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Mexico demands apology for colonial 'abuses,' Spain hits back

25 MAR 2019

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Mexican President Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador took office in December after a landslide election win that represented a firm break with Mexico's traditional political parties

The 500-year-old wounds of the Spanish conquest were ripped open afresh on Monday when Mexico's president urged Spain and the Vatican to apologize for their "abuses" -- a request Madrid said it "firmly rejects."

President Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador, an anti-establishment leftist, reopened the debate over Spain's centuries of dominance in the New World with a video posted to social media, urging Spanish King Felipe VI and Pope Francis to apologize for the conquest and the rights violations committed in its aftermath.

"I have sent a letter to the king of Spain and another to the pope calling for a full account of the abuses and urging them to apologize to the indigenous peoples (of Mexico) for the violations of what we now call their human rights," Lopez Obrador, 65, said in the video, filmed at the ruins of the indigenous city of Comalcalco.

"There were massacres and oppression. The so-called conquest was waged with the sword and the cross. They built their churches on top of the (indigenous) temples," he said.

"The time has come to reconcile. But let us ask forgiveness first."

Spain's reaction was swift and unequivocal.

"The government of Spain deeply regrets that the letter the Mexican president sent to his majesty the king, whose contents we firmly reject, has been made public," it said in a statement.

"The arrival, 500 years ago, of Spaniards to present Mexican territory cannot be judged in the light of contemporary considerations," it said.

"Our two brother nations have always known how to read our shared past without anger and with a constructive perspective, as free peoples with a shared history and extraordinary influence."

- 300-year reign -

Lopez Obrador took office in December after a landslide election win that represented a firm break with Mexico's traditional political parties.

A folksy populist, he pulls no punches in going after traditional elites -- but had so far cultivated cordial relations with Spain, including during a visit to Mexico City by Spanish Prime Minister Pedro Sanchez earlier this year.

Lopez Obrador made the remarks during a visit to his native Tabasco state, in southern Mexico.

He was later due to visit the nearby city of Centla. On March 14, 1519, the site was the scene of one of the first battles between Spanish conquistador Hernan Cortes and the indigenous peoples of the land now known as Mexico.

With the help of horses, swords, guns and smallpox -- all unknown in the New World at the time -- Cortes led an army of less than 1,000 men to defeat the Aztec empire, the start of 300 years of Spanish rule over Mexico.

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it was an ugly chapter in human history
Indeed. It must be noted that the Mestizos are no innocent to this tragedy. They continued to rape, pillage, and convert millions of pure Natives. Had it been stopped, we would’ve been looking at an African Mexico due to surplus migrants counteracting the Spanish.
 
it was an ugly chapter in human history
Indeed. It must be noted that the Mestizos are no innocent to this tragedy. They continued to rape, pillage, and convert millions of pure Natives. Had it been stopped, we would’ve been looking at an African Mexico due to surplus migrants counteracting the Spanish.
I recommend u edit both of your first posts.
 
Yes, when Mexico gained its Independence in 1821 the indigenous people were finally treated like human beings.....LOL yeah right!!

Even until this day there are two types of Mexicans. The more taller "European" Mexicans and the more shorter "Indigenous" Mexicans. The friction is real thick.
 
Yes, when Mexico gained its Independence in 1821 the indigenous people were finally treated like human beings.....LOL yeah right!!

Even until this day there are two types of Mexicans. The more taller "European" Mexicans and the more shorter "Indigenous" Mexicans. The friction is real thick.
Yup even to this day...

Popular event that has been happening is that Mestizo-type Mexicans go around and grab Native girls and rape them everyday. It’s sad. Native population is now reduced to the thousands—they are really rare to find.

Invader Mestizos are trying to appropriate Native culture. Calling themselves “Proud Mexicans”, yet hypocritically they themselves speak Spanish and treat pure Natives as second-class citizens.

Never seen a more delusional race of people in the world!
 
Yup even to this day...

Popular event that has been happening is that Mestizo-type Mexicans go around and grab Native girls and rape them everyday. It’s sad. Native population is now reduced to the thousands—they are really rare to find.

Invader Mestizos are trying to appropriate Native culture. Calling themselves “Proud Mexicans”, yet hypocritically they themselves speak Spanish and treat pure Natives as second-class citizens.

Never seen a more delusional race of people in the world!

You should see the girls go at it. You can imagine these taller Spanish girls vs the smaller native ones and how that plays out with boyfriends.

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@Dewaneh @Hamartia Antidote

Not acceptable to be racist towards Mexicans. It’s utterly ridiculous.

Mexicans are some of the nicest and kindest people you will ever meet in the states. I have never had any problems with them.

Mexico is right, Spain should apologize and pay reparations to Mexicans. I agree 100%.

All former colonies should start demanding these rights.
 
@Dewaneh @Hamartia Antidote

Not acceptable to be racist towards Mexicans. It’s utterly ridiculous.

Mexicans are some of the nicest and kindest people you will ever meet in the states. I have never had any problems with them.

Mexico is right, Spain should apologize and pay reparations to Mexicans. I agree 100%.

All former colonies should start demanding these rights.
Under a certain policy hollywood potrays the 0.5% wrong side of Mexico and completely ignores the other 99.5%. Even when they show Mexico it is always some dirt village with goats wandering around with one mansion of a drug lord looming over it when in reality this is Mexico.
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Here in Australia some of the most famous resturant chains are Mexican like Zambrero and Guzman v Gomez.
 
Under a certain policy hollywood potrays the 0.5% wrong side of Mexico and completely ignores the other 99.5%. Even when they show Mexico it is always some dirt village with goats wandering around with one mansion of a drug lord looming over it when in reality this is Mexico.
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Here in Australia some of the most famous resturant chains are Mexican like Zambrero and Guzman v Gomez.

My brother just got back from Mexico city. He says it’s essentially the New York City of Mexico.
 
Under a certain policy hollywood potrays the 0.5% wrong side of Mexico and completely ignores the other 99.5%. Even when they show Mexico it is always some dirt village with goats wandering around with one mansion of a drug lord looming over it when in reality this is Mexico.
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Here in Australia some of the most famous resturant chains are Mexican like Zambrero and Guzman v Gomez.

Mexico, beautiful music, vibrant colors, unique culture, strong economy, and kind/hospitable people.

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my post was in bad taste. it reflected what happened @Pakhtoon yum
I feel bad for the Poor Natives, they are the good ones. But these Mixed-Mestizo-Mexicans make my blood boil, even though they are hot.

I just don’t like their culture. Heavy drinking, drug usage, gangster culture, extremely violent. To be honest, I have yet to see a contemporary modest Mexican.

Mexico, beautiful music, vibrant colors, unique culture, strong economy, and kind/hospitable people.

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Unfortunately this Aztec culture has been destroyed and replaced by some very vulgar elements at the hands of the Mestizos.
 
I feel bad for the Poor Natives, they are the good ones. But these Mixed-Mestizo-Mexicans make my blood boil, even though they are hot.

I just don’t like their culture. Heavy drinking, drug usage, gangster culture, extremely violent. To be honest, I have yet to see a contemporary modest Mexican.

You and I must have different experiences.

I have many Mexican friends and we get along very well. They have a lot of curiosity and goodwill towards Muslims and Islam.

Unfortunately this Aztec culture has been destroyed and replaced by some very vulgar elements.

Janab, isn’t that all non-Muslim societies?

Why are we judging the lifestyle choice of non-Muslims?

As long as they are kind and nice to us, we shouldn’t worry about their personal lives, whether they drink, eat pork, party etc.
 

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