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‘Modi may engage with Pak.’
Suhasini Haidar
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Pakistan’s former National Security Adviser Mahmud Durrani.


India and Pakistan must “cash in” on the moment to restart dialogue, says Pakistan’s former National Security Adviser Major-General (Retd.) Mahmud Durrani, who met with NSA Ajit Doval and Foreign Secretary S. Jaishankar this week.

In what seems to be the first possible signal that the Indian government may be open to another effort at talks six months after they were cancelled, General Durrani, who wouldn’t confirm the meetings, told The Hindu that his impression is that Prime Minister Narendra Modi would “like to move forward” on the dialogue, but would rather not pick up the old format of the composite dialogue process. “Mr. Modi is a different man with a different mind and a different thinking from the previous Prime Minister,” said Mr. Durrani, “I think he will probably engage with Pakistan, but he would like to do that in his own way.”

Ministry of External Affairs spokesperson Syed Akbaruddin, however, dismissed reports that Mr. Durrani’s visit had any official significance.

‘Nothing official about Durrani visit’

However both India and Pakistan were quick to dismiss the meetings as official. A Pakistani government source told The Hindu that the speculations that Mr. Durrani was a government ‘emissary’ were “misleading,” and Mr. Durrani himself said he was here in a “personal capacity” at the invitation of a think-tank, Centre of Dialogue and Reconciliation.

However, Mr. Durrani, who has always remained close to the military leadership, is understood to have held several “high-level” meetings before his visit here and said the army would support any move by Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif on talks. “They feel that talks must be fair, they must be dignified,” he said, referring to India’s conditions to stop cross border terrorism and the LoC ceasefire violations. “I mean, don’t rub our noses in the ground and expect us to cooperate. But other than that, I think the Pakistani army is supportive of talks.”

Meanwhile, Mr. Durrani’s claim that there was a new “moment” of an anti-terror resolve by the Pakistan government after the Peshawar school massacre was belied by anti-India rallies in Pakistan held by Hafiz Saeed and the Jamaat-ud-Dawa to mark what they call “Kashmir Solidarity day on Thursday.

“Post-Peshawar is a different ballgame in Pakistan,” Mr. Durrani had told The Hindu. “What I gather is that the government is trying hard to muzzle him.”

Reacting to the rallies, that are an annual ritual in Pakistan, Mr. Akbaruddin said, “It is time for Pakistan to start paying attention to all the problems that afflict them, rather than covet what is not theirs and never will be [Jammu and Kashmir].”

While Mr. Durrani’s meetings would represent the first contact of its kind, however indirect and unofficial, between New Delhi and Islamabad in the past few months, diplomats have been in regular touch. A visible thaw in relations was seen in December after the Peshawar attack in which 140 students were killed. Mr. Doval had visited the Pakistan High Commission, writing in the condolence book that “India is solidly behind the people and government of Pakistan, will do everything possible to help them counter the menace [of terrorism].”

Later in the month, Pakistan High Commissioner Abdul Basit had also met with Mr. Doval where it is learnt that discussions on the possibility of restarting the Foreign Secretary-level dialogue were held. However, the efforts received a setback after a series of ceasefire violations by Pakistan left Indian Jawans dead at the LoC in January.

It remains to be seen if the latest attempts at re-establishing contact will prove more successful. At the end of his visit, General Durrani said he was more optimistic now than he was when he arrived.

‘Modi may engage with Pak.’ - The Hindu
 
Post-Peshawar is a different ballgame in Pak: Durrani
Suhasini Haidar

Interview with Former Pakistan NSA General Mahmud Durrani
Former Pakistan NSA General Mahmud Durrani also called “General Shanti” for his role in backchannel talks denies that his meeting with NSA Ajit Doval were in any official capacity, but he is hopeful talks can be restarted now. He spoke to Diplomatic Editor Suhasini Haidar.

You have been in Delhi, meeting several officials, amidst speculation that India-Pakistan talks could be given another push in the near future. How hopeful are you that they may be restarted?

Quite honestly , when I left Pakistan, I was quite unhappy, because everyone here blamed the Pakistan for the border incidents, and Pakistan denies it. You know, the truth is always lost in these border skirmishes, so I was not very hopeful, but I still wanted to come here and speak to people here, and get a real feel. But after visiting Delhi, meeting officials, mostly non-officials, I am a little more optimistic, that this is a moment India and Pakistan need to cash on. We can restart some kind of dialogue.

Specifically, what was your impression when you met NSA Ajit Doval?

I am not even saying I met him. I am not saying I did or not. I’m making no comment.

You said you were less hopeful of a dialogue with India when you were in Pakistan. Why is that?

The reality is that the perceptions about Modi in Pakistan were very negative, he is seen as anti-Muslim and anti-Pakistan. After meeting people here, I think this is not correct. The impression I get is that he would like to move forward. What I see is that he is a man of action. He wants to do things, but in his own way. So another thing I learnt is we shouldn’t try and pick up things from our old talks, and try and push that through, because that might not work.

So not the composite dialogue?

Yes something like composite dialogue, and strategic balance are just buzzwords we have created over the years, that may not work. Modi is a different man with a different mind, and a different thinking from the previous Prime Minister. I think he will probably engage with Pakistan. And the impression I get is he would like to do that, but in his own way.

Apart from the firing at the border, the one thing that has held back talks with Pakistan is the public way the Mumbai mastermind Hafiz Saeed operates, addressing rallies etc. Can there ever be a change in Pakistan’s policy on him?

First thing I am 110% sure that the government of Pakistan and the establishment is not supporting him any which way. He is doing it on his own. Technically from what I am told, we don’t have a case against him, that he is a terrorist. He heads Jamaat ud Dawa that is a welfare organisation. But what I gather is that the government is trying hard to muzzle him.

In what way? Because we see him coming out and holding rallies, there don’t seem to be any restrictions on him. When you say there is no case against him, surely the fact that besides India, he and the JuD are designated terrorist entities by both the US and the UN as well, should count for something? Shouldn’t it mean something for the Pakistan government, especially post-Peshawar?

Yes, and Post-Peshawar is a different ballgame in Pakistan, and I think you will see a difference. Because it isn’t like you can turn on an electric switch and you will see a change in a few hours. But I am convinced that you will see a difference.

How does the Pakistani army feel about the possibility of talks? Because in India it is believed that it is the military that derails talks.

I am convinced that the Pakistan military would support talks with India. They feel that talks must be fair, they must be dignified. I mean don’t rub our noses in the ground and expect us to cooperate. It won’t work. But other than that, I think the Pakistani army is supportive of talks, they want the political leadership to lead those talks and they will in their own way contribute to them.

And would Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif today have the political clout to pick up the threads of dialogue today, and to carry it forward?

I think that he has a desire. Benazir had a desire. Zardari had a desire. The political leadership in Pakistan has wanted better relations with India. I think he can deliver but particularly when the military establishment is supporting him.

How do the Army and Pakistan see the closeness between India and the US that has emerged especially after President Obama’s visit?

Well I think mostly in Pakistan they worry about the nuclear deal, that somehow it will free up nuclear material for the production of weapons. So they see that as an indirect threat. But I think improved relations between India and the US were expected, on the cards. In the current geostrategic environment, to me they look like natural partners. We have a relationship with the US that goes on its own trajectory and its own velocity. Similiarly, the US-India relationship is going along with its own trajectory.

Post-Peshawar is a different ballgame in Pak: Durrani - The Hindu
 
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How many 'posts' must India endure ?

Did anything change Post Kargil , Post Mumbai, Post Abbotabad, Post Kamran Base, or any other earth shattering events in & around Pakistan that Peshawar will be any different ?

I hope the 2050 Indians are genuine about making peace than your generation.
 
No need for further dialog, just hold an internationally monitored plebiscite in Kashmir and be done with the issue. Otherwise both countries will remain in state of conflict.
 
No need for further dialog, just hold an internationally monitored plebiscite in Kashmir and be done with the issue. Otherwise both countries will remain in state of conflict.
Sure, start moving your troops out of Kashmir, and let the original inhabitants come back.
 
I hope they start dialogues.India needs to change it's approach,you can't ditch us forever.Tensions at border and many issues can be resolved,and that too easily.

Sure, start moving your troops out of Kashmir, and let the original inhabitants come back.
Indian part of Kashmir has more soldiers than Kashmiris . clearly not the same case here.
 
I still do not understand why India does not allow an independence referendum to take place in Kashmir like the one happened in UK about Scotland. Let them decide and will settle this issue.

Pakistan is ready to do the same on their side of Kashmir and have been more than half a century.

Why don't Indians do this.
 
really ? but I thought the Pakistan military and intelligence had evidence of Indian involvement in the Peshawar massacre. :coffee:
 
I still do not understand why India does not allow an independence referendum to take place in Kashmir like the one happened in UK about Scotland. Let them decide and will settle this issue.

Pakistan is ready to do the same on their side of Kashmir and have been more than half a century.

Why don't Indians do this.
There is a difference between so called democracy and real democracy,learn the difference.
 
I still do not understand why India does not allow an independence referendum to take place in Kashmir like the one happened in UK about Scotland. Let them decide and will settle this issue.

Pakistan is ready to do the same on their side of Kashmir and have been more than half a century.

Why don't Indians do this.

Same reason we do not do it in any other Indian state.

The integrity of the nation is not negotiable. We are ready to talk about anything else.
 
Same reason we do not do it in any other Indian state.

The integrity of the nation is not negotiable. We are ready to talk about anything else.

I understand this but these are exceptional circumstances. Let them decide what they want.

Once Kashmir issue is out of the way I see Pakistan and India establishing everlasting peace for sure.
 

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