MoU on China-Bhutan boundary talks 'breaks deadlock caused by India, paves way for diplomatic ties'

[Beast]

I am convinced that Ladakh, Nepal, Sikkim, Bhutan and Arunachal will be part of Chinese in the next decade.

Indeed. We will take over New Delhi and Emperor Xi will seat on Modi and used him as tools.

India is no match for us and is a small fry only.

The relationship between China and Mongolia is very complex, and it can not be said that it all is the fault of Mongolia and the Soviet Union.
The Mongols taught their children that the Chinese were very unfriendly to the Mongols in history. This is a fact. In the era of imperialism of China, China was indeed unfriendly to the nomads north of the Great Wall.
In October 1945, the Mongols held an independent vote and decided to leave China. The Chinese are also willing to respect their choices.
The current situation in Mongolia is also in China's interests. This is the choice of the Mongols themselves, so the Chinese government has no moral burden. The current situation of Mongols also gives Chinese Mongols a sense of superiority, so Xinjiang and Tibet have separatism, but Chinese Mongols have no separatism.
Moreover, Mongolia can only rely on Russia to balance China's influence, and China does not mind Russia expanding its influence. The Mongolian govt is not stupid enough to go to find USA, and USA are not stupid enough to establish a base in Mongolia.

The Mongolia did find US but it anger Russia and China. Both charge high exorbitant transport cost of Mongolia mineral resources shipped thru our border and totally make Mongolia natural resources non competitive in International market

US and India both give Mongolia miserable USD1 billion aid which is not enough to save Mongolia from economic collapse without China trade.

Mongolia submit into submission to China.

https://apnews.com/article/8c026337a97640309f4bdb530bf6cd07

 

[rott]

I am convinced that Ladakh, Nepal, Sikkim, Bhutan and Arunachal will be part of Chinese in the next decade.

Nah, we demand only what is ours. Only South Tibet and Ladhak might be taken by us.

 

[MH.Yang]

How are they going to do that if push comes to shove? What if India does annex Bhutan? India will not use Nuclear weapons. Why would they? For a country that doesn't actually belong to them. Even if they do use Nuclear, how reliable is their delivery system? I don't think India will use Nukes.
China cannot help Bhutan without hurting the country. I seriously think Bhutan will be annexed because of China's Non-interference policy.

If I were the Indian govt, I would not rashly annex Bhutan with the intervention of Chinese forces. I will not risk giving the PLA a reason to enter Bhutan.
If I were the Indian govt, if the PLA entered Bhutan. I will think the PLA is ready to dismember India. India has reached the most dangerous time. I will consider nuclear weapons, and I will be willing to pay any price for American troops to enter India.

 

[rott]

@Beast, you even named the file as Pighead?

 

[Beast]

@Beast, you even named the file as Pighead?

Of cos, the most humiliating moment for Indian soldiers. The Chinese troops do it on purpose to beat them all blue black and swollen like a pig head. Take these photo and wait for a great moment to humiliate the India fanboys and their clown media.

They have more juicy stuff behind with Indian soldiers begging for mercy and crying.. Just wait for the Indian bragging mouth to trigger those flood of video online to further humiliates those Indians.

You see last few days, India clown media seems tone down and sounds very quiet!

 

[Leishangthem]

The relationship between China and Mongolia is very complex, and it can not be said that it all is the fault of Mongolia and the Soviet Union.
The Mongols taught their children that the Chinese were very unfriendly to the Mongols in history. This is a fact. In the era of imperialism of China, China was indeed unfriendly to the nomads north of the Great Wall.
In October 1945, the Mongols held an independent vote and decided to leave China. The Chinese are also willing to respect their choices.
The current situation in Mongolia is also in China's interests. This is the choice of the Mongols themselves, so the Chinese government has no moral burden. The current situation of Mongols also gives Chinese Mongols a sense of superiority, so Xinjiang and Tibet have separatist organization, but Chinese Mongols have no separatist organization.
Moreover, Mongolia can only rely on Russia to balance China's influence, and China does not mind Russia expanding its influence. The Mongolian govt is not stupid enough to go to find USA, and USA are not stupid enough to establish a base in Mongolia.

The so called independent vote wasn't very independent,the whole situation had foreign influence embedded. IThe Soviet Union succeeded in influencing the Mongols of mongolia,just like they did so successfully in Central Asia. If the referendum was taken all across china in that period ,many parts would have broken up.The referendum itself is due to Soviet pressure not natural.
Though I think it serves China well as a buffer in case of hostility with Russia, nobody knows in post Putin era what will Russia become of.

China cannot and does not want to do it. Bhutan just wants to use China to gain more independence. They don't want to use China to replace India, because China is a stronger country than India. China also does not want to replace India, China only needs to prevent Bhutan from being annexed.
Bhutan's position is too threatening. If PLA really enters Bhutan, Indians will even consider using nuclear weapons. China does not want India to have no choice.

I don't believe India has the gall to use nukes against China,nuclear deterrence doesn't work against systamic overmatch .Onus is on Bhutan,if they want foreign influence on their land or not,though they might prefer the designated indian security but they must also remember on the back of their mind, the fate of sikkim let alone northeast. Will China provide a security guarantee? Bhutan has only borders with China & India,when Bhutan signed the pact with India it did so to protect itself from both China & India.If China can sort the border debacle & guarantee security as well as development (which is chinese forte ) ,India would have no basis to use military in Bhutan under international law,in such a scenario,China can act with impunity against India to protect Bhutan,ofcourse under Bhutan's request. But if India want to avoid such a scenario ,India will avoid it. China can turn Bhutan upside down,but does it want to? IDK
Though I also don't deny your version.

 

[rott]

If I were the Indian govt, if the PLA entered Bhutan. I will think the PLA is ready to dismember India.

I think you made perfect sense on this. China should just station PLA right off the border to thwart off any Indian misadventures. Entering Bhutan will only be after the main battle is fought and then it's more like cleaning up. But Bhutan will be all messed up. Better to just station the troops right at the China-Bhutan border.

 

[MH.Yang]

The so called independent vote wasn't very independent,the whole situation had foreign influence embedded. IThe Soviet Union succeeded in influencing the Mongols of mongolia,just like they did so successfully in Central Asia. If the referendum was taken all across china in that period ,many parts would have broken up.The referendum itself is due to Soviet pressure not natural.
Though I think it serves China well as a buffer in case of hostility with Russia, nobody knows in post Putin era what will Russia become of.

I don't believe India has the gall to use nukes against China,nuclear deterrence doesn't work against systamic overmatch .Onus is on Bhutan,if they want foreign influence on their land or not,though they might prefer the designated indian security but they must also remember on the back of their mind, the fate of sikkim let alone northeast. Will China provide a security guarantee? Bhutan has only borders with China & India,when Bhutan signed the pact with India it did so to protect itself from both China & India.If China can sort the border debacle & guarantee security as well as development (which is chinese forte ) ,India would have no basis to use military in Bhutan under international law,in such a scenario,China can act with impunity against India to protect Bhutan,ofcourse under Bhutan's request. But if India want to avoid such a scenario ,India will avoid it. China can turn Bhutan upside down,but does it want to? IDK
Though I also don't deny your version.

Your question has gone deep. I'm surprised at your understanding of China.
In fact, not only Mongolia, but also Badakhshan province of Afghanistan and gorno autonomous region of Tajikistan voted to leave China. Is a country like Afghanistan capable of influencing China's internal affairs? Of course not.
Because these places are not the traditional territory of the Han nationality, China will give priority to the ruling cost. If the cost is too high, China would rather give up it. This is actually the practice of the Chinese governments of all dynasties. For example, the Zheng He fleet of China's Ming Dynasty gave up building colonies overseas for the same reason.
But the traditional territory of the Han nationality is another matter, such as Taiwan. It is impossible to compromise the territory of the traditional Han nationality.


Bhutan is different from Nepal. Next door to Nepal is Xigaze, the main city in Tibet. There are a large number of PLA troops stationed and the economy is prosperous. Through Shigatse, China has enough capacity to support Nepal. Next door to Bhutan is Yadong County, a poor border county. There is a HSR station, but it can only ensure that PLA can reach Yadong quickly, and its economic capacity can not support Bhutan's demand.


BTW: China's history tells us that without the support of the local people, forcibly ruling the territory of ethnic minorities will only consume national strength, and the rule will eventually be ended by endless resistance.

 

[lonelyman]

Says a Chinese who is the most negatively opinionated country in the world.

who says that? you QUAD buddy?

 

[Chhatrapati]

China's HSR has reached Yadong County in Tibet next to Bhutan. Bhutan is now a popular tourist destination for the Chinese people, Bhutan has more than 10k Chinese tourists in 2019.
Chinese is well aware of Bhutanese dissatisfaction with India.

Ahuh not really. You're stretching in your imagination. Bhutan popular destination? Bhutan heavily restricts tourism, they charge $250 a day for tourists from any other country than India, BD, Maldives. Bhutan received some 7k Chinese tourists in 2019. Never in history Bhutan got more than 10k Chinese.

Chinese are delusional, they think throwing money and some deals will solve your problems.

 

[MH.Yang]

Ahuh not really. You're stretching in your imagination. Bhutan popular destination? Bhutan heavily restricts tourism, they charge $250 a day for tourists from any other country than India, BD, Maldives. Bhutan received some 7k Chinese tourists in 2019. Never in history Bhutan got more than 10k Chinese.

Chinese are delusional, they think throwing money and some deals will solve your problems.

This is the Xinhua News Agency's introduction to traveling to Bhutan. In 2015, there were 9399 Chinese tourists in Bhutan:

 

[MH.Yang]

Bhutan heavily restricts tourism, they charge $250 a day for tourists from any other country than India, BD, Maldives.

Chinese are delusional, they think throwing money and some deals will solve your problems.

This is an advertisement issued by Bhutan travel agency in China. The Chinese need a visa fee of $40 to go to Bhutan. In addition, Bhutan requires tourists to spend a minimum of $200/250 a day, not "they charge $250 a day for tourists." It's normal to spend more than $200/250 a day in any scenic spot.

 

[Maula Jatt]

Bhutan can make a lot of money with tourism

 

[Chhatrapati]

More than 2 million Taiwanese work in the mainland, more than 10% of Taiwan's population. Do you think we will believe you?
Nepal hates Indians, especially after the earthquake. The cooperation between the Chinese and Nepalese governments has been very in-depth, and on October 12, 2019, China and Nepal have reached a strategic cooperation agreement, and China has actually agreed to protect Nepal from aggression by foreign forces. Next door to Nepal is rigze, a key city of the Tibet Military Region, where there are a large number of PLA. If Nepal needs it, the PLA will arrive in Nepal faster than the Indian army.

Taiwanese hate you because you threaten to invade them and then routinely violate their air defence ID zones. Threats countries against recognising Taiwan and they elected an openly anti China Tsai as their PM.

Vs a Chinese claiming nepal hates India. You still dont have nothing other than some MoU's with fancy titles. And it will remain so in the foreseeable future. Nepal has most of its trade with India with its economic centres along the South bordering India with huge mountains up North. Bullet train, rocket train whatever there be, you're simply up in the mountains.

 

[Chhatrapati]

This is an advertisement issued by Bhutan travel agency in China. The Chinese need a visa fee of $40 to go to Bhutan. In addition, Bhutan requires tourists to spend a minimum of $200 a day, not "they charge $250 a day for tourists." It's normal to spend more than $200 a day in any scenic spot

$200 during off season. I wouldn't go there in that rainy season. It is $250 a day and it's a fee you have to pay, you get a guide though what you buy comes extra. I took the trip and all I had to do was just drive past the check point and get my passport stamped. Try again