Musharraf called ‘leader of leaders’ in India

[fatman17]

the irony of it all.....

Musharraf called ‘leader of leaders’ in India

By Ali Waqar

LAHORE: Dr Ved Pratap Vaidik, a prominent Indian scholar-journalist and the chairman of the Council for Indian Foreign Policy (a major think tank in India), said on Thursday that President Pervez Musharraf was known in India as a ‘leader of leaders’.

Dr Vaidik, who is on a friendly visit to Pakistan, spoke to a select media gathering, where he said that in certain Indian circles, President Musharraf was called the ‘leader of leaders’ because of his friendly attitude towards the Indian government and the way he extended his hand for better Indo-Pak ties. However, he said, Indians were also irked by “the same reservations (that Musharraf was not a politician but a ‘military dictator’) that irk the people of Pakistan”. Dr Vaidik lauded the decision of the PML-N and the PPP to join hands in the formation of a new government. He said the decision promoted “politics of mutuality, tolerance and acceptance”.

The scholar called for free borders between India and Pakistan. Commenting on the Kashmir issue, he said that the ‘third option’ (a free and independent Kashmir) could be the best one to resolve the long-standing conflict. He said if India and Pakistan did not budge from their traditional positions on the issue, it would never be resolved.

He said, “I frequently tell Pakistani military men and politicians in informal interactions that if they (Pakistan) think they are treating the part of Kashmir they call Azad Jammu and Kashmir (AJK) better than India’s treatment of Indian-held Kashmir (IHK), the Indians also think the same way (that IHK is more prosperous than AJK).” He said the need of the hour was to open the Indo-Pak borders and declare a principle of ‘one people many nations’ in the region. Dr Vaidik added that Burma and Tibet should work together and build a united strength in the region. “The unity of these states can bring a revolution in the world as these regions have a history of bringing about revolutions and movements that changed the world, since the time of the Aryans.” He said that Osama Bin Laden had used this part of the world for his movement, and its impact had also been global. Dr Vaidik said Iran, like Afghanistan, should be made part of the South Asian Association for Regional Cooperation (SAARC), since this would add to the region’s strength.

 

[IceCold]

Open up borders! Ahh what next the currency should also be made the same. What the hell

 

[xpakistani]

What's the harm in opening up of borders? Kindly discuss pros and cons? I am for not opening borders till Kashmir dispute is settled once for all.

 

[Beskar]

What's the harm in opening up of borders? Kindly discuss pros and cons? I am for not opening borders till Kashmir dispute is settled once for all.

What's the harm?

Where did you get your basic education from? Do you know anything about the history and creation of Pakistan?

 

[Omar1984]

What's the harm in opening up of borders? Kindly discuss pros and cons? I am for not opening borders till Kashmir dispute is settled once for all.

Of all the countries in the world, open borders with India?

You need to read some history, particularly history from 1940-2009 of Pakistan and India.

If we should open any borders it should be with a very friendly neighbor like China.
Borders with Afghanistan have always been very soft some can say opened, but ever since India made its prescence in Afghanistan, look what soft borders with Afghanistan got us into.

We should have soft borders with only friendly countries we can trust, not India.

 

[Omar1984]

There is absolutely no economic value in opening up borders with Pakistan.
With the borders closed at least we can count security and shoot first and ask questions later to anybody who tries to cross-over

I dont see Pakistanis rushing to cross the border into india to "seek a better life". Secure borders and tight security on our borders with india and any place that has strong indian prescence is what is best for Pakistan.

 

[notsuperstitious]

I think Musharraf is the only one who inspires any kind of confidence right now (mainly because ppl feel he'll have army backing, not sure abt other leaders getting it).

Not open borders, but people should be able to visit each others countries easily. When people see people just like them, it helps dispell many misconceptions and ignorance. it'll be a big step if indians and pakistanis can see each other as humans with similar language, culture, food and a lahori sense of humor. easy to hate bharatis (whatever that means) or pakistanis, difficult to hate humans.

 

[Bhishma]

I think it is time to close the borders and dissociate ourselves from this country.

Open borders and other liberal horse manure is no use when terrorists are using them to infiltrate into our country.

IMO, step up border fencing and tighten travel restrictions. Monitor as many Pakistanis as possible.

 

[Jihad]

I think it is time to close the borders and dissociate ourselves from this country.

Open borders and other liberal horse manure is no use when terrorists are using them to infiltrate into our country.

IMO, step up border fencing and tighten travel restrictions. Monitor as many Pakistanis as possible.

How about you start off with "dissociating" and remove your face from this forum? Lead, show the example, be a good sports and show to the rest of the Indians how it's done hotshot, otherwise, don't talk bullsh!t.

 

[notsuperstitious]

Why the pressing need to cross the border brother? Not happy with the people near you?

But we are here aren't we? on a pakistani defence forum and trying to talk to pakistanis mainly? I've already elaborated the reasons, there are some brainwashed people who KNOW everything there is to know, they are useless when it comes to achieving peace. but most ppl are not like that, and i'd like them to visit India, and Pakistan. it helps.

 

[afriend]

Opening up border.. are you nuts..we have enough extremists here in india. Do we want more of them??? No way... Unless pakistan proves itself to be a moderate society, only benifit from this would be a visa free travel for Taliban into india.!!! Unless the mess of the fundementalists,radical islamists and these terrorists are removed No way india would be happy in opening up the borders. We three(INDIA,PAK,BANG) would better off as we are now..!!!! However a controlled exchange of people and ideas is a better idea to clear the mistrust or misconception we have, and forums like these are very good platform for the same..!!!

 

[blain2]

I think it is time to close the borders and dissociate ourselves from this country.

Open borders and other liberal horse manure is no use when terrorists are using them to infiltrate into our country.

IMO, step up border fencing and tighten travel restrictions. Monitor as many Pakistanis as possible.

Most excellent suggestions. Add cutting off diplomatic ties to that list. Next exchange should be only by way of missiles and Artillery duels.

I would also suggest the easiest thing for you to start dissociating from "this" country is by not engaging with "those" people on forums such as these. That would be a good way for you to practice what you preach...what say you?

 

[Amanpuneet Singh]

There is no need for open borders just some ease travel restrictions will do fine as it happened 2004 when u could just purchase ticket of match and cross over border to see match and meet people that will do fine but then we also need to make sure that ease of restriction doesn't lead to radical elements crossing over to disturb peace of both countries just normal relation between 2 countries will do fine than friendly relationship so just be normal not friendly.

 

[Bhishma]

Most excellent suggestions. Add cutting off diplomatic ties to that list. Next exchange should be only by way of missiles and Artillery duels.

No, I think diplomatic ties should be maintined. But easy travel across the border? Definitely not. With extremists now threatening to take over the heart of Pakistani Punjab, this is hardly the right time.

I would also suggest the easiest thing for you to start dissociating from "this" country is by not engaging with "those" people on forums such as these. That would be a good way for you to practice what you preach...what say you?

I don\'t think that internet forums pose a serious threat to India. Perhaps the spread of extremist ideas, but that cannot be restricted anyways. So no, I think the internet is perhaps the best way to exchange ideas without posing a security risk.

 

[blain2]

I don\'t think that internet forums pose a serious threat to India. Perhaps the spread of extremist ideas, but that cannot be restricted anyways. So no, I think the internet is perhaps the best way to exchange ideas without posing a security risk.

Only if you could think beyond yourself. Indians and Pakistanis like you are few and far in between. Most have no way of communicating via such means (I-Foras). The fact that you live in the US means that you are even farther away from the ground than the Indians and Pakistanis who live next to each other. You may want to think about them as they would be the ones dealing with each other, not you sitting in the comfort of the good old US of A.