The level of nonsense and vomit coming out of these indos here is completely unacceptable. The discourse and discussion here should be civilized, and if they are unable to participate in the discussion in a civilized manner, they should be dealt with severely and harshly.
I am really surprised at the audacity and arrogance of these indians. The Indian Army has repeatedly been found to commit mass crimes against humanity, not just by Pakistani sources which these indos may brush aside as biased, but also from various media outlets throughout the world. And they have the arrogance to come over here, a Pakistani Defence forum, and belittle the human tragedy their army does over there. Shame on them. It goes to show how humane they are. This is psychopathic, patriotically supporting the slaughter of innocent civilians.
Many independent international news outlets are beginning to cover India's attrocities in Kashmir. Foreign Policy Magazine did an excellent job of covering the mass-graves India tries to hide from the world. Here's an excerpt from their article:
Sidiq has been working on the river for 12 years now. Every week or two, as he hoists a shovel full of sand from the riverbed, he finds himself staring at a skull, a broken skeleton, or a shattered femur. "Most of the dead were young men. You could see their shiny teeth; you could tell from the skull, he was very, very young. One day I found a young man.... He had been badly tortured. Both his hands and feet had been chopped off," says Sidiq as he sits beneath the majestic maple trees lining the riverbank.
A fellow sand-digger in his early 40s, Naseer Ahmed, found a skull in March. "It was a small skull. It would have been a 16- or 17-year-old boy. The other day, it was a thigh with flesh still on it," Ahmed said. "It is a haunted river."
By 1996, according to conservative official estimates, around 15,000 had been killed -- a number that has since risen to 70,000. India's military, paramilitary, and police forces deployed in massive numbers to pacify the rebellious province, and tens of thousands of Kashmiri civilians were taken into custody. Thousands never returned. Human Rights Watch, Amnesty International, and several Indian rights groups have repeatedly urged the Indian government to investigate the disappearances in Kashmir, but the government and the Army consistently argued that the missing weren't dead: They had crossed over to Pakistan to train as militants.
Stories of arrests, torture, killings, and secret burials were rife in Kashmir throughout the 1990s. Akhter Mohiuddin, a much-respected Kashmiri short-story writer, dedicated a collection of stories to "young men who were murdered at unknown places,"
In December 2009, the common knowledge that thousands were killed and buried in unknown places turned out to be true. The International People's Tribunal on Human Rights and Justice in Indian-Administered Kashmir (IPTK), a group of human rights activists led by a local rights group, published a report called "Buried Evidence" that established and conclusively documented the presence of 2,700 unmarked graves of unidentified people in three northern districts of the Kashmir Valley, close to the Line of Control.
Kashmir's Mass-Graves Come to Light | Foreign Policy magazine
The overwhelming facts speak for themselves, regardless of how much the Indians whine, complain, or ignore it. It would be in their own national interest to stop this genocide on the people of Kashmir, because it's a fact that attrocities of this level cannot be hidden for long. Already, various International organizations have begun to take notice.
Kashmir would continue to be a very painful thorn in India's side. The last time we fought over Kashmir was at Kargil. And India had a very difficult time over there - Israel's ambassador to India talked about this; he said Israel proved it's friendship to India at Kargil, where it helped India turn a loosing war around. It is known that they supplied chemical weapons which Pakistan's strategists hadn't calculated on India having, and that caused a few hundred casualties. Despite the help, Pakistan actually gained territory, including highly strategic peaks on India's side, and despite trying for many many years, they failed to gain control. India's propaganda machine desperately tries to ignore this fact when they try to spin Kargil as a victory for them.
India's Defence Minister was asked by the parliament if India had lost any territory, and he had to lie to save his dignity. When the facts came out about an entire mountain being lost to Pakistan(Tiger Hill 5353), he had to make a junior secretary a scapegoat and take the fall for it. This mountain overlooks India's only supply highway into the region, and if there's a war again, I'm afraid that route might not be very usable anymore. The Indian Army will be choked up there, and held to bare the consequences of their terrible attrocities. Due to the strategic importance of the peak, the Indian Army fought for many years(till 2003) to recapture it, with many major operations being launched to re-capture it. Sadly, they all failed. An army that terrorizes innocent unarmed civilians is no fighting force.
India should stop the slaughter in Kashmir, though our enemy gets very excited when we're in a weak position, we aren't liable to be down forever. We're the only airforce to have achieved a 100% kill-ratio against the Israeli airforce(considered one of the best-trained in the world), and we did it with inferior aircraft flying against the best the US had to offer to Israel. The Indian AF ended up shooting their own aircraft even in training exercise. They would be well-advised to stop this brutal oppression, their cruelty makes our blood boil, and Pakistan knows how to avenge itself. India will have consequences if it continues down this path, regardless of how that makes these naive indo tweenagers on this forum feel, or the delusions they wish to believe regardless of facts covered by numerous international publications.
