Mechanised Divisions Pakistan Army

[Signalian]

Akhnoor isn't located along LoC. The division was converted into a RAPID keeping in view the vulnerability of the area.

30 Corps has two IABG's right across and some of it's infantry battalions have been apparently mechanized in last 3 years following delivery of VCC-1 Camillino. Then, there is the 1 Corps.

Alcotan is useful everywhere - in areas providing cover, i.e., buildings/houses and even in the desert: have 1 soldier with Alcotan in every section sitting inside an APC.

Regarding SP mortar, PA has a large inventory of Type 59's - a few hundred should be converted into SP mortar or ATGM carrier vehicles with fire on the move ATGM's like Ingwe (and possibly HJ-12).

Akhnoor is located behind LOC. This area of LOC is tank passable, as seen in 1965 operation Grandslam.

In case of Alcotan, there are better options out there with better specs like RPG-29, AT-4 upgraded series, Panzerfaust 3 etc. The confined space element seems to be the only difference.

I doubt PA will convert any MBT into APC or SP.

 

[Gryphon]

Akhnoor is located behind LOC. This area of LOC is tank passable, as seen in 1965 operation Grandslam.

It is located along what is called working boundary in Pakistan. The area has seen tank battles, however the terrain isn't exactly plain - boggy land and small hills.

In case of Alcotan, there are better options out there with better specs like RPG-29, AT-4 upgraded series, Panzerfaust 3 etc. The confined space element seems to be the only difference.

Panzerfaust 3 - yes, AT4 and RPG 29 - no.

ALCOTAN-AT (M2)

100 mm calibre
Weight
(transport configuration) 10,5 kg
Effective range 600 m
(point target)
Penetration 700 mm
(ERA + armour steel)

http://instalaza.com/producto/alcotan/?lang=en

AT4 HEAT

Dismounted soldiers are exposed to many threats, among them infantry fighting vehicles. The AT4 HEAT provides a powerful defence against such adversaries. AT4 HEAT is a shoulder-launched anti-armour weapon with a unique warhead design, offering a very high kill-probability and a launch system providing a very high hit-probability.

Range 40-400 m
Calibre
84 mm
Weight
< 7 kg
Length
< 1 m
Armour penetration
> 420 mm

http://saab.com/land/weapon-systems/support-weapons/AT4/

PG-29V
Round

Warhead type tandem HEAT
Caliber, mm 105
Weight, kg 6,7
Sighting range of fire, m 500
Penetration,more than, mm:
RHA (behind ERA) 600

http://roe.ru/eng/catalog/land-forces/strelkovoe-oruzhie/grenade-launchers/pg-29v/

Pzf 3-IT600

Caliber 60mm barrel, 110mm warhead
Weight, ready to fire 14,3 kg
Effective range 600 m
Armor penetration 900 mm RHA + reactive armor

http://modernfirearms.net/en/grenade-launchers/germany-grenade-launchers/panzerfaust-3-eng/

Clearly, better penetration comes with a bigger caliber (and added weight).

I doubt PA will convert any MBT into APC or SP.

I doubt it too, but some hope exists.

 

[The Eagle]

Thread status change to sticky. Continue participation with quality, productive and informative discussion.

Regards,

 

[Tps43]

Thread status change to sticky. Continue participation with quality, productive and informative discussion.

Regards,

@Signalian

 

[rvats]

I think it was mentioned in one of the posts that IA's 33rd Armored Division has less number of tanks. That is not the case. All Armored Divisions in Indian Army have 5 armored regiments. Structure for three armored brigades is (armored regiments + mechanized infantry regiments): 1st bde - 2+2 while 2nd bde - 2+1 and 3rd bde - 1+2

 

[khanasifm]

lets see if this quad launcher shows up on vehicles and APCs

 

[SipahSalar]

Theoretically the 25th and 26th are mechanised divisions but in fact these 2 divisions are heavily armoured and have more strength (in infantry) than even 1st Armoured and 6th Armoured Divisions of Pakistan Army.

Can you explain this statement please? To my knowledge in terms of personnel, infantry divisions are usually twice as large as Armoured divisions. So why is it a big deal if the Mechanized Infantry Division has more personnel than the Armoured divison? Or are you saying they have even more tanks than the Armoured division?

 

[Signalian]

Can you explain this statement please? To my knowledge in terms of personnel, infantry divisions are usually twice as large as Armoured divisions.

Correct

So why is it a big deal if the Mechanized Infantry Division has more personnel than the Armoured divison?

1. Armor Div should have more armor regiments instead of just 5.
2.Armor Div doesnt have any Mechanized Infantry Battalions equipped with APC.

I have given an overview in Armor Div topic.

Its not about comparison of more personnel.

Or are you saying they have even more tanks than the Armoured division?

Number of MBT are same in both Armor and Mechanised Divs.

 

[Basel]

 

[Armchair]

Correct


1. Armor Div should have more armor regiments instead of just 5.
2.Armor Div doesnt have any Mechanized Infantry Battalions equipped with APC.

I have given an overview in Armor Div topic.

Its not about comparison of more personnel.

Number of MBT are same in both Armor and Mechanised Divs.

Fantastic thread. Had a good read. Thanks. Have a question - How many motorized infantry divisions and how many standard infantry divisions?

 

[Reichsmarschall]

i cant seem to find your thread about Infantry Divs
@Signalian

 

[Signalian]

Fantastic thread. Had a good read. Thanks. Have a question - How many motorized infantry divisions and how many standard infantry divisions?

all infantry divisions are motorized in way that they have motor transport in the form of pickups and trucks for personnel and cargo, you can see that in convoys. But not a standard wheeled armored transport or IFV like MRAP/BTR series etc.

i cant seem to find your thread about Infantry Divs
@Signalian

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/the-infantry-division-of-pa.547663/

 

[Dazzler]

@Signalian @Gryphon how 1650 T-90s and 2410 T-72s(which are very good) will be confronted by our mere 1500 modern tanks?



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@Areesh @DESERT FIGHTER @naveedullahkhankhattak

They dont have 1650 t-90s in service, rather close o 800 until two years ago. Most of the t-72s are still not upgraded with night sights which make them less effective during night time. Most of their guns are still faulty, and incompatible with the ammo of t-90 including BM-42 mango apfsds as well as Invar (Reflex) ATGM.

These inflated wiki figures a a part of their propaganda. The situation on ground s still pretty dismal. They still suffer from tank ammo deficiency to this day.

 

[SSGcommandoPAK]

 

[zulu]

How is our night fighting capability ???