Modi's victory

[Thorough Pro]

Is Modi's victory in the recent elections indicative of an increasing inclination of Indian masses towards extremism?

What do Indian members (who blame Pakistani's for supporting Taliban) have to say about full Indians support to a known terrorist directly engaged in mass murder of thousands of Muslims and Christians?
(No Trolling please)

 

[Umair Nawaz]

No No No Indian hindus r not terrorist as they r not labeled like that by any American organization nor has their big daddy obama has said something like that abt Shev Sehna, Bajrang Dali, VHP, RSS, BJP and countless more and finally they dont use AK47s

 

[Yahoooooo!]

What do Indian members (who blame Pakistani's for supporting Taliban) have to say about full Indians support to a known terrorist directly engaged in mass murder of thousands of Muslims and Christians?
(No Trolling please)

Are you equating the Taliban to Modi?

Taliban=International terrorist organisation which held power in Afghanistan by the Gun, now taking over parts of North West Pakistan using the gun. According to the United Nations, the Taliban and their allies were responsible for 75% of Afghan civilian casualties in 2010, 80% in 2011, and 80% in 2012. They are obligated to strict Sharia law and not the Pakistani constitution.


Modi=Prime Ministerial candidate of BJP(former largest opposition party of Indian Parliament, obligated to the Indian Constitution). Publicly elected chief Minister multiple times.

 

[patriotpakistan]

Pakistan better dust off the nukes. Modi's election victory brings us that much closer to nuclear war. I don't trust Modi to keep a cool mind in a nuclear standoff.

 

[madooxno9]

First i would like to open my statement with (POP) on your ignorant Balloon , Modi has been given " Clean Chit " by SIT

Now , The people of India has voted not for Taliban Khan but Modi who will delivery what India need and that is Development and development .

There is no other agenda of voting BJP into power. And you ignorant fools are deliberately diverting the topic and accusing the man to be something which he is not.

 

[Shahmir]

I think indian hindus have expressed their nationalism by electing Narendra modi, he is considered ghairatmand hindu nationalist by indians and I dont find anything wrong with indian hindu voters for electing him, every nation has the right to elect the leader of their own choice. Just because in pakistan , we have nationalism on the decline does not mean it is not flourishing in other nations. In pakistan , the karachi based private electronic media is making the whole nation collectively beghairat and coward.

 

[Thorough Pro]

Did you miss the "No Trolling Please" part in my post? stay on topic if you have nothing positive to contribute, please leave.

Are you equating the Taliban to Modi?

Taliban=International terrorist organisation which held power in Afghanistan by the Gun, now taking over parts of North West Pakistan using the gun. According to the United Nations, the Taliban and their allies were responsible for 75% of Afghan civilian casualties in 2010, 80% in 2011, and 80% in 2012. They are obligated to strict Sharia law and not the Pakistani constitution.


Modi=Prime Ministerial candidate of BJP(former largest opposition party of Indian Parliament, obligated to the Indian Constitution). Publicly elected chief Minister multiple times.

 

[Yahoooooo!]

Did you miss the "No Trolling Please" part in my post? stay on topic if you have nothing positive to contribute, please leave.

Please point me the negative, i.e. the [nothing positive] in my post and I will delete.

 

[Thorough Pro]

That "Clean Chit" was as bloody as the massacre, it was political and probably under pressure, the whole world knows his involvement in the murders, he never condemned the killings, he never did anything (as the CM) of Gujrat to apprehend or punish the killers. This has been proved by your own Indian journalists in secretly recoded interviews, yet the persons who admitted all that on camera, still walk free.

First i would like to open my statement with (POP) on your ignorant Balloon , Modi has been given " Clean Chit " by SIT

Now , The people of India has voted not for Taliban Khan but Modi who will delivery what India need and that is Development and development .

There is no other agenda of voting BJP into power. And you ignorant fools are deliberately diverting the topic and accusing the man to be something which he is not.

 

[chhota bheem]

Please point me the negative, i.e. the [nothing positive] in my post and I will delete.

Why do you even bother bro,wont you see why he opened the thread.

 

[MilSpec]

Did you miss the "No Trolling Please" part in my post? stay on topic if you have nothing positive to contribute, please leave.

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Today after 8 decades of self inflicted denial the Hindu majority of India have finally ratified the two nation theory for themselves, by themselves on the democratic ballot box without compulsion or coercion. A resounding victory for the Hindu nationalist leader Narendra Singh Modi indeed is a new chapter in South Asian history. For his Hindu nation he represents a strong leader, for Muslims of India he remains the butcher of Gujarat with blood on his hands.

With his fundamental support coming from the right wing Hindu camp of the BJP being sufficient for such a victory, the BJP did not care about the Muslim vote for the first time ever. They were simply sidelined as no effective election campaign was mounted to attract the Muslim vote. This electoral segregation will have a deep imprint and strategic implications on Indian social makeup of the future. Since the Muslim vote is not included, their participation in an overwhelmingly BJP govt will cease to exist.

For Pakistan it marks the end of an ideological battle spanning 8 decades. This is a victory we must celebrate, as our historic pretext has dawned into the day of correctness and approval. Visionaries who coined the two nation theory saw this day coming 8 decades ago. Its because of their genius, connection to our past, hard work and sacrifices that we Pakistanis today see the dawn of a day which proved us 'historically right' from this side of the border. It also therefore proves that the struggle of our ancestors for independence was both historically correct and strategically right, henceforth the long treacherous journey, that has tested the Pakistani time and again, has been worth it.

What tomorrow holds for India's Muslim is unknown, though for us we can finally rest this debate and move on with our nation building, knowing that our struggle had been righteous despite the tact of Gandhi and Nehru in order to convince our forefathers to the contrary. Those who asked us for proofs and ridiculed us, themselves have democratically ratified the robustness and righteousness of our historic narrative.

Let it be a source of humility and confidence for the Pakistani, as those who conspired to mislead our march in the past, today find themselves marching willingly and proudly along a parallel route, the same route our ancestors had created. Today we can safely write this for the historians that the future of sub continent was shaped by none other than our ancestors.

"The truth can only be delayed"

Aeronaut.

Dear Friend:

I appreciate the well articulated take on the Indian election but, vehemently oppose the point of view presented. The overwhelming national mandate by the populace of India to BJP led National Democratic Alliance is not based on hindu identity but a vast bank of major flaws with the incumbent government.

There has been a saying for a very long time that " India's growth is not due to the government but despite it". This tongue and cheek insult to the leadership has long been a common sentiment among the massive emerging middle class in India. This phrase is an embodiment of the decade long stifling imposed on an aspiring young country. Congress would have been long defeated if a significant focused opposition was ever presented. And to experience this discontent, we do not need to look elsewhere, ample threads exist on this very forum where eminent members have time and again expressed their displeasure over, gross corruption, institutional inaction, weak and indecisive leadership, spineless foreign policy, and the culture of reprimand that has seeped into the bureaucratic structure leading to zero ownership of reformative policies.

This public anger is not just limited to certain Indian members on this forum but indicative across the demographic structure they represent in their geographical and social scale of India. Series of early indicators of this anti-incumbent sentiment was consistently represented in the events that unfolded in last few years, Medical Strike, India Against Corruption AAP etc were precursors for India demanding decisive reforms in the political leadership which now the people realized is the root cause of issues plaguing the development of people of India. Narendra Modi and his style of policy is exactly what appeals as the solution needed by the country, so much that even in 2009, there were mellow voices suggesting him to be the prime runner. More than the party choosing a candidate, this election chose Modi to be prime candidate. If some one like Advani was chosen instead, the outcome would have been the exact opposite.

Narendra Modi; started as Sangh Pracharak, (volunteer corp of RSS); and in his development he was associated with the Jan Sangh, and later BJP, and if you look closely he is known to be a master strategist for BJP. Within his experience the aspirations of people is very well known to him along with his core advisers. To paint him just by the events of the godhra riot's is obfuscation of the policies and agenda which the country voted on. Modi even to his critics like me, represents strong leadership and that is exactly what he promised to provide.

BJP led NDA fought a three pronged election where they presented strong decisive pro business environment which aligned them with Corporate sector, traders, big farms and the upper middle class. BJP also promised transparent government, Economic development and decisive leadership which found overwhelming support in the middle class of India, And the third most important issue was small business promotion, tax reforms, project execution, and highlighting the failures of the UPA2 ensured acceptance in the lower economic strata. Pre poll alliances and good execution in selection process of candidate ensure better representation of lower caste communities aligning themselves with the realities of remote rural demographics.

On the flip-side, taking a card from the AAP's delhi success, Congress and it's ill fated leadership ran a completely negative campaign of irrelevant issues, hapless agenda, hit and run remarks. Now a negative campaign can only take you to a certain length, which seems to be 42 seats, But when compared to a recipe of a well focused, well planned developmental agenda that promises measurable and quantifiable change, the selection of the Indian public is fairly a very simple one...

I can't help but draw a similarity between your view and that of the incumbent government's, where the presumption is that the population of India will vote on irrelevant issues of vote-bank appeasement instead of development. Suggesting the cumulative mandate of an 800 million strong electorate as just a Hindu vote is completely oblivious to the aspirations of India.

Regards.

 

[Thorough Pro]

Indians (both Hindus and Muslims) have always shown their nationalism by electing the candidates 9just like every other nation) but this time they have elected a very controversial person who rose to fame because of his extreme views and total intolerance towards other religions and direct involvement in anti Muslim riots resulting in inhuman killing of thousands of poor Muslims.

His success is not only reflective of a general trend of intolerance and extremism in Indian culture but appears to support such criminal activities towards minorities. This victory may encourage him to give free hand to Hindu extremists for ethnic cleansing on smaller scale to avoid international attention.

I can foresee a Pak-India stand-off in near future triggered by the new extreme Hindu nationalist leadership suffering from "Groupthink Syndrome".

I think indian hindus have expressed their nationalism by electing Narendra modi, he is considered ghairatmand hindu nationalist by indians and I dont find anything wrong with indian hindu voters for electing him, every nation has the right to elect the leader of their own choice. Just because in pakistan , we have nationalism on the decline does not mean it is not flourishing in other nations. In pakistan , the karachi based private electronic media is making the whole nation collectively beghairat and coward.

You can answer to question instead of describing Taliban and their acts, which by the way are directed against a foreign aggressor not a minority in their own country.

Please point me the negative, i.e. the [nothing positive] in my post and I will delete.

 

[Soumitra]

Is Modi's victory in the recent elections indicative of an increasing inclination of Indian masses towards extremism?

What do Indian members (who blame Pakistani's for supporting Taliban) have to say about full Indians support to a known terrorist directly engaged in mass murder of thousands of Muslims and Christians?
(No Trolling please)

You start a troll thread and ask us no trolling?

Ok let me take your points one by one

1 You say he is a known terrorist. Which acts of terrorism has he been accused of? Has he been declared terrorist by any govt? Indian? Pakistani? US? United Nations? His bitterest rivals congress was in power in India for 10 years. If they could not declare him terrorist who are you?

2 You say he has been involved in mass murder of thousands of Muslims and Christians? Who has indicted him? Infact he has been given a clean chit by the Supreme Court of India.

3 You probably believe that he has no support among the Muslim. Do you know that he won 3 of 6 seats in Jammu Kashmir and 71 of 80 seats in UP beating Mullayam Singh Yadav , considered as one of the most pro Muslim politician in India. Mulayam has been reduced to just 5 seats in UP where Muslim population is more than 40% in many seats. In last election BJP had only 10 seats across UP.

UP along with Bihar and Assam is one of the highest Muslim population states after J&K. In Bihar he has won 31 out of 40 seats beating beating Lallu Prasad Yadav - another politician considered the darling of Muslims , who won just 6 seats and NItish Kumar who broke up with Modi led NDA when he was declared PM candidate just to protect his Muslim vote bank. Nitish has won just 2 seats in Bihar. In Assam Modi has won 7 of the 14 seats. BJP has no significant presence in Assam and other North Eastern states before this. In Christian Majority Goa he has won both the seats.
Do you think that Modi would have won these seats if he had no support among the Muslims? Do you know during the campaign all so called "secular" parties, which in India means those who support extra rights for Muslims, kept asking Muslims not to vote for Modi because of this "fear factor". Still the Muslims have voted for Modi. Do you think they would have voted for him if they believe he is a mass murderer of Muslims and Christians.

4 You say he has been supported by Indians in Mass. Yes that is correct. This the best ever performance by a single non congress party since independence. This is also the best ever performance by any party since 1984. So since last 30 years no other political party has got such support in the elections. BJP has a simple majority of its own and does not need any allies to form the govt. He has won his own seat in Vadodara by a victory margin of over 5,70,000 votes. This is an all time high record in general elections in India.

5 now I will tell you why people of India - Hindus, Muslims, Christians, Sikhs etc have voted for him. They voted for his developmental agenda, his promise of better growth, more jobs, his version of secularism which means India First and Sabka Saath Sabka Vikas (With Everybody , Development for Everybody) . They voted for him because they have seen how he developed his state of Gujrat for the last 12 years. There has been a 10% growth rate and no riots in Gujarat after the post Godhra Riots.

I have answered all your queries with facts and figures. I want you to keep an open mind regarding Modi. If you can dispute any of these facts feel free to do so. We elected Modi because we want development and not because we hate Muslims or Pakistan.

 

[Yaduveer]

I don't know why some Indian friends trying so hard to convince the people across the border . Do we owe them an explanation that why we elect Modi ?

Election is our internal matter. We will elect whom we want to elect and we don't give a flying fcuk what pakistan think about Modi.

Haters gonna hate.

 

[Thorough Pro]

1 You say he is a known terrorist. Which acts of terrorism has he been accused of? Has he been declared terrorist by any govt? Indian? Pakistani? US? United Nations? His bitterest rivals congress was in power in India for 10 years. If they could not declare him terrorist who are you?

NEW DELHI: In a severe rebuke to Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi, the United States has denied him entry to America.
Taking a strong stand against the senior BJP leader and Hindutva icon, the US Consular division on Friday denied him a "diplomatic visa", apparently holding him responsible for the communal riots in Gujarat in 2002 which claimed over 2000 lives.

No entry for Modi into US: visa denied - The Times of India

2 You say he has been involved in mass murder of thousands of Muslims and Christians? Who has indicted him? Infact he has been given a clean chit by the Supreme Court of India.

A clean chit by SC means the plaintiff "government of Gujrat" failed to provide enough evidence to indict the convict, considering he was the CM of Gujrat at the time, is that even a surprise?

3 You probably believe that he has no support among the Muslim. Do you know that he won 3 of 6 seats in Jammu Kashmir and 71 of 80 seats in UP beating Mullayam Singh Yadav , considered as one of the most pro Muslim politician in India. Mulayam has been reduced to just 5 seats in UP where Muslim population is more than 40% in many seats. In last election BJP had only 10 seats across UP.

In South East Asia including India, winning seats is only a matter of how badly you want that and how far you can go to win it, has nothing to do with popular support, especially when claimed in minority dominant areas.

UP along with Bihar and Assam is one of the highest Muslim population states after J&K. In Bihar he has won 31 out of 40 seats beating beating Lallu Prasad Yadav - another politician considered the darling of Muslims , who won just 6 seats and NItish Kumar who broke up with Modi led NDA when he was declared PM candidate just to protect his Muslim vote bank. Nitish has won just 2 seats in Bihar. In Assam Modi has won 7 of the 14 seats. BJP has no significant presence in Assam and other North Eastern states before this. In Christian Majority Goa he has won both the seats.
Do you think that Modi would have won these seats if he had no support among the Muslims? Do you know during the campaign all so called "secular" parties, which in India means those who support extra rights for Muslims, kept asking Muslims not to vote for Modi because of this "fear factor". Still the Muslims have voted for Modi. Do you think they would have voted for him if they believe he is a mass murderer of Muslims and Christians.

4 You say he has been supported by Indians in Mass. Yes that is correct. This the best ever performance by a single non congress party since independence. This is also the best ever performance by any party since 1984. So since last 30 years no other political party has got such support in the elections. BJP has a simple majority of its own and does not need any allies to form the govt. He has won his own seat in Vadodara by a victory margin of over 5,70,000 votes. This is an all time high record in general elections in India.

No comments due to lack of comprehensive knowledge about Indian internal politics.

5 now I will tell you why people of India - Hindus, Muslims, Christians, Sikhs etc have voted for him. They voted for his developmental agenda, his promise of better growth, more jobs, his version of secularism which means India First and Sabka Saath Sabka Vikas (With Everybody , Development for Everybody) . They voted for him because they have seen how he developed his state of Gujrat for the last 12 years. There has been a 10% growth rate and no riots in Gujarat after the post Godhra Riots.

I have answered all your queries with facts and figures. I want you to keep an open mind regarding Modi. If you can dispute any of these facts feel free to do so. We elected Modi because we want development and not because we hate Muslims or Pakistan.

Hitler, too had a development agenda for the Germany besides his utter hate for the Jews and thus the horrendous holocaust. Indians have made the same mistake of electing an extremist hate monster hiding behind development agenda for Hindus at the cost of Indian minorities.