Must Read: Crying wolf: The narrative of the ‘Delhi church attacks’ flies in the face of facts

[doppelganger]

You guys are reading it wrong.

What you are seeing is the after effects of the Christian domination of education institutions in India and its effects on the Media and general public.

All those convent educated kids who then go to St. Xaviers (example) end up convinced about the benevolent nature of Christianity and worse, they feel some sort of debt to the religion.

You want to exit Alice in wonderland, take back all the land stolen from the people of India or make these educational institutions free of religious control. Make them public property and public institutions.

This is a urban myth.

I am a Hindu nationalist. And I studied in a Jesuit school all my life.

There is no better way to know the games people play than to grow up in their homes and see them playing them.

There is no school or missionary more powerful than the family. The first chink in the armor is a crack at home. That is what they use and widen and then get in.

So if you really want to stop people converting to Christianity, stop the flow of money from outside. See the Christian community in India, the native community. See them in your lives around you. And then ask yourselves, does this community have the pockets to buy the faith of Indians on their own? The answer is no. Yet thousands convert to Christiantiy. Why? Where are the goodies coming from?

Hope you guys saw Arnab's debate No. 2 last night and saw the true face of the enemy.

 

[MokshaVimukthi]

This is a urban myth.

I am a Hindu nationalist. And I studied in a Jesuit school all my life.

There is no better way to know the games people play than to grow up in their homes and see them playing them.

There is no school or missionary more powerful than the family. The first chink in the armor is a crack at home. That is what they use and widen and then get in.

So if you really want to stop people converting to Christianity, stop the flow of money from outside. See the Christian community in India, the native community. See them in your lives around you. And then ask yourselves, does this community have the pockets to buy the faith of Indians on their own? The answer is no. Yet thousands convert to Christiantiy. Why? Where are the goodies coming from?

Hope you guys saw Arnab's debate No. 2 last night and saw the true face of the enemy.

I am NOT talking about conversion.

I am talking about the SOFT POWER exerted by the CHRISTIANS. ............ and the HARD POWER exerted by the Christians.

A Power they use AGAINST Hindutva and arguably against Hindus.


Finally, I never watch Arnab debate.

 

[doppelganger]

I am NOT talking about conversion.

I am talking about the SOFT POWER exerted by the CHRISTIANS. ............ and the HARD POWER exerted by the Christians.

A Power they use AGAINST Hindutva and arguably against Hindus.

Finally, I never watch Arnab debate.

The soft power that some anti-national Indian Christians can drum up against India is only as effective as how Christian nations want to engage with a Hindu India.

Not one iota more from a nuisance value.

 

[SamantK]

The lack of pseudo-seculars and Pakistanis is sorely being missed on this thread.

Itni bhi kya nafrat

 

[MokshaVimukthi]

The soft power that some anti-national Indian Christians can drum up against India is only as effective as how Chritian nations want to engage with a Hindu India.

Not one iota more from a nuisance value.

Its powerful enough to make the PM of India speak about protecting the religious rights of Indians in an function organised by the Syro-Malabar Catholic Church to celebrate the elevation to sainthood of Father Kuriakose Elias Chavara and Mother Euphrasia.


If this was not enough, Major Archbishop of Syro-Malabar Church Cardinal George Alencherry said Christians were peace-loving people, but “this should not, however, be used to trample us.” The Cardinal appealed to the Prime Minister to look into the issue of Dalit Christian rights.

Cardinal George Alencherry, Major Archbishop of Syro-Malabar Church, said: “The government’s alleged plans to bring in new laws [regarding conversion] will create animosity and destroy peace and harmony in the country.”


In other words, its a THREAT. Unless they are allowed Conversion by THEIR RULES, expect ALL sort of Problems. ....... Obama included.


If you want to fight something, recognize its power. Don't be blind, just because what you see is ugly.

 

[doppelganger]

Its powerful enough to make the PM of India speak about protecting the religious rights of Indians in an function organised by the Syro-Malabar Catholic Church to celebrate the elevation to sainthood of Father Kuriakose Elias Chavara and Mother Euphrasia.


If this was not enough, Major Archbishop of Syro-Malabar Church Cardinal George Alencherry said Christians were peace-loving people, but “this should not, however, be used to trample us.” The Cardinal appealed to the Prime Minister to look into the issue of Dalit Christian rights.

Cardinal George Alencherry, Major Archbishop of Syro-Malabar Church, said: “The government’s alleged plans to bring in new laws [regarding conversion] will create animosity and destroy peace and harmony in the country.”


In other words, its a THREAT. Unless they are allowed Conversion by THEIR RULES, expect ALL sort of Problems. ....... Obama included.

If you want to fight something, recognize its power. Don't be blind, just because what you see is ugly.

I have a different view on this.

If you follw my recent aside with @SarthakGanguly you would get what it is.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

There will be no more partitions. One will live. The other will perish.

actually i wouldn't mind if it creates a big israel , with hindus finally realizing their mistakes over the centuries . Even with a smaller piece of land we can be a force in the world , but we should keep our lands clean from garbage . No more sympathies , no more gandhi talk . That would be much better in fact than the current day situation .

just look at israel

 

[Echo_419]

This is a urban myth.

I am a Hindu nationalist. And I studied in a Jesuit school all my life.

There is no better way to know the games people play than to grow up in their homes and see them playing them.

There is no school or missionary more powerful than the family. The first chink in the armor is a crack at home. That is what they use and widen and then get in.

So if you really want to stop people converting to Christianity, stop the flow of money from outside. See the Christian community in India, the native community. See them in your lives around you. And then ask yourselves, does this community have the pockets to buy the faith of Indians on their own? The answer is no. Yet thousands convert to Christiantiy. Why? Where are the goodies coming from?

Hope you guys saw Arnab's debate No. 2 last night and saw the true face of the enemy.

Do post the link for that debate

Its powerful enough to make the PM of India speak about protecting the religious rights of Indians in an function organised by the Syro-Malabar Catholic Church to celebrate the elevation to sainthood of Father Kuriakose Elias Chavara and Mother Euphrasia.


If this was not enough, Major Archbishop of Syro-Malabar Church Cardinal George Alencherry said Christians were peace-loving people, but “this should not, however, be used to trample us.” The Cardinal appealed to the Prime Minister to look into the issue of Dalit Christian rights.

Cardinal George Alencherry, Major Archbishop of Syro-Malabar Church, said: “The government’s alleged plans to bring in new laws [regarding conversion] will create animosity and destroy peace and harmony in the country.”


In other words, its a THREAT. Unless they are allowed Conversion by THEIR RULES, expect ALL sort of Problems. ....... Obama included.


If you want to fight something, recognize its power. Don't be blind, just because what you see is ugly.

Christianity was supposed to help us solve this caste problem,WTF is Dalit Christians

 

[MokshaVimukthi]

Christianity was supposed to help us solve this caste problem,WTF is Dalit Christians

Children of a lesser god

 

[Echo_419]

Children of a lesser god

Christian leaders in India must address these problems

 

[MokshaVimukthi]

Christian leaders in India must address these problems

They are, by asking Modi to provide Reservation ............. that is what this means "The Cardinal appealed to the Prime Minister to look into the issue of Dalit Christian rights."

 

[Diggy]

There will be no more partitions. One will live. The other will perish.

it will be a slow & painful death , it has already begun

 

[Darmashkian]

@Echo_419

Dalit Christians are dalits who have converted to christianity...

And yes christianity also has it's caste problems.
You Have reddy Christians & Kamma Christians(found in AP & karnataka), Brahmin Christians,Vokkaligga Christians[All are UCCs] then OBC/BC Christians & then SC Christians.

In some churches the front benches are reserved for the UCCs & OBCCs while the SCCs are supposed to sit at the last few rows which are uncomfortable compared to the first. In some places they aren't allowed to sit down anywhere & are told to stand during the entire ceremony. The UCCs & OBCCs & SCCs all have their different doorways to enter the chuch, in some places SCCs have their own church & aren't allowed to enter the churches of the UCCs or the OBCCs

I even heard that in TN, Nadar Christians & Vanniyar Christians(BCCs) have their own graveyards while Dalit Christians have their own graveyards.
In many places, people who are descendants of converts or are converts themselves follow the caste system.

SOURCE:- News papers+ Magazines+one youtube video on caste in india[/QUOTE]

 

[Echo_419]

They are, by asking Modi to provide Reservation ............. that is what this means "The Cardinal appealed to the Prime Minister to look into the issue of Dalit Christian rights."

The whole point of converting to Christianity neutralizes right there

 

[MokshaVimukthi]

The whole point of converting to Christianity neutralizes right there

Its the new "secular" battle ........... first reservation to muslims and then reservations to christians. Hindus must be punished for being Hindus.

This of course is different from the Reservation they already enjoy for "Minority" educational institutions

The less said about "rights" the better.