong Kong (to a degree) --- of One Country Two Systems. All the while taking advantage of economic integration and infrastructure development of the North, which will require the aid of both China, Japan.

I suppose the trend is that Koreans are slowly , gradually realizing the irrelevance of American presence in Korea. In fact even within the ROKAF, there is even animosity of the United States having OPCON over the SOCKOR. There are growing ruffles , my friend. I have some Korean acquaintances who served in the ROKA who said many South Korean soldiers hold disdain over US forces in their country as well.

Ultimately, i think that the more North Korea becomes bolder, militarily potent --- the more irrelevant the dependency Seoul has on Washington. Then , ultimately, we can expect the further erosion and eventual abandonment of OPCON over the SOCKOR.

Pyongyang is essential, you see, my friend, in the overall paradigm of East Asian Integrationism. Pyongyang's success and ability to negate US military threat --- will further erode Japanese and Korean confidence in the United States. Erode this to a particular point then, well, ....LOL. ;)


 
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Both Korea if wanna see each other as brother should stop watch TV and read newspaper, meet each other, talking and drink some beer, dancing together regularly. See each other from mass media as threatening bear everyday is silly.
 
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I am wondering about China's trade with North Korea. Maybe @Shotgunner51 has some stats on this.

Thanks for tagging bro. China-NK trade comprised of these five parts:
  1. Official trade on merchandise that can be captured by Chinese government is around 5-6 billion dollar every year. NK has weak industrial base and rely heavily on imports of many industrial produce from electrical-mechanical machinery to consumer electronics. Energy-related products like solar panels are rising in demand as well. Almost all NK trading companies licensed to imports are run by KPA (Korean People's Army; 조선인민군; 朝鲜人民军).
  2. Bilateral investment is negligible from China's perspective, but Chinese investment is still significant in NK.
  3. There is some degree of Services Trade, say tourism, and labor. There is an upward trend of NK labor export to China reaching 94,200 personnel last year (Link: 韩媒:金正恩执政后朝鲜对华劳务输出大增_新闻_腾讯网
  4. State Aid, which is believed to constitute a major portion of overall trade. Figures are are not publicly available, however observers can still make estimates by tracking volumes going through Yalu River Bridge (鸭绿江大桥).
  5. Grey Channel. Residents on both sides of the porous border are largely of same ethnicity, share same language and may even have family ties. Trade content includes consumer goods, agricultural produce, raw materials, etc., in barter or other accepted forms of payments.
 
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What does Kim really want? Assurance from the US of his personal/political survival in NK. No one can give this to Kim except the US. After the fine example of what the Americans did to Saddam & Gaddafi, it's no wonder Kim is mad about MAD. Dictator or no dictator, ultimately it is the Korean's prerogative, no one should hijack Korean political divide to further their insidious motive at our(East Asia) expense.

North Korea has been doing nuclear weapons research for decades...way way way way before any Bush talk of "Axis of evil" in terms of Saddam or others. Even if there was no Saddam or Khadaffi overthrow the research would be going on.
 
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Pretty disgusting that you continue to support the North Korean regime Nihonjin... my opinion of you has dropped...:(

Also source on Japan opening trade with NK, I don't mind if its japanese.
I think that the recent provocations in part is due to the age and experience of Kim. Tho one has to understand that he has not been against the notion of economic-based unification. Perhaps North Korea and South Korea can implement the type of system set in place in Hong Kong (to a degree) --- of One Country Two Systems. All the while taking advantage of economic integration and infrastructure development of the North, which will require the aid of both China, Japan.

I suppose the trend is that Koreans are slowly , gradually realizing the irrelevance of American presence in Korea. In fact even within the ROKAF, there is even animosity of the United States having OPCON over the SOCKOR. There are growing ruffles , my friend. I have some Korean acquaintances who served in the ROKA who said many South Korean soldiers hold disdain over US forces in their country as well.

Ultimately, i think that the more North Korea becomes bolder, militarily potent --- the more irrelevant the dependency Seoul has on Washington. Then , ultimately, we can expect the further erosion and eventual abandonment of OPCON over the SOCKOR.

Pyongyang is essential, you see, my friend, in the overall paradigm of East Asian Integrationism. Pyongyang's success and ability to negate US military threat --- will further erode Japanese and Korean confidence in the United States. Erode this to a particular point then, well, ....LOL. ;)




Thankfully reality shows otherwise.Even government officials can hold negative personal opinions of whatever institution or country while recognizing that it is in the best interests of their country to work with them ( most bluntly characterized recently with Nuland's notorious "**** the EU").

US to fly F-22s over Korea this week: official – The Korea Times

South Korea, U.S. to discuss missile defense; South cuts power to Kaesong park| Reuters

South Korea, U.S. conduct joint drills against North Korea's submarine attacks

South Korean Attitudes on the Korea-US Alliance and Northeast AsiaThe Asan Institute for Policy Studies | The Asan Institute for Policy Studies (I can't find anything more recent, sorry)

South Korea must dig in heels and apply 'integrated strategy'- Daily NK

I notice you also fail to mention that the only acceptable unification for the North Korean government currently is under its government. Anything else would irrepairably damage the domestic legitimacy of the Kim dynasty.

I also disagree with you in terms of North Korean military progression. The 'bolder' they become, the more South Korea will rely on the Korea-US-Japan pseudo alliance (as Japan and Korea are not allied). Likewise for Japan, we see it happening between the governments now. The US is providing more security to South Korea as is supported by the South Korean government in light of the north's nuclear tests and ballistic missile launch, and Japan is slowly becoming a net security provider in East and South-East Asia for its own interests, which happens to work in accordance with American interests given the shared systems and values of our countries and our institutions. Strong representative governments with liberal institutions provide security to the US system just by their very existence after all.

A 1 party 2 systems approach would be a direct threa to Kim's legitimacy, and so I don't see him giving any support for reunification except under a system where his government's ultimate authority is unquestioned, and I would like to see a source for the claim that Kim is not against economic reunification to judge that claim for myself.

I don't mind if its in Korean or Japanese, though I'd prefer English.

It doesn't strike me as something he would support in the very least, because it would be a tacit admission of the failure of the policy of his forebears of Juche, and given the deification of his rule, this would be very bad for his official legitimacy.
 
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One of the most useless so called Nation on earth. The North Korea. Living in a shell. I do not even care for the greater good its bombed down and taken care of.
N Korea should have been invaded as soon as or a few years after Soviet Union dissolved. Russia was very weak to support it and I doubt China would have committed its own troop against an US-Japan-Skorean combination.

China rues N Korea now, so does Russia.
 
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Pretty disgusting that you continue to support the North Korean regime Nihonjin... my opinion of you has dropped...:(

Also source on Japan opening trade with NK, I don't mind if its japanese.



Thankfully reality shows otherwise.Even government officials can hold negative personal opinions of whatever institution or country while recognizing that it is in the best interests of their country to work with them ( most bluntly characterized recently with Nuland's notorious "**** the EU").

US to fly F-22s over Korea this week: official – The Korea Times

South Korea, U.S. to discuss missile defense; South cuts power to Kaesong park| Reuters

South Korea, U.S. conduct joint drills against North Korea's submarine attacks

South Korean Attitudes on the Korea-US Alliance and Northeast AsiaThe Asan Institute for Policy Studies | The Asan Institute for Policy Studies (I can't find anything more recent, sorry)

South Korea must dig in heels and apply 'integrated strategy'- Daily NK

I notice you also fail to mention that the only acceptable unification for the North Korean government currently is under its government. Anything else would irrepairably damage the domestic legitimacy of the Kim dynasty.

I also disagree with you in terms of North Korean military progression. The 'bolder' they become, the more South Korea will rely on the Korea-US-Japan pseudo alliance (as Japan and Korea are not allied). Likewise for Japan, we see it happening between the governments now. The US is providing more security to South Korea as is supported by the South Korean government in light of the north's nuclear tests and ballistic missile launch, and Japan is slowly becoming a net security provider in East and South-East Asia for its own interests, which happens to work in accordance with American interests given the shared systems and values of our countries and our institutions. Strong representative governments with liberal institutions provide security to the US system just by their very existence after all.

A 1 party 2 systems approach would be a direct threa to Kim's legitimacy, and so I don't see him giving any support for reunification except under a system where his government's ultimate authority is unquestioned, and I would like to see a source for the claim that Kim is not against economic reunification to judge that claim for myself.

I don't mind if its in Korean or Japanese, though I'd prefer English.

It doesn't strike me as something he would support in the very least, because it would be a tacit admission of the failure of the policy of his forebears of Juche, and given the deification of his rule, this would be very bad for his official legitimacy.


Plus South Korea still votes overwhelmingly for US troops to be stationed there.
S. Korea assembly approves cost-sharing agreement with US - News - Stripes
 
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I think that the recent provocations in part is due to the age and experience of Kim. Tho one has to understand that he has not been against the notion of economic-based unification. Perhaps North Korea and South Korea can implement the type of system set in place in Hong Kong (to a degree) --- of One Country Two Systems. All the while taking advantage of economic integration and infrastructure development of the North, which will require the aid of both China, Japan.

I suppose the trend is that Koreans are slowly , gradually realizing the irrelevance of American presence in Korea. In fact even within the ROKAF, there is even animosity of the United States having OPCON over the SOCKOR. There are growing ruffles , my friend. I have some Korean acquaintances who served in the ROKA who said many South Korean soldiers hold disdain over US forces in their country as well.

Ultimately, i think that the more North Korea becomes bolder, militarily potent --- the more irrelevant the dependency Seoul has on Washington. Then , ultimately, we can expect the further erosion and eventual abandonment of OPCON over the SOCKOR.

Pyongyang is essential, you see, my friend, in the overall paradigm of East Asian Integrationism. Pyongyang's success and ability to negate US military threat --- will further erode Japanese and Korean confidence in the United States. Erode this to a particular point then, well, ....LOL. ;)



Below is a nicely written article, reminding that in the Korean context, there is another constructive force that East Asia can work together to bring a viable (non-US) solution to the conflict.

You can see the strong Northeast Asianist (for me, also includes Russia) undertone, my friend.

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Russia Is the Indispensable Nation in De-Nuclearizing North Korea

North Korea's actions are not irrational, but based on very definite foreign policy goals.

Our contributor, Dr. Tatiana Yugay, Professor of the Plekhanov Russian Economic University, an expert on Italy and a former advisor to the President’s Administration and Security Council, introduces this article written especially for RI:

Giancarlo Elia Valori's reaction to the launch of the North Korean satellite is no standard mass media comment. Valori has had personal relations with the Korean ruling dynasty, first meeting President Kim Il Sung during a visit to North Korea in 1975. He often vacationed in North Korea with his mother and Kim Il Sung had named the residence which was always at their disposal - Villa Emilia - in honor of his mother. He was the only foreign citizen who was invited to the funeral of Kim Il Sung in 1994, and maintained friendly relations with Kim Jong Il, meeting him several times.. Though Valori met North Korea’s present leader, Kim Jong Un only once, Un sent him a beautiful Korean picture for his birthday last year. As I mentioned in my article about Giancarlo Elia Valori, this friendship with the Korean communist leader Kim Il Sung played a crucial role in releasing French hostages kidnapped by Iranian Islamic extremists in 1985.

At a time when almost all world leaders and mass media have unanimously condemned North Korea’s behavior, Valori tries to find a rationale behind the reckless actions of its leader. He calls for negotiations and emphasizes Russia's decisive role in a Korean diplomatic settlement.

Giancarlo Elia Valori has kindly given RI permission to publish photos from his personal archive.



On February 7, 2016 (Juche 105), the North Korean leader Kim Jong Un orbited an earth observation satellite called Kwangmyonsong-4.

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The launch is part of North Korea’s five-year plan for aerospace development – to which the North Korean leader attaches great importance.

It is the most important and technologically independent part of North Korea’s non-conventional military system.

The three-stage carrier rocket blasted off from the Sohae Space Centre in Cholsan County, North Pyongyan Province, at 9 a.m. local time on February 7 and entered its present orbit at 9.09:46 a.m., 9 minutes and 46 seconds after lift-off.

Measuring and telecommunications equipment was installed in the earth observation satellite called Kwangmyonsong-4. After the separation of the carrier stages, the third component of the missile was immediately broken apart into about 270 fragments, to prevent South Korea from recovering it, and learning about it.

The first stage fell onto the area that North Korea had indicated to the International Maritime Organization (IMO), the second reached the east coast of the Philippines.

The "Bright Star" satellite (as its name means in Korean) even flew over the stadium in which the Superbowl had taken place - an hour after the end of the event, in an area very close to the Silicon Valley.

The Unha rocket that launched "Bright Star" into space is a version of the Taepodong-2, the nuclear carrier which can hit targets up to 4,000-4,500 kilometers. It was an Intercontinental Ballistic Missile (ICBM), that alarmed Japan, the United States and, of course, South Korea.

What is the use of the satellite structure, over and above demonstrating the high quality achieved by North Korean science and technology?

North Korea says the satellite will monitor weather conditions and will explore forest resources and the availability of raw materials which are of interest to the North Korean government.

The other satellite in orbit is only calibrated to manage telecommunications.

So what is the use of North Korea’s overall missile and nuclear strategy, in addition to obviously increasing the prestige and security of that regime?

We can assume several motivations:

First, it would be designed to obtain international concessions to stabilize its political system.

North Korea is afraid of dissolving in the globalization of its geopolitical region, losing the strategic military and economic privileges that enable its military build up.

Hence a large amount of missile and nuclear technology to offset the threat from other countries, starting with South Korea.

Secondly, for North Korea, the use of technologically-advanced weapons and the constant threat of their use internationalizes the historical crisis of the Korean peninsula, still divided along the 38th parallel, placing this issue high on both the US and Chinese agendas.

My friend Bob Gallucci (US chief negotiator with North Korea – ed.) remembers all too well that the negotiations with North Korea in 1994 and 2003 were based on the comparative reliability and rationality of that regime, that accepted to reduce its nuclear arsenal in exchange for the construction of a large nuclear power plant. But above all, in exchange for recognition of its stability and political autonomy.

Gallucci’s deal failed, due to US reluctance to accept a negotiating line with North Korea, that finally walked out of the negotiations.

North Korea keeps a careful watch on US moves. Any action taken by the regime is always a coded message to the United States to show clearly that North Korea will negotiate seriously only on specific conditions: to be a full member of the Asian system, on an equal footing and with the same dignity as Japan and South Korea.

But only with the explicit mediation and brokerage of China, the United States and, above all, the Russian Federation, the only country that can really negotiate an effective agreement between North Korea and the major global and regional powers.

Only Russia can interact with the DPRK in order to instill confidence on the reliability of negotiations. Only Russia can guarantee the results of a future agreement – including at the militarily level.

Russia is far enough away not to worry regional powers and it is trusted by North Korea, which has never included it in its list of enemies. It is a credible power both for the United States, which certainly cannot do much with the DPRK, and for China, which is not worried by the role of guarantor played by Russia on the Korean peninsula.

Moreover the DPRK must stabilize its political regime, which lacks the economic basis for a peaceful projection of power.

Furthermore, North Korea’s military system is calibrated to prevent any attempts at internal political destabilization by external enemies.

In the history of military nuclear power, North Korea’s is the first case in which these defensive technologies are used primarily to preserve its own domestic political system.

Obviously North Korea’s nuclear power also has a compensatory function: to offset - with its non-conventional ABC weapons - the inevitable tactical and logistical weakness of its conventional forces which must shrink to make available the resources necessary for the development of the economy, the nuclear threat being cheaper than the traditional conventional build up.

The first DPRK nuclear test dates back to October 2006.

The UN Security Council immediately issued a series of Resolutions that lasted until 2013.

Tough economic sanctions increased the costs of North Korea’s nuclear program and were a good example for other countries thinking about imitating the DPKR’s "isolationist" strategy.

However, in the specific case of North Korea, sanctions had no appreciable results. In 2015 North Korea reaffirmed the goal of byungjin, the "parallel development" of the domestic economy and nuclear deterrence.

In principle, sanctions slow down military development, but do not stop it.

A country just has to centralize military and economic planning - as North Korea has done - and acquire “sensitive” technologies from unofficial channels.

It’s also worth recalling that the sanctions imposed on North Korea were calibrated for a "rational political operator”. This meant that the benefits of negotiating would be greater than the costs of autonomous action and a negotiating stalemate.

Yet political systems do not always follow the rule of rational choice, but often operate as free riders gaining more from refusing the benefits of collective action - according to Mancur Olson's theory - than from the profits resulting from collective action.

It’s always the same problem mentioned by Glaucon in Plato's Republic (Book 2, 360 b-c): whether compliance with the law is intimately connected with the unavoidability of sanctions.

If at times we can avoid being subjected to the "hard yoke of the law", it can also be rational to operate as if the rules do not exist, as a free rider, if we consider that the benefit of isolated action is greater than the loss incurred in implementing the law.

In any case, the sanctions put in place by the United States have increased the North Korean cost of unlawfully procuring nuclear technologies abroad, but have not made it impossible.

Obviously China has no intention of negatively affecting its relations with North Korea, a future contributor to its economic expansion towards the West with the One Belt One Road Initiative. Also, China has no intention of destabilizing the region creating demographic, security, economic and strategic dangers.

North Korea is a strategic "belt" for defense against the "foreign dogs" of South-Western Chinese borders, as well as an unavoidable axis for the protection of its routes in the South China Sea.

Moreover, China does not fear the DPRK’s nuclear arsenal, since it knows it could respond immediately and decisively to any possible attack.

Hence, with a view to persuading China, we need to shift from an old sanctions regime to broader negotiations – and hence to a partial recognition of North Korea’s strategic and economic status in the Asian regional system as well as in relation to Japan and Taiwan.

The 2003-2009 Six Party Talks between the DPRK, the United States, China, Japan, Russia and South Korea, sanctions did not create a diplomatic thread in the short-medium term, and today the sanction system is ineffective, since North Korea simply factors it is as a cost.

In order to start talking effectively with North Korea, we must convince North Korea that no one is interested in regime change in the DPRK.

After a series of confidence-building measures, we must prevent North Korea from using the highest card in negotiations.

Vainglorious boasting may be rational today, but it will become self--defeating for North Korea in the future. A new regional security climate would enable the DPRK to implement a less muscular foreign policy.

We must not call for the country’s complete denuclearization, but consider together North Korea’s non-conventional arsenal and China’s deterrence, and the North Korean regime’s opening to the global economy in positive terms - with Russian mediation.

If this does not happen, being a free rider will become a rational choice for the DPRK.
 
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