Mig 27: Shot Down or Crashed?

[Lincoln]

My analysis piece. Some of you are not going to read this full thing, so here's the short answer: it likely crashed.

For those interested, here is the...

Long Answer

For those saying that the wreckage looks like it was shot down. That simply cannot be true. When a jet is hit in an air collision, the jet is quite literally decimated. Many of its body parts burn and crash in pieces. The body of the jet is destroyed or disfigured. You all can go look at the picture of the Mig-21 Bison shot down by PAF, the pieces of the jet are everywhere, and you can see the main frame disintegrated and disfigured.

As for the Mig-27 photos, you can clearly dissect the whole thing into three photos, one showing the main frame, one showing the engine, and the other showing a piece burning. The main frame has no large burn marks on it. The engine however has its whole lower part burnt black. There is also a photo of the front landing gear completely intact (only one of the two wheels is missing) entangled in roots, just goes to show that it crash landed and the gears were out when it crashed. You can see that the middle of the main frame is completely intact and not disfigured, the wings and frame, while the part at the back is more the less detached rather than disintegrated.

Now to answer those who might be wondering why the engine is separated and burnt, and why the front cockpit is missing.

Some people stereotypically assume that a jet crash is supposed to be a crash with a large crater, lots of stuff burnt black, and a large pile of junk just burning. That is the case if the jet stalls and crashes nose first, or sometimes engine first as well. But sometimes, jets can crash gliding down, and when they do, their engines often catch fire. There's a chance that the main frame can turn out alive and intact and not disfigured, that is unless the fire caught at the engine part runs down to the front as well, which doesn't have to always be the case. Look at the picture below of a YF-22 that crashed. Those are not its afterburners engaged, that's the literal engines on flame.

The flames at the engine likely disintegrated a part of the back, causing the engine to completely detach from the jet. As for why the cockpit is missing, I am not too sure but here's a picture of the Harrier Jet below.

You can see its engine part burning. You can also see that its nose suffered a blow after it crash landed as the jet, due to momentum, turned down after crashing against the ground. Another feature you will be able to see is its landing gears seen literally detaching from the jet.

My Theory

Since it is claimed to be on a training mission, it was likely at low speed. After the jet's engine failed, the jet was likely glided down. Before and near the impact, the pilot ejected, and the jet crash landed.

That's my speculation.
Comments welcomed.

 

[PakSword]

The burning part is the engine.. so one pic is before engine was burned, second pic after it caught fire mysteriously

 

[Lincoln]

The burning part is the engine.. so one pic is before engine was burned, second pic after it caught fire mysteriously

You mean this one?

I see we have started using Indian tactics. They were trying to make a F-16 out of our own posted Mig pictures. Now we are trying to make a burning and non burning engine out of their own posted pictures.

The two pieces don't look the same, the site too.

 

[Khafee]

My theory: It was shot down somewhere else, parts moved here.

 

[Windjammer]

In one of the videos of the crashed site, there are a few cannon shells on the ground, seems as if there was no fire on the main body of the aircraft.

 

[BHarwana]

@Alternatiiv Did this crashed or was it shot down?

 

[Lincoln]

@Alternatiiv Did this crashed or was it shot down?

I think your brain crashed, nothing more.

 

[PakSword]

You mean this one?

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I see we have started using Indian tactics. They were trying to make a F-16 out of our own posted Mig pictures. Now we are trying to make a burning and non burning engine out of their own posted pictures.

The two pieces don't look the same, the site too.

I can see the engine front... Just look closely... Rest of the facts about site and parts don't count because I am advocating the engine was set on fire later... Site might be changed before burning it..

I am not saying it was shot by us... But the parts were definitely placed..

And your theory that crashed jets jets don't disintegrate and parts aren't found in large areas is flawed as it depends on the angle and velocity with which jet hits the ground... And your theory that missile hit disintegrates the jet in air is also not true all the time...

 

[crankthatskunk]

In the other thread I have shared two photographs of the jets crashing at low speed and sliding down on the ground.

In both cases the jets were intact. They caught fire on the ground, but gouging of the earth was there and the debris were in one place not scattered.

In this instance, you can see the debris were scattered in at least 4 places we have pictures of, there may be more.

The separation of engine and other parts from the main frame of the jet, doesn't hold your hypothesis correct.
it is no slow speed crash where body of the jet is intact.

 

[Yaseen1]

if it is shot down more chances are that it is downed by india own sam

 

[Lincoln]

I can see the engine front... Just look closely... Rest of the facts about site and parts don't count because I am advocating the engine was set on fire later... Site might be changed before burning it..

I am not saying it was shot by us... But the parts were definitely placed..

And your theory that crashed jets jets don't disintegrate and parts aren't found in large areas is flawed as it depends on the angle and velocity with which jet hits the ground... And your theory that missile hit disintegrates the jet in air is also not true all the time...

True, it depends on the angle and velocity at which the jet crashes. This crash suggest a low velocity and an angle perpendicular to the ground.

And when a missile hits a jet, it does disintegrate the jet, that is always a true.

 

[BHarwana]

When a jet is hit in an air collision, the jet is quite literally decimated. Many of its body parts burn and crash in pieces. The body of the jet is destroyed or disfigured.

Where is the body of this MIG-27 I cannot see the wings or tail or nose there is nothing there Just some image of fuselage.

 

[Lincoln]

In the other thread I have shared two photographs of the jets crashing at low speed and sliding down on the ground.
In both cases the jets were intact. They caught fire on the ground, but gouging of the earth was there and the debris were in one place not scattered.

In this instance, you can see the debris were scattered in at least 4 places we have pictures of, there may be more.

The separation of engine and other parts from the main frame of the jet, doesn't hold your hypothesis correct.
it is no slow speed crash where body of the jet is intact.

Dear, a jet crash landing isn't always going to turn out with a fully intact jet. For god's sake. There are variances. But the evidence of the intact main frame and wings points, with intact landing gears points that it likely crash landed and glided down.

And the debris is not much at all, I can literally count the debris on my finger tips.

And no, my hypothesis still is not incorrected, I already explained that the engine catching fire could've caused the engine to detach from the main body, you should read it again perhaps.

Where is the body of this MIG-27 I cannot see the wings or tail or nose there is nothing there Just some image of fuselage.

Not sure if you're trolling me. But here it is again. A jet which crashes nose first or is shot down by a missile in the air, is not going to have absolutely no disfigurement to its main body, or its wings still attached.

 

[crankthatskunk]

Where is the body of this MIG-27 I cannot see the wings or tail or nose there is nothing there Just some image of fuselage.

Yeap, as I stated that only 4 pictures are shown, there ought to be more pictures of the debris or as you stated it, it is a complete sham. This jet definitely with 1000000000% certainty didn't "crashed" here.
As I have indicated in the other thread it is one of the kill by PAF on 27th Feb.
I point to the analysis I did on OBL raid, the seals who took part were after a year declared dead in a copter crash in Afghanistan.
That's how cover ups happened.

 

[PakSword]

And when a missile hits a jet, it does disintegrate the jet, that is always a true.

Missiles don't always hit the jet in the middle... They sometimes hit the tail or a wing only.

Anyway, have you watched the pic of the Indian jet that was coming down on 27th?