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Dear Friends,
I have been reading, Time and again, in the recent threads we have seen that most of the Pakistani Members ( incorrrectly ) believe that the new weapon of JF17 , the CM400AKG a Standoff Missile , Dubbed as Carrier Killer can be a counterbalance for Indian Brahmos.
I REQUEST THE MEMBERS TO COUNTER and DISCUSS ONLY DATA and FACTS.
FACTS must be Countered with FACTS.
Its NOT. This Thread is Dedicated for Healthy Info and Discussion over Busting the same Myth and Prove that CM400 is merely an Air KLaunched BM with Much Inferior Qualities.
First Lets See what is CM400AKG :
The CM-400AKG is a smaller and lighter version of the YJ-12 anti-ship missile intended for use by tactical fighter aircraft such as the FC-1, J-10 and Su-30MKK/J-11. The supersonic CM-400AKG missile weighs 400 kg and has a maximum range of up to 100/250 kilometers and can fly at a top speed of Mach 4 carrying a 150/200 kg warhead. The missile is fitted with either a blast fragmentation or a penetration warhead to engage surface ships or fixed-position ground targets respectively. The missile can be fitted with an active radar seeker or an imaging infrared (IIR) seeker. The propulsion system uses a solid fuel rocket motor. The CM-400AKG anti-ship missile has been ordered by the Air Forces of Pakistan and China.
The range of the CM-400AKG is estimated to be in the 180-250 km class. It is designed for use against fixed or what were described as "slow moving" targets. CASIC data indicates that after launch the CM-400AKG climbs to high altitude and terminates with a high-speed dive on the target. The PAF describes the missile's impact velocity as "hypersonic" (> Mach 5).
A list of system features appears to confirm an unusual characteristic associated with the CM-400. Unlike most high-speed cruise missiles, which fly at low altitude to avoid detection, the CM-400 uses “high [altitude] launching” to achieve “higher aircraft survivability”, according to the video.
Data Indicates That CASIC launch after the CM-400AKG climbs to high altitude and Terminates with a high-speed dive on the target. The PAF describe the missile’s impact velocity as “hypersonic”.
Sources :
China supersonic CM-400 AKG long range anti-ship and land attack missile | Exploring the World
China Develops CM-400AKG Pakistan's Hypersonic Carrier Killer Missile For JF-17 - ASIAN DEFENCE NEWS
DUBAI: China details performance of 'carrier killer' missile for JF-17 - Missile ThreatMissile Threat
The Above facts can be also verfied From Janes :
So Clearly CM400 is a MUCH MUCH Inferior Missile ( as compared to Brahmos ) when we consider the points as follows :
A. CM400 Follows a BALLISTIC Trajectory
This makes the missile predicatble and since the missile can ONLY be launched from High Altitudes, its Detections is Much Much Earlier.
Brahmos is a TRUE Sea Skimming Missile and will not even appear on the radar EXCEPT for the last few seconds before impact !
B. CM400 is ONLY and ONLY for SLOW / Fixed Targets
Due to its Ballistic Trajectory, Its not possible to Target Highspeed Targets.
Brahmos, is a Weapon to Fear.. It can make Unique S manuevers and take any turn within its Range to Lock and Destroy the Target.
C. CM400 is NOT a Terrain Hugging / Sea Skimming Missile
Since CM400 is a High Altitude Air Launched Missile. Hence, its NOT a Terrain Hugging Missile as believed by many.
D. Its Speed ( Like ALL the BMs ) is at Max, 4 Mach ONLY and ONLY in the Terminal Phase, Just before it Reaches its Max Range.
Contrary to what Pakistani's Try to believe ist NOT a Mach 4+ Missile. Just like their Shaheen and Gauri this Missile is a BM used in Naval role.
Hence Just like NAsr or Shaheen its Terminal / Impact Speed is in the range of Mach 4.
Brahmos, is Supersonic THROUGHOUT its Course.
E. Is ONLY Air Launched ( With Minimum Payload for JF17 )
Its ONLY Air Launched and Paksitan DOES NOT have a Carrier. So it Limits the usage of the Missile to ONLY within a close range to the Shores.
Brahmos, OTOH , is Air , Submarine , Ship and Land Launched Missile.
F. Almost No Manuverability and Defence against SAMs
As per the Available The Worst part of CM400. It CANNOT change its Course , Thats the reason why its SPECIFIALLY mentioned to be applicable for FIXED and SLOW Targets ONLY !
Plus, This also means that the best Naval SAM, Barak 8 will have an Easy Target to deal with.
Additionally CM400 will Face Indian CMD Defences with Includes :
1. First point of defense is Patroling aircraft (F18/Rafael/MiG29K)
2. second layer of defence is Air defense ships (usually frigates) with 3 layer of security, LRSAM, MR-SAM, SR-SAM
3. 3rd layer of security is Carrier itself, the SAM on carrier
4. 4th layer of security is gatelling gun, it create a wall of bullets in front of invader...
Courtesy : @Beerbal
Conclusion : A Vintage Missile CM400AKG has NO MATCH for the Next Generation Brahmos !
I have been reading, Time and again, in the recent threads we have seen that most of the Pakistani Members ( incorrrectly ) believe that the new weapon of JF17 , the CM400AKG a Standoff Missile , Dubbed as Carrier Killer can be a counterbalance for Indian Brahmos.
I REQUEST THE MEMBERS TO COUNTER and DISCUSS ONLY DATA and FACTS.
FACTS must be Countered with FACTS.
Its NOT. This Thread is Dedicated for Healthy Info and Discussion over Busting the same Myth and Prove that CM400 is merely an Air KLaunched BM with Much Inferior Qualities.
First Lets See what is CM400AKG :
The CM-400AKG is a smaller and lighter version of the YJ-12 anti-ship missile intended for use by tactical fighter aircraft such as the FC-1, J-10 and Su-30MKK/J-11. The supersonic CM-400AKG missile weighs 400 kg and has a maximum range of up to 100/250 kilometers and can fly at a top speed of Mach 4 carrying a 150/200 kg warhead. The missile is fitted with either a blast fragmentation or a penetration warhead to engage surface ships or fixed-position ground targets respectively. The missile can be fitted with an active radar seeker or an imaging infrared (IIR) seeker. The propulsion system uses a solid fuel rocket motor. The CM-400AKG anti-ship missile has been ordered by the Air Forces of Pakistan and China.
The range of the CM-400AKG is estimated to be in the 180-250 km class. It is designed for use against fixed or what were described as "slow moving" targets. CASIC data indicates that after launch the CM-400AKG climbs to high altitude and terminates with a high-speed dive on the target. The PAF describes the missile's impact velocity as "hypersonic" (> Mach 5).
A list of system features appears to confirm an unusual characteristic associated with the CM-400. Unlike most high-speed cruise missiles, which fly at low altitude to avoid detection, the CM-400 uses “high [altitude] launching” to achieve “higher aircraft survivability”, according to the video.
Data Indicates That CASIC launch after the CM-400AKG climbs to high altitude and Terminates with a high-speed dive on the target. The PAF describe the missile’s impact velocity as “hypersonic”.
Sources :
China supersonic CM-400 AKG long range anti-ship and land attack missile | Exploring the World
China Develops CM-400AKG Pakistan's Hypersonic Carrier Killer Missile For JF-17 - ASIAN DEFENCE NEWS
DUBAI: China details performance of 'carrier killer' missile for JF-17 - Missile ThreatMissile Threat
The Above facts can be also verfied From Janes :
So Clearly CM400 is a MUCH MUCH Inferior Missile ( as compared to Brahmos ) when we consider the points as follows :
A. CM400 Follows a BALLISTIC Trajectory
This makes the missile predicatble and since the missile can ONLY be launched from High Altitudes, its Detections is Much Much Earlier.
Brahmos is a TRUE Sea Skimming Missile and will not even appear on the radar EXCEPT for the last few seconds before impact !
B. CM400 is ONLY and ONLY for SLOW / Fixed Targets
Due to its Ballistic Trajectory, Its not possible to Target Highspeed Targets.
Brahmos, is a Weapon to Fear.. It can make Unique S manuevers and take any turn within its Range to Lock and Destroy the Target.
C. CM400 is NOT a Terrain Hugging / Sea Skimming Missile
Since CM400 is a High Altitude Air Launched Missile. Hence, its NOT a Terrain Hugging Missile as believed by many.
D. Its Speed ( Like ALL the BMs ) is at Max, 4 Mach ONLY and ONLY in the Terminal Phase, Just before it Reaches its Max Range.
Contrary to what Pakistani's Try to believe ist NOT a Mach 4+ Missile. Just like their Shaheen and Gauri this Missile is a BM used in Naval role.
Hence Just like NAsr or Shaheen its Terminal / Impact Speed is in the range of Mach 4.
Brahmos, is Supersonic THROUGHOUT its Course.
E. Is ONLY Air Launched ( With Minimum Payload for JF17 )
Its ONLY Air Launched and Paksitan DOES NOT have a Carrier. So it Limits the usage of the Missile to ONLY within a close range to the Shores.
Brahmos, OTOH , is Air , Submarine , Ship and Land Launched Missile.
F. Almost No Manuverability and Defence against SAMs
As per the Available The Worst part of CM400. It CANNOT change its Course , Thats the reason why its SPECIFIALLY mentioned to be applicable for FIXED and SLOW Targets ONLY !
Plus, This also means that the best Naval SAM, Barak 8 will have an Easy Target to deal with.
Additionally CM400 will Face Indian CMD Defences with Includes :
1. First point of defense is Patroling aircraft (F18/Rafael/MiG29K)
2. second layer of defence is Air defense ships (usually frigates) with 3 layer of security, LRSAM, MR-SAM, SR-SAM
3. 3rd layer of security is Carrier itself, the SAM on carrier
4. 4th layer of security is gatelling gun, it create a wall of bullets in front of invader...
Courtesy : @Beerbal
Conclusion : A Vintage Missile CM400AKG has NO MATCH for the Next Generation Brahmos !
