Myanmar violates Bangladesh airspace again; Dhaka protests

[Bilal9]

Do not talk about issues, you have ZERO knowledge of.
There are millions of Hindus and they are increasing each day. Hindus, Hindu temples are protected and flourish in Sri Lanka. What we had was a terrorist and a separatist war which killed lakhs of people and two heads of states which was listed as the most brutal terrorist org by FBI.

SL has maintained religious coexistence to an amazing standard even living with a separatist terrorist problem for 30 years. You can see even Pakistani refugees come to SL seeking asylum.
http://www.ceylontoday.lk/print20170401CT20170630.php?id=20565

Little knowledge is useless buddy. You need to get more educated on it


If you watch news in your own country you will know by now, Southern states and TN in particular were crazily against Hindi language last days. The Tamils specifically suffer from an ultra linguistic nationalism. It can be compared to Hitler's Nazism. Sri Lanka suffered a result of Tamil linguistic nationalism. There is a lot of history in SL issue and do not talk about things you have half knowledge or no knowledge at all.

The Hindus or Christian Tamils could lead a normal life only in areas ruled by the government of SL.


Yes LTTE killed people without even considering their age or gender. Little kids were dashed onto tree trunks and were killed. SL went through that for 30 years and we took action against it like any responsible government should do. In fact SL showed more patience unnecessarily. It is THAT LEGAL action taken by a LEGAL government which is called as a Buddhist Nationalism/Extremism by these Indian LTTE supporters.
This is what their LTTE did

And if it was Buddhist Nationalism, ask these Indian LTTE supporter what the LTTE was doing inside mosques hacking people to death!
kattankudy mosque massacre

There is nothing called political Buddhism. But SL has been a traditionally Buddhist country and gives it that recognition. There is NO Buddhism based legal structure in SL. SL constitution is secular. The only place it has violated secular principles in constitution was allowing some of the Islamic rules for Muslims.

What SL had was an ethnic issue based on linguistic nationalism, religion hardly played any role here. And there are not anybody who are stateless in SL.


What we had was Sinhala was made official langauge and Tamil only a regional langauge. But now it is different and both are official languages. Currently the government has to issue every gazzette and every doc in all three langauges ( Sinhala, Tamil and Eng) which is very costly

Brother please delete these images - they violate forum rules. We get the point. And Sri Lanka discussion is also off topic. Joe dada, let's not discuss OT subject.

 

[Juggernaut_Flat_Plane_V8]

It's stomach-turning. Incidentally, Theravada Buddhism in Burma and in Sri Lanka are theologically similar, and opposed (theologically) to the Mahayana, to which the Dalai Lama belongs. It's Protestants vs. Catholics, Shia vs. Sunni, but they don't (yet) kill each other. It is the Theravada school that seems to go bananas from time to time; it happened in Sri Lanka around the 40s of the last century, and accelerated to the point where they would have got rid of the original Lankan Tamils, the Jaffna Tamils. Now we see the same sickening development in Burma.

Nothing to do particularly with Theravada Buddhism , but its rather that Theravadin countries see Buddhism as an inalienable part of their identity.......Mahayana Buddhist countries such as Japan,China,S Korea,Vietnam donot see Buddhism as an in alienable part of their identity.....Tibetans,Bhutanese are of Vajrayana/Tantrayana Buddhists and a subset of Mahayana ,,the only somewhat progressive Theravadin country is Thailand but that's because of King Ram Mongkut's efforts to make the country more Scientific,rational and Western..he was a celibate monk for 26 years in the forest by the way................of all the three branches of Buddhism, the most superstitious and farthest from rationality would be Tantrayana/Vajrayana Buddhism..I cannot for the life of me see a Tantrayana civilization inculcating a scientific temper among its monks..all the Tibetan monks learning science is just lip service..either they remain stuck in their parochial superstitious outlook or they become convinced atheists like Stephen Batchelor

 

[HeinzG]

It's stomach-turning. Incidentally, Theravada Buddhism in Burma and in Sri Lanka are theologically similar, and opposed (theologically) to the Mahayana, to which the Dalai Lama belongs. It's Protestants vs. Catholics, Shia vs. Sunni, but they don't (yet) kill each other. It is the Theravada school that seems to go bananas from time to time; it happened in Sri Lanka around the 40s of the last century, and accelerated to the point where they would have got rid of the original Lankan Tamils, the Jaffna Tamils. Now we see the same sickening development in Burma.

This is not a problem of Buddhism. Buddha did not preach violence towards anyone. But, people are inherently violent. They do what they seems fit. So, don't drag religion in to this mess. This is purely a political struggle which happens to have belligerents from two different religions.

Moreover, no one is Sri Lanka tried to get rid of Jaffna Tamils except for the Tamil plantation workers whom were forcefully settled in the Sinhalese hinterland. This issue was also peacefully settled down with India where Sri Lanka agreed to grant citizenship for the half of the alien population.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Brother please delete these images - they violate forum rules. We get the point. And Sri Lanka discussion is also off topic. Joe dada, let's not discuss OT subject.

Sorry. Noted.

This is not a problem of Buddhism. Buddha did not preach violence towards anyone. But, people are inherently violent. They do what they seems fit. So, don't drag religion in to this mess. This is purely a political struggle which happens to have belligerents from two different religions.

Moreover, no one is Sri Lanka tried to get rid of Jaffna Tamils except for the Tamil plantation workers whom were forcefully settled in the Sinhalese hinterland. This issue was also peacefully settled down with India where Sri Lanka agreed to grant citizenship for the half of the alien population.

Just on a point of fact: Jaffna Tamils were not the same as the Tamil plantation workers, who were recent migrants brought in by British tea planters.

 

[TopCat]

This is not a problem of Buddhism. Buddha did not preach violence towards anyone. But, people are inherently violent. They do what they seems fit. So, don't drag religion in to this mess. This is purely a political struggle which happens to have belligerents from two different religions.

Moreover, no one is Sri Lanka tried to get rid of Jaffna Tamils except for the Tamil plantation workers whom were forcefully settled in the Sinhalese hinterland. This issue was also peacefully settled down with India where Sri Lanka agreed to grant citizenship for the half of the alien population.

I think all the Tamil Plantation worker in BD and erstwhile east pakistan became de-fecto citizen after independence. Why was it different in Sri Lanka? Same story for MM Rohingya. And coincidentally both are buddhist country.

 

[Michael Corleone]

This is not a problem of Buddhism. Buddha did not preach violence towards anyone. But, people are inherently violent. They do what they seems fit. So, don't drag religion in to this mess. This is purely a political struggle which happens to have belligerents from two different religions.

Moreover, no one is Sri Lanka tried to get rid of Jaffna Tamils except for the Tamil plantation workers whom were forcefully settled in the Sinhalese hinterland. This issue was also peacefully settled down with India where Sri Lanka agreed to grant citizenship for the half of the alien population.

i agree... no religion afaik preaches violence... it's people within those who do in the name of god for their own agenda......

 

[Juggernaut_Flat_Plane_V8]

i agree... no religion afaik preaches violence... it's people within those who do in the name of god for their own agenda......

Buddhism doesnot have a God..it's non-theistic..

 

[HeinzG]

Just on a point of fact: Jaffna Tamils were not the same as the Tamil plantation workers, who were recent migrants brought in by British tea planters.

Yes. Jaffna Tamils were brought in by the Dutch for tabacco plantations.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Yes. Jaffna Tamils were brought in by the Dutch for tabacco plantations.

Sorry, that is an old obsession of yours and has no support except among Sinhala fanatics.

 

[bdslph]

we can do all bla bla bla we did that since 90s so burma will do it again and again

 

[HeinzG]

I think all the Tamil Plantation worker in BD and erstwhile east pakistan became de-fecto citizen after independence. Why was it different in Sri Lanka? Same story for MM Rohingya. And coincidentally both are buddhist country.

Sinhalese did not want to grant the citizenship for the alien Tamil plantation workers because they were settled deep in the Sinhalese hinterland. They believed that the Tamils might change the demographic balance of the "pure" central highlands thus eroding the Sinhalese rule over the mountains. The upcountry Sinhalese are proud bunch of people who consider themselves even superior to the low country Sinhalese.

Some of these plantation workers were resettled by the newly elected local governments after the Independence in Tamil dominated North and East while the rest was bargained with India. Incidentally India took half of the population and the rest was kept by Sri Lanka granting them full citizenship. Today descendants of these people are well off than their counterparts in Wanni or in the East.

Sorry, that is an old obsession of yours and has no support except among Sinhala fanatics.

It is a well known fact but many tries to ignore it for the sake of communal harmony. There is no shame is accepting the reality. But that's what the Sri Lankan Tamils don't want to do in the first place.

 

[HeinzG]

Would have got rid of the original Lankan Tamils? There was a move to impose one language on the whole country and have reservation based policy in the govt/civil sector to help Sinhalese compared to situation inherited from British Raj, and fight Tamil autonomy/nationalist currents that spawned (modern nation state wise) in SL since the early 20th century...and yes a lot did get overblown on both sides....but I am unaware of any large popular intention/backing of "ridding" all the original Lankan Tamils (Jaffna, Batticalao and Trinicomalali)....esp on any religious basis.

It was largely political....that later did take some cultural and religious hues (as it almost inevitably would anywhere with the degree of the conflict) in various ways but it always remained rooted in a political conflict (and hence why the island is quite peaceful after the LTTE were defeated and bilingual state + various local autonomy got enshrined, i.e all factors that caused the conflict in the first place). Colombo had a majority Tamil population during height of the SL civil war....and many places of worship were both Buddhist/Hindu even during worst of the so called religious/cultural oriented violence (which had a extremist Church angle to it on the LTTE side). Maybe @Gibbs @HeinzG can add/correct to this if they want.

It is very different to Rohingya crisis in that matter. I simply do not see much fundamentally connecting and integrating the Rohingya and Local Rakhine Burmese other than by peculiar traverse of history they are living in the same spot of land. Thus a perceived partition legacy more easily arises.

No one has ever dremt of ridding the Tamils from Sri Lanka. In fact Tamils in the early 20th century regarded as cousins by the Sinhalese people. They even elected a Tamil as their own representative in 1910s. Everything began to fall apart when Tamils turned to demand more power than they were democratically allowed. Which in fact was a creation of favoritism in British civil service.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Sinhalese did not want to grant the citizenship for the alien Tamil plantation workers because they were settled deep in the Sinhalese hinterland. They believed that the Tamils might change the demographic balance of the "pure" central highlands thus eroding the Sinhalese rule over the mountains. The upcountry Sinhalese are proud bunch of people who consider themselves even superior to the low country Sinhalese.

Some of these plantation workers were resettled by the newly elected local governments after the Independence in Tamil dominated North and East while the rest was bargained with India. Incidentally India took half of the population and the rest was kept by Sri Lanka granting them full citizenship. Today descendants of these people are well off than their counterparts in Wanni or in the East.



It is a well known fact but many tries to ignore it for the sake of communal harmony. There is no shame is accepting the reality. But that's what the Sri Lankan Tamils don't want to do in the first place.

Sorry, @HeinzG, I know that this is your hobby-horse, but you aren't going to get much change out of this. Jaffna Tamils are Jaffna Tamils, and they are centuries old in Sri Lanka; plantation Tamils are plantation Tamils, and they are decades old, less than two centuries old, in Sri Lanka.

And I honestly won't waste your time discussing this non-issue. You may record your pro-forma protest - or whatever - but that's it

 

[Kaushika]

no wonder even Dalai Lama , was like WTF man ? these Myanmar Buddist are transforming the face of Buddist religion but in the process the masses of people will die which is always sad thing .. the pics i saw live*leak of kids been tortured and killed i wont hesitate to call them Buddist ISIS.

But but terror have no face( Relihion) ?

 

[YeBeWarned]

But but terror have no face( Relihion) ?

Of course it doesn't .. people need to learn that, Terrorism or Terrorist cant be just associate with Muslims/Islam .. there are other religious people doing terrorism in the name of their religions .. but religion has not to be blamed but the people who are doing these sick things