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Muslim Europe: the demographic time bomb transforming our continent

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Britain and the rest of the European Union are ignoring a demographic time bomb: a recent rush into the EU by migrants, including millions of Muslims, will change the continent beyond recognition over the next two decades, and almost no policy-makers are talking about it.

The numbers are startling. Only 3.2 per cent of Spain's population was foreign-born in 1998. In 2007 it was 13.4 per cent. Europe's Muslim population has more than doubled in the past 30 years and will have doubled again by 2015. In Brussels, the top seven baby boys' names recently were Mohamed, Adam, Rayan, Ayoub, Mehdi, Amine and Hamza.

Europe's low white birth rate, coupled with faster multiplying migrants, will change fundamentally what we take to mean by European culture and society. The altered population mix has far-reaching implications for education, housing, welfare, labour, the arts and everything in between. It could have a critical impact on foreign policy: a study was submitted to the US Air Force on how America's relationship with Europe might evolve. Yet EU officials admit that these issues are not receiving the attention they deserve.

Jerome Vignon, the director for employment and social affairs at the European Commission, said that the focus of those running the EU had been on asylum seekers and the control of migration rather than the integration of those already in the bloc. "It has certainly been underestimated - there is a general rhetoric that social integration of migrants should be given as much importance as monitoring the inflow of migrants." But, he said, the rhetoric had rarely led to policy.

The countries of the EU have long histories of welcoming migrants, but in recent years two significant trends have emerged. Migrants have come increasingly from outside developed economies, and they have come in accelerating numbers.


The growing Muslim population is of particular interest. This is not because Muslims are the only immigrants coming into the EU in large numbers; there are plenty of entrants from all points of the compass. But Muslims represent a particular set of issues beyond the fact that atrocities have been committed in the West in the name of Islam.

America's Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life, part of the non-partisan Pew Research Center, said in a report: "These [EU] countries possess deep historical, cultural, religious and linguistic traditions. Injecting hundreds of thousands, and in some cases millions, of people who look, speak and act differently into these settings often makes for a difficult social fit."

How dramatic are the population changes? Everyone is aware that certain neighbourhoods of certain cities in Europe are becoming more Muslim, and that the change is gathering pace. But raw details are hard to come by as the data is sensitive: many countries in the EU do not collect population statistics by religion.

EU numbers on general immigration tell a story on their own. In the latter years of the 20th century, the 27 countries of the EU attracted half a million more people a year than left. "Since 2002, however," the latest EU report says, "net migration into the EU has roughly tripled to between 1.6 million and two million people per year."

The increased pace has made a nonsense of previous forecasts. In 2004 the EU thought its population would decline by 16 million by 2050. Now it thinks it will increase by 10 million by 2060. Britain is expected to become the most populous EU country by 2060, with 77 million inhabitants. Right now it has 20 million fewer people than Germany. Italy's population was expected to fall precipitously; now it is predicted to stay flat.

The study for the US Air Force by Leon Perkowski in 2006 found that there were at least 15 million Muslims in the EU, and possibly as many as 23 million. They are not uniformly distributed, of course. According to the US's Migration Policy Institute, residents of Muslim faith will account for more than 20 per cent of the EU population by 2050 but already do so in a number of cities. Whites will be in a minority in Birmingham by 2026, says Christopher Caldwell, an American journalist, and even sooner in Leicester. Another forecast holds that Muslims could outnumber non-Muslims in France and perhaps in all of western Europe by mid-century. Austria was 90 per cent Catholic in the 20th century but Islam could be the majority religion among Austrians aged under 15 by 2050, says Mr Caldwell.

Projected growth rates are a disputed area. Birth rates can be difficult to predict and migrant numbers can ebb and flow. But Karoly Lorant, a Hungarian economist who wrote a paper for the European Parliament, calculates that Muslims already make up 25 per cent of the population in Marseilles and Rotterdam, 20 per cent in Malmo, 15 per cent in Brussels and Birmingham and 10 per cent in London, Paris and Copenhagen.

Recent polls have tended to show that the feared radicalisation of Europe's Muslims has not occurred. That gives hope that the newcomers will integrate successfully. Nonetheless, second and third generations of Muslims show signs of being harder to integrate than their parents. Policy Exchange, a British study group, found that more than 70 per cent of Muslims over 55 felt that they had as much in common with non-Muslims as Muslims. But this fell to 62 per cent of 16-24 year-olds.

The population changes are stirring unease on the ground. Europeans often tell pollsters that they have had enough immigration, but politicians largely avoid debate.

France banned the wearing of the hijab veil in schools and stopped the wearing of large crosses and the yarmulke too, so making it harder to argue that the law was aimed solely at Muslims. Britain has strengthened its laws on religious hatred. But these are generally isolated pieces of legislation.

Into the void has stepped a resurgent group of extreme-Right political parties, among them the British National Party, which gained two seats at recent elections to the European Parliament. Geert Wilders, the Dutch politician who speaks against Islam and was banned this year from entering Britain, has led opinion polls in Holland.

The Pew Forum identified the mainstream silence in 2005: "The fact that [extreme parties] have risen to prominence at all speaks poorly about the state and quality of the immigration debate. [Scholars] have argued that European elites have yet to fully grapple with the broader issues of race and identity surrounding Muslims and other groups for fear of being seen as politically incorrect."

The starting point should be greater discussion of integration. Does it matter at all? Yes, claims Mr Vignon at the European Commission. Without it, polarisation and ghettoes can result. "It's bad because it creates antagonism. It antagonises poor people against other poor people: people with low educational attainment feel threatened," he says.

The EU says employment rates for non-EU nationals are lower than for nationals, which holds back economic advancement and integration. One important reason for this is a lack of language skills. The Migration Policy Institute says that, in 2007, 28 per cent of children born in England and Wales had at least one foreign-born parent. That rose to 54 per cent in London. Overall in 2008, 14.4 per cent of children in primary schools had a language other than English as their first language.

Muslims, who are a hugely diverse group, have so far shown little inclination to organise politically on lines of race or religion. But that does not mean their voices are being ignored. Germany started to reform its voting laws 10 years ago, granting certain franchise rights to the large Turkish population. It would be odd if that did not alter the country's stance on Turkey's application to join the EU. Mr Perkowski's study says: "Faced with rapidly growing, disenfranchised and increasingly politically empowered Muslim populations within the borders of some of its oldest and strongest allies, the US could be faced with ever stronger challenges to its Middle East foreign policies."

Demography will force politicians to confront these issues sooner rather than later. Recently, some have started to nudge the debate along. Angel Gurría, the OECD secretary-general, said in June: "Migration is not a tap that can be turned on and off at will. We need fair and effective migration and integration policies; policies that work and adjust to both good economic times and bad ones."

Muslim Europe: the demographic time bomb transforming our continent - Telegraph
 
Boo-hoo article.

Bottom line is, there's roughly 500 million Europeans, of those 23 million are Muslims.
With 2 Muslim countries included in the pop. count (Albania, Bosnia), that's like 5%. And im sure at least 4% are working, honest people.

I never believe much in predictions, so i cant say about doubling the Muslim populace by 2015 but there's tougher immigration laws now everywhere.
And well off second gen. Muslims aren't radicalized and have 1-2 kids. The life tempo forces you to not have more.
Ofcourse a different tune is for the people on welfare....all they do is screw around and make babies because the more babies you have.... more money you get from welfare.
 
Boo-hoo article.

Bottom line is, there's roughly 500 million Europeans, of those 23 million are Muslims.
With 2 Muslim countries included in the pop. count (Albania, Bosnia), that's like 5%. And im sure at least 4% are working, honest people.

I never believe much in predictions, so i cant say about doubling the Muslim populace by 2015 but there's tougher immigration laws now everywhere.
And well off second gen. Muslims aren't radicalized and have 1-2 kids. The life tempo forces you to not have more.
Ofcourse a different tune is for the people on welfare....all they do is screw around and make babies because the more babies you have.... more money you get from welfare.



Looks like you are not in Britain... Once I got a chance to visit some area of London. They are not london any more, they are turned into London-abad.

Ppl like Anjem Xhaudhary are second generation Brit Muslims. Terrorism and Radicalism has nothing to do with education. Educated ppl are more radicals...
 
Looks like you are not in Britain... Once I got a chance to visit some area of London. They are not london any more, they are turned into London-abad.

Ppl like Anjem Xhaudhary are second generation Brit Muslims. Terrorism and Radicalism has nothing to do with education. Educated ppl are more radicals...

No, i am not from Britain. Also, London isnt Britain. And yes, ive been there, seen it. I dont mind it as long as they dont try to enforce anything. If they do, well....we have good history with cattle cars and transportation. ;)
You need to ask a UK member how they feel about it though, i was just a tourist.

In re to Anjem Chaudry: I didnt mean educated per se. I meant people that have something to live for, constructive members of society who work so they can buy a house, to raise kids, get a promotion. Those people dont radicalize.
Anjem Choudary will get what is coming to him, no doubt and as far as i know Islam4UK is a really really small, but vocal group.

Here's something that might return your faith :

Choudary said he chose Wootton Bassett to attract maximum attention and, he asserted, 500 members of Islam4UK would carry 'symbolic coffins' in memory of the Muslim civilians 'murdered by merciless' coalition forces. By 5 January 2010, over 400,000 people had joined a Facebook group opposing the march.

Choudary receives little support from the mainstream UK Muslim population and has been largely criticised in the media.

Now that shit has hit the fan monetarily, stuff like this will be happening.

French President Shuts Down Roma Camps and Seeks Relocation for Roma

Getting rid of dead weight ie. chronical recipients of government aid in all sorts of packages-financial, housing etc...btw gypsies are tougher to integrate then Muslims.
 
Don't feel nothing! Actually, the foreigners are slightly sad, they try really hard to try and fit in....They should relax and just be themselves, the constitution allowed it...so, why is this Islam-o-phobic person venting?
 
Don't feel nothing! Actually, the foreigners are slightly sad, they try really hard to try and fit in....They should relax and just be themselves, the constitution allowed it...so, why is this Islam-o-phobic person venting?

Some take being themselves a bit too far. That's why.

Im not so sure you would want to thank me on matters concerning Muslims.
There is a delicate balance that needs to be struck. Too many of you, the radical movement gets stronger and more vocal and when that happens the moderate Muslims fade away. That's the problem.
You aren't able to police your own people by yourself, so when the government does it its all evil, nazi and generally in service of zionism when infact it's just trying to maintain a rule of law/land that existed for centuries.
 
Some take being themselves a bit too far. That's why.

Im not so sure you would want to thank me on matters concerning Muslims.
There is a delicate balance that needs to be struck. Too many of you, the radical movement gets stronger and more vocal and when that happens the moderate Muslims fade away. That's the problem.
You aren't able to police your own people by yourself, so when the government does it its all evil, nazi and generally in service of zionism when infact it's just trying to maintain a rule of law/land that existed for centuries.

Well, there is a limit to everything...So far, There are 3 types of Muslims here in UK:

1) who are educated and want to just lead a better life, they preach but don't force (please notice the difference)

2) Hatred filled Muslims who had been abused when they first came here with their ignorant mind and refuse to calm down...

3) Who do ANYTHING and EVERYTHING WRONG in the name of Islam- they ONLY go to Masjids to check if anyone will buy their hate speech and be their little tag along friend!

3) Who do ANYTHING and EVERYTHING WRONG in the name of Islam- they ONLY go to Masjids to check if anyone will buy their hate speech and be their little tag along friend!

Wrong here includes spread hatred and trying to drill some concept when they really have no idea what they are talking about.
 

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