Muqtada al-Sadr: Riyadh serves as the father of all

[The SC]

Sadr's leader in Iraq, Muqtada al-Sadr, described Riyadh as a "father", saying that Saudi Arabia had proved its strength and was working to bring peace to the region. He also touched on Sadr's statements to his position on the departure of Assad and the separation of the Kurdistan region.

Muqtada al-Sadr, the leader of the Sadrist movement in Iraq, pointed to a similarity in visions during his meeting in Jeddah last month with the Deputy Custodian of the Two Holy Mosques, Prince Mohammed bin Salman bin Abdul Aziz, stressing that Riyadh is the "father" Working to bring peace to the region.

In an interview with the London-based al-Sharq al-Awsat newspaper on August 11, 2017, al-Sadr said they discussed several files of the region, including Yemen, Bahrain, Syria, Jerusalem, Iran-Saudi relations, In Riyadh, pointing out that the meeting was frank between the parties.

Al-Sadr pointed out that all the differences that prevail in the region can be solved gradually even if it took time, noting that this includes the status quo between the four countries, namely Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Bahrain and the UAE, on the one hand, Qatar, on the one hand, considering that the latter is sensitive to compromise, She will retreat, and will return to her Arab bosom little by little.

http://www.dw.com/ar/مقتدى-الصدر-الرياض-بمثابة-الأب-للجميع/a-40053907

 

[Saif al-Arab]

People did not believe me when I said 2 years ago that it was a question of time before KSA-Iraqi relations were back on track and the abnormality post-US invasion in 2003 until after Al-Malikis horrible reign was over, was that, an abnormally.

From yesterday:

Saudi Crown Prince affirms strong ties with Iraq in all fields

Prince Mohammed bin Salman affirmed the keenness of the Saudi government to stabilize Iraq in a meeting with Iraqi Oil Minister Jabbar al-Allaib. (Supplied)

Staff writer, Al Arabiya EnglishThursday, 10 August 2017

Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman met Iraqi Oil Minister Jabbar al-Allaibi, Wednesday evening in Jeddah.

Prince Mohammed bin Salman affirmed the keenness of the Saudi government to stabilize Iraq and its determination to develop and strengthen relations in all fields, in order to serve the best interest of the people of both countries.

During the meeting, joint opportunities in the economic field were discussed, highlighting energy in particular.

The two parties also discussed the opening land routes, launching direct flights and encouraging trade and investment from the Saudi private sector.

The discussion also touched on the close cooperation between the two countries in the oil field, stressing their full commitment to the agreement to reduce oil production until the markets reach the target balance.

Last Update: Thursday, 10 August 2017 KSA 03:14 - GMT 00:14

https://english.alarabiya.net/en/Ne...irms-strong-ties-with-Iraq-in-all-fields.html

https://twitter.com/x/status/888081693940342788

BTW the Iraqi interior minister Qassim al-Araji

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qasim_al-Araji

visited Riyadh and met with MBS:

Blood is thicker than water. Always will be.

 

[Nevsky]

Will Riyad serve as a ''father'' for all the Christians in the region too?Will they build at least 1 Church in their country, before claiming to be a ''father'' of 40 million Christians in the Middle East?

 

[Muhammed45]

Will Riyad serve as a ''father'' for all the Christians in the region too?Will they build at least 1 Church in their country, before claiming to be a ''father'' of 40 million Christians in the Middle East?

Muqtada al sadr is a joke my friend, don't take him a bit serious.

And if you want Christian Al-Qaeda or Christian ISIS then you are welcome to take them as a father for Christians.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

Will Riyad serve as a ''father'' for all the Christians in the region too?Will they build at least 1 Church in their country, before claiming to be a ''father'' of 40 million Christians in the Middle East?

Why should KSA serve as a "father" for Christians in the Middle East? What has religion anything to do with this? Al-Sadr was referring to modern-day KSA (Arabia) as the father of all Arabs which is true.

KSA has excellent relations with our Arab Christian brothers and sisters in Jordan (the Christian Arab tribes of Jordan are originally from neighboring Hijaz), Syria, Lebanon and the Coptic community in Egypt due to ancient ties with the Coptic community that was manifested clearly already 1400 years ago when Prophet Muhammad (saws) married a Coptic Christian lady and wrote this letter.





https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashtiname_of_Muhammad


Jubail Church is a 4th-century church building near Jubail, Eastern Province, discovered in 1986. It originally belonged to the Church of the East, an ancient Nestorian branch of Eastern Christianity in the Middle East. It is one of the oldest churches in the world.[35]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jubail_Church

As for Christianity, modern-day KSA is home to one of the earliest Christian churches in the world (Jubail Church that is 1700 + years old) and many people in Arabia in the pre-Islamic era were Christians (Arabian Christianity and Nestorian Christianity). Numerous Christian "saints" are originally from Arabia too and other parts of the Arab world.

This thread should educate you:

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/arab-christians.434622/

BTW why should KSA build churches when none of us are Christians any longer? Why should churches be built in a Islamic country for temporary expats that can pray at home or visit neighboring states where there are plenty of churches, even within the GCC? Besides you don't understand the special role that KSA plays here from a religious perspective as being the home of the Two Holy Mosques and the cradle of Islam. I will not compare KSA directly with Vatican but there is obviously reason for comparison.

Why does Russia not built mosques in occupied Northern Caucasus (native lands of non-Russian and non-Slavic peoples) in particular among the traditional Adyghe lands? Why is Russia persecuting various religious communities such as Jehovas Witnesses and others? Why don't you look inwards before barking? We are not a Christian country nor do we pretend to be a liberal democracy (thank God).

BTW I don't understand why hostile anti-Arabs are meddling in internal Arab affairs? Your post has nothing to do with what was said in Arabic or what this thread is about.

Lastly there are nowhere near 40 million Christians in the Middle East. Not sure where you got this number from. Almost all the Christians in the Middle East are Arab Christians, Assyrians, Copts and Armenians (those living the Arab world).

Muqtada al sadr is a joke my friend, don't take him a bit serious.

And if you want Christian Al-Qaeda or Christian ISIS then you are welcome to take them as a father for Christians.

Go take your medicine or stop using your daily supply of Iranian heroin and mind your own business foreigner. Internal Arab relations have nothing to do with you. Blood is thicker than water and always will be. Remember this.

The only joke here is you. Some nobody on a Pakistani Defence Forum. Al-Sadr on the other hand is one of the most influential people in Iraq.

What hurts you is the fact that KSA and Iraq have restored their brotherly relations as throughout almost all of recorded history. Keep having your behind burnt. I will enjoy it greatly.

Here is more arsenal to make you more crazy than already:

Dubai, UAE

The Deputy Custodian of the Two Holy Mosques, Prince Mohammed bin Salman, met in Jeddah today evening with Iraqi Minister of Oil Engineer Jabbar Al-Luaibi.

The Saudi Crown Prince affirmed the keenness of the Kingdom's government to stabilize Iraq and its determination to develop and strengthen relations in all fields, in the interest of the peoples of the two countries.

The meeting reviewed joint opportunities in the economic fields in general and energy in particular, including the opening of land ports, direct flights and the promotion of trade and investment from the private sector.

The discussion also touched on the close cooperation between the two countries in the field of oil policy coordination, and affirmed the two countries' full commitment to the agreement to reduce oil production until the markets reached the target balance of this agreement.


https://www.alarabiya.net/ar/saudi-...كد-على-علاقة-قوية-مع-العراق-بكل-المجالات.html


Saudi Arabia and Iraq confirm their commitment to the agreement to reduce oil production

http://www.youm7.com/story/2017/8/1...-التزامهما-باتفاقية-خفض-إنتاج-البترول/3360855


«Energy and petrochemicals» anchored Iraq index in Jubail

http://www.okaz.com.sa/article/1563966/اقتصاد/الطاقة-والبتروكيماويات-ترسو-بمؤشر-العراق-في-الجبيل

"Civil Aviation" sign a memorandum of understanding on air transport with Iraq - News Saudi Arabia Okaz Newspaper

http://www.okaz.com.sa/article/1563...ني-توقع-مذكرة-تفاهم-حول-النقل-الجوي-مع-العراق

Military and intelligence cooperation between Saudi Arabia and Iraq

Restoring Iraq to the Arab incubator

http://www.okaz.com.sa/article/1563888/كتاب-ومقالات/استعادة-العراق-للحاضنة-العربية

Iraq wants to restart the oil pipeline across Saudi Arabia

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RIYADH: Iraq's former oil minister and head of Iraq's oil and energy committee, MP Ibrahim Bahr al-Ulum, said it was necessary to restore Iraq's oil pipeline through Saudi Arabia to the Red Sea.

Bahr al-Ulum said in a statement to Al-Hayat newspaper that this line is one of the most important projects carrying oil, which was established with Iraqi funds from the Iraqi oil sources to the ports of Yanbu Saudi Arabia on the Red Sea.

He expected that there will be a positive response by the Kingdom in this regard that the political atmosphere is appropriate, and there is great convergence between the two governments in a format that allows Iraq to open several files stuck between the carrier line, debt, and joint wells and gas oil cooperation .

https://www.mubasher.info/news/3145312/العراق-يرغب-في-إعادة-تشغيل-خط-أنابيب-نفط-عبر-السعودية


Immediate measures to facilitate the export of Saudi products to Iraq

REUTERS/Faisal Al Nasser - RTSGJ5Z

Saudi - Iraqi agreement on the stability of world oil markets

https://aawsat.com/home/article/995721/اتفاق-سعودي-–-عراقي-على-استقرار-أسواق-النفط-العالمية

Saudi Arabia looks forward to economic rapprochement with Iraq

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Al-Falih said in a statement issued by the Ministry of Energy, Industry and Mineral Resources on Thursday that the economic relations will be "more active and more cooperative in the field of trade exchange between the Kingdom and Iraq, as well as in the field of joint investment of companies and businessmen between the two countries."


Habib Sadr: a breakthrough in relations between Iraq and Saudi Arabia in the coming period

The relations between Iraq and Saudi Arabia will witness a boom in the coming periods, pointing out that the developments between the two countries are increasing and will increase after the next Eid al-Adha coming back working at the border crossings between Iraq and Saudi Arabia like those in Arar and Gemayya.

In a special statement to Sadi al-Balad, al-Sadr stressed that relations between the two countries will witness a development in terms of trade exchange and Saudi air traffic at Iraqi airports, noting that a consulate will be opened in Najaf in Iraq.

The Iraqi ambassador said that Iraq and Saudi Arabia have good relations between them for a long time, so we do not forget that there are tribal extensions between the two countries. The late Saudi King Abdullah had an Iraqi wife belonging to the Shammar tribe.

He pointed out that tens of thousands of Saudi visitors visit holy sites in Iraq, so in some seasons, more than 100,000 Saudis gather in Karbala and Najaf, who need those who care for them and inspect their affairs.

TRITON, Today at 17:29

News from today. Now cry.



@The SC

 

[Taimoor Khan]

I can see where it's going. Arab shias are getting annoyed with seat of power of shiaism moving to Persian shia Mullahs. Saudis are exploiting this and playing Arab card.

 

[El Sidd]

I don't trust the English translation.

Serves as father.

What happened to the real father?

 

[Saif al-Arab]

I can see where it's going. Arab shias are getting annoyed with seat of power of shiaism moving to Persian shia Mullahs. Saudis are exploiting this and playing Arab card.

The center of Shia Islam never was in Iran and never will be. It remains in the Arab heartlands (Arabia (Makkah and Madinah) and Southern Iraq (Najaf and Karbala) ). It's also an absurd myth that Arab Shias are pro-Wilayat al-Faqih Mullah's. Evident of the Iraq-Iran war were most soldiers were Iraqi Shia Arabs. There are a few traitorous individuals who have very little say nowadays and will continue to be marginalized. The Iraqi people by large (90% Arab) want to "return" to the Arab fold. In fact this return has already happened and will happen further once the rebuilding after Daesh kickstarts.

 

[Taimoor Khan]

The center of Shia Islam never was in Iran and never will be. It remains in the Arab heartlands (Arabia (Makkah and Madinah) and Southern Iraq (Najaf and Karbala) ). It's also an absurd myth that Arab Shias are pro-Wilayat al-Faqih Mullah's. Evident of the Iraq-Iran war were most soldiers were Iraqi Shia Arabs. There are a few traitorous individuals who have very little say nowadays and will continue to be marginalized. The Iraqi people by large (90% Arab) want to "return" to the Arab fold. In fact this return has already happened and will happen further once the rebuilding after Daesh kickstarts.

Yes, that's is the historical fact. But Iran has played it well tbh in convincing non Arab shia world that they are center of shiaism. For instance, in Pakistan, sadly Shias are indoctrinated in believing that Iran is some sort of holly land. There are Pakistani shias who go to Iran for "ziyarat". I am WTF. What is there in Iran? All shia holy sites are in hijaz and in Iraq! Iranian have marketed themselves well.

 

[El Sidd]

Yes, that's is the historical fact. But Iran has played it well tbh in convincing non Arab shia world that they are center of shiaism. For instance, in Pakistan, sadly Shias are indoctrinated in believing that Iran is some sort of holly land. There are Pakistani shias who go to Iran for "ziyarat". I am WTF. What is there in Iran? All shia holy sites are in hijaz and in Iraq! Iranian have marketed themselves well.

Iran has a rich density of sites considered reverred in Islam.

People even go to Samarkand in Uzbekistan.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

Yes, that's is the historical fact. But Iran has played it well tbh in convincing non Arab shia world that they are center of shiaism. For instance, in Pakistan, sadly Shias are indoctrinated in believing that Iran is some sort of holly land. There are Pakistani shias who go to Iran for "ziyarat". I am WTF. What is there in Iran? All shia holy sites are in hijaz and in Iraq! Iranian have marketed themselves well.

Since the emergence of the Wilayat al-Faqih "Arab Mullah's" that have ruled that entity since 1979, they have spent billions of dollars and 1000's upon 1000's of foot soldiers to expand their "Qom school" in order to challenge the traditional Najafi Hawza. Obviously pre-1979, this school being relatively obscure and by no means any Shia center of learning (aside from local Iranians) they have gained some influence since 1979. That is undeniable. However Najaf, Karbala and other traditional heartlands of Shia Islam in the Arab world (Southern Lebanon another one - North Yemen another) rule supreme. In fact to such an extend that those same Wilayat al-Faqih Mullah's from Iran are being taught in those places.

This is explained well by a well-known Iraqi Shia Arab cleric:

Well, my theory is (in fact I know for sure that this is the case) certain Shia communities have felt marginalized due to their size and sought protection/support from an outside element (in this case the current Iranian regime) and then we potentially have a problem in terms of what you describe (blind following). I have noticed this on PDF among certain Pakistani Shias which I find extremely strange for numerous reasons, one being that the Pakistani Shia community should be sufficiently strong on its own.

I can tell you that the Shia communities in KSA (oldest in the world) whether Twelver, Zaydi or Ismaili do not have any ties to the Iranian regime other than mutual visits between ordinary clerics. They do not have to look elsewhere for legitimacy, approval nor do they feel inferior. In fact it is the opposite. This is similarly the case with other Arab Shias. They look inwards. They don't need people who they converted to Islam to tell them what to do or to challenge their historical influence or seniority.

In general I am not in favor of regimes using religion for their political pursuits. Sadly many people are easily fooled (goes both ways and regardless of sect).

Iran has a rich density of sites considered reverred in Islam.

People even go to Samarkand in Uzbekistan.

This is true. A few Shia Imams are buried in modern-day Iran in cities such as Qom and Mashhad. However those sites are mostly visited by Shia Twelvers.

I have never heard about Samarkand (Bukhara too I assume) being visited for religious reasons but rather tourism and for visiting one of the oldest noble Qurans in existence (apparently).

 

[Taimoor Khan]

Iran has a rich density of sites considered reverred in Islam.

People even go to Samarkand in Uzbekistan.

Like what? Saints shrines? If that is the case, then Pakistan is littered with Saints and waliullahs shrines. Better stay home and pay homage to those.

 

[El Sidd]

Like what? Saints shrines? If that is the case, then Pakistan is littered with Saints and waliullahs shrines. Better stay home and pay homage to those.

There is no harm in visiting religious places if there is a genuine interest.

Pre 79 Iran was a tourism paradise for Pakistanis

 

[Taimoor Khan]

Well, my theory is (in fact I know for sure that this is the case) certain Shia communities have felt marginalized due to their size and sought protection/support from an outside element (in this case the current Iranian regime) and then we potentially have a problem in terms of what you describe (blind following). I have noticed this on PDF among certain Pakistani Shias which I find extremely strange for numerous reasons, one being that the Pakistani Shia community should be sufficiently strong on its own.

In sunni dominated Pakistan, people have voted Shias to the power. ZA Bhutto and her daughter BB are such individuals. No where in muslim world such things are possible. So in case of Pakistan, marginalisation theory is a myth, a non starter. It's all to do Iran investing very heavily on Pakistani shia clergy, who in turn indoctrinated young Pakistani shia minds. A clever marketing strategy is all that is.

 

[Baba Google]

Yes, that's is the historical fact. But Iran has played it well tbh in convincing non Arab shia world that they are center of shiaism.

No one in school of Ahlul-Bayt consider Iran as the center of Shi'ism. but, yes we love Iran.

For instance, in Pakistan, sadly Shias are indoctrinated in believing that Iran is some sort of holly land.

thats not true, I as a follower of school of Ahlul-Bayt, will always love my brothers in faith and respect my equals in humanity.

There are Pakistani shias who go to Iran for "ziyarat". I am WTF. What is there in Iran?

do you even know anything about school of Ahlul-Bayt? our 8th Imam Ali ibn Musa ar-Ridha resides in Mashhad, Iran.

In sunni dominated Pakistan, people have voted Shias to the power. ZA Bhutto and her daughter BB are such individuals.

I'm sorry what? they were shias? of who? I didn't know.