Modi's Vaccine Nationalism: India's Hasty Approval of Homegrown COVID19 Vaccine

[gulli]

See we are obsessed with Pakistan, Pakistan ke naam pai hamare roti chal rahe hai..

 

[cloud4000]

I didn't know @RizHaq was an expert in vaccines and India's pharmaceutical industry.

Let's call this thread for what it is: more sour grapes by Pakistanis on PDF.

Nobody is forcing them to take it, they can rely on China for their supply. In fact, Pakistan should stop importing Indian drugs altogether. I mean if the vaccines are of questionable quality -- according to experts on PDF -- perhaps other medicines are too.

Still, Pakisanis here need to stop and actually do something useful.

 

[Rollno21]

The question is was it designed in India by Indians?

Some are and some are not

 

[Microsoft]

Some are and some are not

There you go learn the difference you'll see which ones are useful and which are not.

 

[masterchief_mirza]

I wonder why would National Control Laboratory for Biologicals of the Government of Pakistan allow the import of multiple vaccines from India? even worse few of them are from the same Bharat Biotech.

List of Importers

What matters is published data and ideally phase 3 trials. If any vaccine producer takes their time and calmly completes the necessary due diligence on its vaccine, then all well and good. If you rush a vaccine through the sign-off process just coz everyone else has completed their trials, you will draw the subsequent criticism.

 

[masterchief_mirza]

Of course Riaz with a moderately higher intelligence than the normal homo Pakistani Sub-Humana whinge's about some critics in a very noisy democracy. Having become an entire sub specie dedicated to offering its bottom to any passing power that delights in what Pakistan's bottom has to offer, it must come as a ice cold plunge to realise across, just a few miles, the worlds largest vaccine manufacturers are busy saving the world from what China has inflicted on to humanity.
The green monster rages, writhes and seethes with the first rays of morning light across the border.

Amidst a your wordsmithery, any chance you might be able to explain why it is appropriate for a well established vaccine producing nation, fully familiar with the stringent expectations of a validated vaccine trial programme, should suddenly find itself rubber stamping a vaccine for mass use without publishing phase 1/2 data and without even having completed phase 3?

Indians here rightly point out that their nation has experience in this precise industry, however suddenly, all protocol seems to have gone out the window when Modi demands a Bollywood show just to massage egos.

" "Since there is no data for the third phase of trials, we don't know how efficacious this vaccine is. We know it is safe, going by the limited phase two trials. What if we roll out a vaccine with unknown efficacy and later find it to be only 50% efficacious? Would it be fair to people who received it?" Dr Shahid Jameel, a leading virologist

All India Drug Action Network, a watchdog, said it was "baffled to understand the scientific logic" to approve "an incompletely studied vaccine".

How can a coronavirus vaccine be cleared for emergency use by millions of vulnerable people in a "clinical trial" mode?

No idea, says Dr Gagandeep Kang, one of India's best-known vaccine experts. "Either you are doing a clinical trial or not" .

It is still not clear what the regulator meant by saying that the vaccine would be administered in a "clinical trial mode". In a conventional trial, volunteers are not told whether they are given the vaccine or a placebo, and many are excluded from participating because of pre-existing health conditions."

"Clinical trial mode"??

In all my years I've never heard of this phrase, nor does it inspire confidence.

As Dr Gagandeep asked: is this a clinical trial or isn't it??

Is India literally going to do a test run and hope for the best? This is my inference from the phrase "clinical trial mode" and if I was in India, I would be breaking doors down to get any vaccine other than the one in "clinical trial mode".
"So did the regulator actually mean Covaxin would be administered to people in a "fourth phase of clinical trials" for ongoing studies after the vaccine is approved and marketed? "Give us some time to understand the whole thing. We don't know whether this will be treated as a trial," Dr Ella said."

Wow. Can this get any more amateurish?

India seems to be going backwards.

 

[Rollno21]

There you go learn the difference you'll see which ones are useful and which are not.

No you should check your vaccination history and find out

 

[Microsoft]

No you should check your vaccination history and find out

The vaccines I've gotten were probably invented before India was created why waste my time.

 

[Markandeya]

Chinese Vaccine has no clinical trial database and process as followed by others but Pakistan Govt has ok it to be given to people in this forum. Lets not waste our time.


India has the larger responsibility to save the world's most vulnerable and poor. Lots of countries are looking up to India and so Let India focus on date.

For thousands of years, What India is to the world, depicted in these 12 pictures.

 

[masterchief_mirza]

Chinese Vaccine has no clinical trial database and process as followed by others but Pakistan Govt has ok it to be given to people in this forum. Lets not waste our time.

Lolz.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(20)30843-4/fulltext

 

[IndiaIsBad]

My country cannot make a vaccine. So I will throw mud on countries that can.

 

[masterchief_mirza]

My country cannot make a vaccine. So I will throw mud on countries that can.

Indians throwing more mud on the Indian vaccine buffoonery (source BBC News):

How can a coronavirus vaccine be cleared for emergency use by millions of vulnerable people in a "clinical trial" mode?
No idea, says Dr Gagandeep Kang, one of India's best-known vaccine experts. "Either you are doing a clinical trial or not".

. All India Drug Action Network, a watchdog, said it was "baffled to understand the scientific logic" to approve "an incompletely studied vaccine".

"Since there is no data for the third phase of trials, we don't know how efficacious this vaccine is. We know it is safe, going by the limited phase two trials. What if we roll out a vaccine with unknown efficacy and later find it to be only 50% efficacious? Would it be fair to people who received it?" Dr Shahid Jameel, a leading virologist, told me.

It is still not clear what the regulator meant by saying that the vaccine would be administered in a "clinical trial mode". In a conventional trial, volunteers are not told whether they are given the vaccine or a placebo, and many are excluded from participating because of pre-existing health conditions.
Dr Ella said his firm will monitor the recipients after they've taken Covaxin jabs. This is likely to add to the logistics of the vaccination programme."

Why do other countries need to throw mud at India's clowning around, when enough Indians are already throwing a whole trenchload of mud on our behalf?

You folks should listen to your countrymen.

 

[IndiaIsBad]

Indians throwing more mud on the Indian vaccine buffoonery (source BBC News):

How can a coronavirus vaccine be cleared for emergency use by millions of vulnerable people in a "clinical trial" mode?
No idea, says Dr Gagandeep Kang, one of India's best-known vaccine experts. "Either you are doing a clinical trial or not".

. All India Drug Action Network, a watchdog, said it was "baffled to understand the scientific logic" to approve "an incompletely studied vaccine".

"Since there is no data for the third phase of trials, we don't know how efficacious this vaccine is. We know it is safe, going by the limited phase two trials. What if we roll out a vaccine with unknown efficacy and later find it to be only 50% efficacious? Would it be fair to people who received it?" Dr Shahid Jameel, a leading virologist, told me.

It is still not clear what the regulator meant by saying that the vaccine would be administered in a "clinical trial mode". In a conventional trial, volunteers are not told whether they are given the vaccine or a placebo, and many are excluded from participating because of pre-existing health conditions.
Dr Ella said his firm will monitor the recipients after they've taken Covaxin jabs. This is likely to add to the logistics of the vaccination programme."

Why do other countries need to throw mud at India's clowning around, when enough Indians are already throwing a whole trenchload of mud on our behalf?

You folks should listen to your countrymen.

She is expressing her doubts, as done in any democracy. To prove the immunogenicity of vaccines, CEPI will be evaluating them anyways.

 

[madlemon50]

Umhh they can't even build toilets but they are creating vaccine? I rather contract Covid than having this indian vaccine, probably kill you faster than the virus itself.

 

[jamahir]

India has the larger responsibility to save the world's most vulnerable and poor.

And you as a Capitalist are arranging that how in general ?

For thousands of years, What India is to the world,

The Aryan culture in India is around 3200 years or so old. Not more. Maybe even less.

For thousands of years, What India is to the world,
depicted in these 12 pictures.

Clicked on some of those pictures. Come on, they make ridiculous claims. India now is the most disharmonious, disbalanced, unjust and unscientific society in history where many of the leaders and sadly many of the commoners are not thinking of revolution but of continuance of socio-economically regressive, myth-filled and dog-eat-dog extremely competitive lives. A contrast to the "Oh, wonderful India " picture you paint with those pics.