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[SarthakGanguly]

it will be a slow & painful death , it has already begun

I am telling you - there will be no more partition. It's either the non Muslims will survive, or they will have to convert. No more partitions, I assure you.

You Have reddy Christians & Kamma Christians(found in AP & karnataka), Brahmin Christians,Vokkaligga Christians[All are UCCs] then OBC/BC Christians & then SC Christians.

A single law can be passed to invalidate their conversions - provided they converted in the last two centuries. The churches established by them in particular can then be confiscated, and assets liquidated.

 

[Armstrong]

There will be no more partitions. One will live. The other will perish.

You didn't intern for the SS at Himmler 's personal desk in a past life, by any chance or did you ?

 

[SarthakGanguly]

You didn't intern for the SS at Himmler 's personal desk in a past life, by any chance or did you ?

Jawohl, mein Sturmbannfuhrer.

Err, I mean storm banned the fuhrer.

Seriously though, it is true. All sides are capable of shedding blood now and there is no one side silencer like Mahatma either. So it's best to sow the fear of another Partition. At least folks will think twice before even....thinking.

 

[doppelganger]

Do post the link for that debate

I can't find it bro. Basically the Greenpeace fiasco where they went crying to the British Parliament to protect of all things the rights of Indian Adivasis. I cannot think of anything more hilarious, ironic, and frankly disgusting being done by any self respecting Indian.

And it included some Christian father (seen him on TV many times) who similarly went whining to depose before some American Christian body about tretament of Christians in India. And India in some report on religious freedom gets ranked alongside Pakistan.

If just for ONE WEEK we make the minorities of Indian feel like what it is to be a minority of Pakistan ......

Just one week .....

 

[Tshering22]

This is an entirely new type to me. Please expand on it if you can.

Secularists.

I knew it that the Church was playing dirty tricks!

They always do with people here in the NE if they want to convert a certain tribe or community to Christianity.

You guys of north and rest of India used to think that these guys are anything better than their jihadi counterparts?

Hell no.

They are the same; they agenda is to destroy your and our common cultures and instill their middle eastern religions as a means to control resources, economy and wealth generated from India.

The soul is satisfied - Modi has broken his silence (stupidly). It's almost like an admission of guilt.

PM Modi was very candid in telling that he won't allow either minorities as well to create havoc.

Re-read his transcript again.

Basically, the Church is expediting their own demise here.

 

[Dash]

When Modi was giving the statement it was not for the nutheads who in someway think that they have won a political dream. It was for the the million minorities who don't even understand the sad affaires of state. So I won't blame him although the timing when he said was more constitutional than being practical.

We are equally saddened by some sects of ours who have done damage to Hindu culture by acting on the behest of radicalism and those acts in totality have been framed against us to be used as an weapon.

I for once don't care if the vested interests have taken a jibe upon us and have succeeded. Yet I know that my culture will survive with peace and nobility like it has for 10000 years.

I hope Modi knows it

 

[axisofevil]

Follow the money. Always.

Jihadism. Follow the money.

Naxalism. Follow the money.

Evangelism. Follow the money.

Environemental Activism. Follow the money.

Urban Anarchism. Follow the money.

THE TRUTH

I hope you guys realize there are different Christian Churches and some in particular do not convert. Know your enemy before you spew nonsense.

 

[doppelganger]

THE TRUTH

I hope you guys realize there are different Christian Churches and some in particular do not convert. Know your enemy before you spew nonsense.

Huh? Did you even understand what I was referring to with reference to Arnab's debate?

I've even elaborated on it in later posts.

You have a problem, speak about it face to face and solve it within ourselves. As Indians. One people.

Don't go whining and crying to the whites with the big Pound and Dollar purses that maintain stedy pipelines into India.

 

[Tshering22]

THE TRUTH

I hope you guys realize there are different Christian Churches and some in particular do not convert. Know your enemy before you spew nonsense.

The problem is only Baptist, Catholic and Evangelist sections.

But how can others know? Why don't the other sections of the Christian community come out and condemn the attacks against majority community and sister faiths?

Silence is simply agreeing to the wrongs.

 

[doppelganger]

PM Modi was very candid in telling that he won't allow either minorities as well to create havoc.

Re-read his transcript again.

Basically, the Church is expediting their own demise here.

You got it perfectly.

I am surprised why people are either gloating or are morose, depending on their respective camps here.

This is Modi we are talking about. Not some namby pamby.

The days of different sauces for goose and gandr are soon going to end in India. Same rules for everybody. Go cry rivers in front of foreign anglo saxon benefactors after that.

 

[axisofevil]

The problem is only Baptist, Catholic and Evangelist sections.

But how can others know? Why don't the other sections of the Christian community come out and condemn the attacks against majority community and sister faiths?

Silence is simply agreeing to the wrongs.

I think you have seen me argue against these leeches. The problem is our voice never gets heard and the media will only focus on what sells. I agree the 3 churches you mentioned enjoy strong political and financial support from Vatican and US Right Wing.

More than that, most ppl don't pay too much attention depending on where you live.


I understand why conversion is an issue but is it a crime? Hindus need to step up and regulate their temples better, so ppl are not driven away so easily. I think that's a major issue why ppl are tempted to convert. The resources given such as education, housing, help, network, etc. thi has been stated by Hindu's who compare their conditions.


Don't forget missionaries made big inroads under the British in Kerala, but what we overlook is how the lower caste Hindus were treated at the time. This was the land Swami Vivekanda stated was a lunatic asylum. Some of the lower classes would run away on their accord and embraced these two religions which allowed them to obtain a better life for their families. In fact, a person who was previously a Hindu Dalit could automatically change their social status and outlook by simply converting. They were no longer looked down upon. The time period I am refering to is 100yrs ago.



Read this to get an idea of what Swami Vivekanda felt and learned

Maddy's Ramblings: Vivekanada's Lunatic Kerala

 

[Tshering22]

You have seen me argue against these leeches. The problem is our voice enver gets heard, and the media will only focus on what sells. I agree the 3 churches you mentioned enjy strong political and financial support from Vatican and US Right Wing.

I think some Christians have this fear that hindus would alienate and take away their rights in the future. More than that, most ppl don't pay too much attention.

If they wanted to do that to you guys, they could have done it post 1947 and in all the years when Christian population was nothing.

If they haven't done it till now, what makes you think they will?

Jews, Parsis, Bon etc have enjoyed all the freedoms that the Hindus get. Instead, it is Hindus, us and others of this land that are getting threatened. For the first time, census shows Hindus just below 80% mark, though combined with us and Sikhs they still maintain above 80% mark.

I understand why conversion is an issue but is it a crime? Hindus need to step up and regulate their temples better, so ppl are not driven away so easily.

What do you have to say about us then?

Are we not managing our temples and pagodas well too?

Listen, conversion is something neither us nor the Hindus appreciate.

And there will be consequences for that. If you are thinking that Hindu nationalists are isolated in this agenda, no they aren't.

We are also against this and the Church has to stop this before it really gets as ugly as what it has with the Religion of Peace.

Keep middle eastern religions in Middle East if they cannot accept and respect the culture of the land where they are allowed to be practised.

 

[Echo_419]

I can't find it bro. Basically the Greenpeace fiasco where they went crying to the British Parliament to protect of all things the rights of Indian Adivasis. I cannot think of anything more hilarious, ironic, and frankly disgusting being done by any self respecting Indian.

And it included some Christian father (seen him on TV many times) who similarly went whining to depose before some American Christian body about tretament of Christians in India. And India in some report on religious freedom gets ranked alongside Pakistan.

If just for ONE WEEK we make the minorities of Indian feel like what it is to be a minority of Pakistan ......

Just one week .....

That would certainly tell them in what heaven they are currently

The problem is only Baptist, Catholic and Evangelist sections.

But how can others know? Why don't the other sections of the Christian community come out and condemn the attacks against majority community and sister faiths?

Silence is simply agreeing to the wrongs.

I agree with this both Liberal & Indian Muslims & Christians should openly condemn this

 

[axisofevil]

If they wanted to do that to you guys, they could have done it post 1947 and in all the years when Christian population was nothing.

If they haven't done it till now, what makes you think they will?

Jews, Parsis, Bon etc have enjoyed all the freedoms that the Hindus get. Instead, it is Hindus, us and others of this land that are getting threatened. For the first time, census shows Hindus just below 80% mark, though combined with us and Sikhs they still maintain above 80% mark.



What do you have to say about us then?

Are we not managing our temples and pagodas well too?

Listen, conversion is something neither us nor the Hindus appreciate.

And there will be consequences for that. If you are thinking that Hindu nationalists are isolated in this agenda, no they aren't.

We are also against this and the Church has to stop this before it really gets as ugly as what it has with the Religion of Peace.

Keep middle eastern religions in Middle East if they cannot accept and respect the culture of the land where they are allowed to be practised.

I didn't say I had any fear. I think its the our democracy has evolved into grabbing power based on our religous identity. Its not right and sucks but its evident all around us.


Ideas and emotions can change when ppl have absolute power, but like I said earlier, I doubt its an issue.


I wasn't referrring to the management of temples and such. I was pointing out the services. There was an issue where Hindus in UP were complaining how come the Hindu priests dont do the same for their community, the way the Church does for their own. They were referring to housing, education, etc. A lot of promise are made but none are kept. People are not blind and they see how others are doing well.


There may be issues but it will never affect us in Kerala. That is the reality.

The Church does not listen to me, it hs its own agenda. Do you think the Vatican or some US ring winger represents me? Of course not. I am not fool. I can see how money and other stuff is being used to facilitate conversion. The same is going on with Muslims and their conversions.


What I am trying to get across to you and others is that Hinduism has to change in some ways and embrace some new perspectives which it regularly does but it should be institutionalized to compete with these other orgnized religions. It's a calculated game. Make Hinduism so attractive to those being targeted for converson, so that they will never convert. But empty promises and false hopes will bring anger and stress. You must learn to compete by giving good education, resources, help, etc....the same way Christians and Muslims do.


Otherwise, as you mentioned riots will ensue and while the extremists may "win"...India will loose because the world will use it to slow us down considerably.


Read this

Maddy's Ramblings: Vivekanada's Lunatic Kerala

 

[doppelganger]

Otherwise, as you mentioned riots will ensue and while the extremists may "win"...India will loose because the world will use it to slow us down considerably.

I don't see Hindu Christian riots happening anytime soon.