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Make in India: 70 years of lying

Before repeating the Mulla's story of lost keys in this column, here is a brief description of an illustration I just came across. It's so telling. For any upright, gentle, and well meaning Indian - and let's not deny there are many such Indians - it must be shocking to core. A child, certainly from Kashmir, looks at some lines written on a wall. He stretches himself up on his toes, to make a correction on those lines. He strikes out one word at the end of this sentence, and replaces it with another. Here is the sentence that the kid finding on the wall:
If you repeat a lie often enough, it becomes truth

This kid strikes out word TRUTH, and then scribbles another in its place. Here is what the sentences finlly becomes:
If you repeat a lie often enough, it becomes INDIA
If I were an Indian, I would be immensely pained on this!
Capturing 70 years of India's engagement with Kashmir, there is no perfect description than this. Uncle Nehru has left a huge legacy of untruth for his children in India. What a great inheritance of loss for a country that is full of people like us, who want to live their lives happily without turning lives of others miserable. We in Kashmir know it well, but who is going to tell it to Indians that this is what your political leaders have made of your country in Kashmir. This is how a country with all its people and history stand mutilated in Kashmir. That is why Indians need to stand up against this leadership, and this politics, for the sake of themselves. Among many other things, Indians need freedom from lies that have been told in their name, freedom from oppression unleashed in their name, freedom from murders committed in their name. To a long list of freedoms that a Kanayya Kumar read out – sloganed out – at JNU, there is much more to add. Indians need freedom from lies fed to them by the state of India. So just one thing to those who come from India and want us talk to them on Kashmir: return back and do an honest talking with your own people. My problem in Kashmir stands solved the day Indian state and Indian political leadership hold honest talks with its own people.
Another All Parties Delegation comes to Kashmir, deceiving a billion people back in India. The core content of any process of resolution to Kashmir conflict is truth telling, and this is what Indian leadership is afraid of. It is pointless to come here, unless you cease the practice of manufacturing lies on Kashmir. The well wishers of people of this region are waiting the day when an All Party Delegation is formed, not boarded for Srinagar, but to visit cities and villages of India and talk to people about Kashmir. Talk about lies that have been fed to them, talk about truth that was never told to them. That would be the beginning of any honest process of resolution. That day no Geelani, no Mirwaiz, no Malik will have any problems in talking to you. In fact they would not require to talk, because everything on Kashmir is so obvious. But right now, you are only in the process of producing another consignment of lies. How is that going to help anyone in this region!
The keys to the resolution of Kashmir conflict are with Delhi, and Delhi alone can open the lock. It is India that has created this problem, complicated it over time, and raised mountains of violence on it. Everyone, excepts India, wants resolution to this problem. But none except India can solve it. Why search keys in Srinagar when you know they are in Delhi. All Parties Delegation would better leave and get the keys from Delhi. And for that they will have to talk amongst themselves. Before the misguided masses of India furiously stand up some day and demand an accounting of the lies that have been sold to them, it's better if the leadership of India prepares for a confession. Any leadership that does so will run down in history as the real benefactor of Indians.
Now the Mulla's story.
Mulla Nasruddin was once seen outside his house. He was keenly searching for something in his yard. Someone passed by and enquired that what was he looking for. On being replied that he was looking for his keys, the man joined him in this search. When the two couldn't find keys and were nearing exhaustion, the man asked Mulla: ''Do you have any idea where exactly you dropped the keys?'' Snap came the answer: ''Inside my house.'' ''Then why are you looking for them here?!'', the man snapped back. Now listen to what Mulla had to say: “Because, there is more light here than in my house.''
It is no funny joke, and Mulla doesn't want us to laugh at it. He teaches us a lesson. Getting inside the room would be taking responsibility for the act, and also braving the darkness. This is what the leadership of India will have to do someday. Brave the darkness they have created in India for all these seven decades, and who knows how many more years will they keep this National Project of Darkness running. To avoid that unease they are opting for easier ways; sending All Parties Delegations, doing Round Tables, and preparing Reports. Doing all this to tell Indians, and to the rest of the world, that we are serious in finding a solution, and it's the other side that is running away. Make in India Lies.
http://m.greaterkashmir.com/news/opinion/make-in-india-70-years-of-lying/227537.html
@django @The Sandman @Moonlight @Mugwop @WAJsal @krash
 
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To me a good solution would be India to hold plebiscite itself in Kashmir, not in Jammu and ladakh -
1. Any area from Kashmir that wants to join Pakistan should be allowed to
2. India gets back similar size area from Pakistan, preferably nankana sahib
3. India to be compensated for road access, hydel projects and maintains control of water
4. People from both countries allowed to migrate if they wish to
 
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To me a good solution would be India to hold plebiscite itself in Kashmir, not in Jammu and ladakh -
1. Any area from Kashmir that wants to join Pakistan should be allowed to
2. India gets back similar size area from Pakistan, preferably nankana sahib
3. India to be compensated for road access, hydel projects and maintains control of water
4. People from both countries allowed to migrate if they wish to

Why not Jammu and Ladakh? You don't have any faith in the inhabitants? If the majority want to stay with India - they will vote to remain with you.
 
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But we are willing to do whatever is necessary to find a peaceful solution. Everything except risking losing a part of our country.If the militancy stops, India will remove AFSPA eventually.But conducting a plebiscite is not going to happen. No country in the world will conduct it, no matter the protests. Will China conduct it for Tibet/Hongkong? or pakistan for Balochistan? For the 1.2 billion Indians and our government, Kashmir is an integral part of India and losing it is no different than say losing assam,/punjab/arunanchal etc. Not to mention Opening of the pandora's box of more areas wanting seperation.
 
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Why not Jammu and Ladakh? You don't have any faith in the inhabitants? If the majority want to stay with India - they will vote to remain with you.
If you guys want then why not plebiscite in Karachi Baluchistan pashtunistan etc. Very reason that you guys will never be satisfied with any outcome stops us from negotiations and the fact that there is no other way for you to get an inch of Kashmir
 
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If you guys want then why not plebiscite in Karachi Baluchistan pashtunistan etc. Very reason that you guys will never be satisfied with any outcome stops us from negotiations and the fact that there is no other way for you to get an inch of Kashmir

Ideally an entire Subcontinent wide plebiscite should have been held back in 1947, so there wouldn't be so much bad blood today.

For us Kashmir defines Pakistan - it's how the original name "PAKSTAN" was coined - a country for the muslim majority areas of north western British Raj. So it's not very logical to say we won't be satisfied. What makes you think we'll lay a claim on a Hindu majority province of India? We even gave up Hyderabad, despite their ruler wanting to join us.

Anyways all this is wishful thinking. India is on a war footing. The PM was voted to power as a reward for some past crime, and is expected to deliver on some promises made to the right wing vote bank. Peace with Pakistan will not serve his reputation right. Things will get uglier before it gets better.
 
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Useless garbage of an article.
But what about exchanging land. Many Pakistani Hindus and Sikhs are not comfortable in Pakistan. If we can get nankana sahib and let say 20-30 km wide stretch connecting Wagha to nankana sahib then all Hindus/Sikhs from Pakistan can be accommodated there or in current India. Amritsar nankana sahib belt will be religious and industrial belt. Even Sikhs in India and overseas will be happy.
Same might be true for kashmiri Muslims, they will be happier and economically better with Pakistan.

Ideally an entire Subcontinent wide plebiscite should have been held back in 1947, so there wouldn't be so much bad blood today.

For us Kashmir defines Pakistan - it's how the original name "PAKSTAN" was coined - a country for the muslim majority areas of north western British Raj. So it's not very logical to say we won't be satisfied. What makes you think we'll lay a claim on a Hindu majority province of India? We even gave up Hyderabad, despite their ruler wanting to join us.

Anyways all this is wishful thinking. India is on a war footing. The PM was voted to power as a reward for some past crime, and is expected to deliver on some promises made to the right wing vote bank. Peace with Pakistan will not serve his reputation right. Things will get uglier before it gets better.
Last significant peace effort was from Vajpayee and to be stated simply he was stabbed in the back. I doubt whether any Indian leader will think out of box in next 10 years at least.
You guys need to make the deal sweeter for us. We will welcome any Hindu or Sikh from Pakistan, give us nankana sahib. Both are insignificant to you but means a lot for us. Give us proper access to Ladakh and rivers as per agreements
 
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Ideally an entire Subcontinent wide plebiscite should have been held back in 1947, so there wouldn't be so much bad blood today.

For us Kashmir defines Pakistan - it's how the original name "PAKSTAN" was coined - a country for the muslim majority areas of north western British Raj. So it's not very logical to say we won't be satisfied. What makes you think we'll lay a claim on a Hindu majority province of India? We even gave up Hyderabad, despite their ruler wanting to join us.

Anyways all this is wishful thinking. India is on a war footing. The PM was voted to power as a reward for some past crime, and is expected to deliver on some promises made to the right wing vote bank. Peace with Pakistan will not serve his reputation right. Things will get uglier before it gets better.

You can give up this obsession for Kashmir
 
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The story of Mulla is obviously made up. Maybe he should first keep a check on radicalization in Kashmir. As for talks, done that countless times, no result, its time for a change.
 
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Ideally an entire Subcontinent wide plebiscite should have been held back in 1947, so there wouldn't be so much bad blood today.

Bad blood is guaranteed by the very basis of partition. Everything else flows from there.

For us Kashmir defines Pakistan - it's how the original name "PAKSTAN" was coined - a country for the muslim majority areas of north western British Raj. So it's not very logical to say we won't be satisfied. What makes you think we'll lay a claim on a Hindu majority province of India? We even gave up Hyderabad, despite their ruler wanting to join us.

How the name of Pakistan came about is irrelevant to the final outcome of partition. Hyderabad & Junagadh has no borders with Pakistan. Only fools would have imagined any other outcome & some of your leaders were unfortunately, very foolish on such matters. Jinnah did his best to try & get the kingdom of Jodhpur into Pakistan, a kingdom with 95% Hindu population. The fact that he failed was not for lack of trying.

Anyways all this is wishful thinking. India is on a war footing. The PM was voted to power as a reward for some past crime, and is expected to deliver on some promises made to the right wing vote bank. Peace with Pakistan will not serve his reputation right. Things will get uglier before it gets better

We had a previous Prime Minister, a gentleman who was born in the area that is now Pakistan. He did his best but what did he get in return? 26/11.....

Peace with Pakistan may be very desirable but there is no way to get there. This PM went out of his way, inviting the Pakistani PM for his swearing In & then dropping in to visit him in Pakistan....he got Pathankot for his troubles. Unfortunately it seems that powers that be in Pakistan see any overture by Indian leaders as sign of weakness...
 
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Why not Jammu and Ladakh? You don't have any faith in the inhabitants? If the majority want to stay with India - they will vote to remain with you.

Like if a plebiscite is conducted inside Pakistan 40% of the inhabitants will opt for a freedom ? Oh no, Indians haven't lost faith yet like a bulk pakistanis.
Simple logic Kashmir valley is the region infested with the hurriyat scum. Only they raise this self-determination hoax.
People in Ladakh and Jammu are pro-India (pro-peace and anti-terrorist). But anyway Jammu and Kashmir is already a part of India. Soon occupied Kashmir will also be.
 
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Make in India: 70 years of lying

Before repeating the Mulla's story of lost keys in this column, here is a brief description of an illustration I just came across. It's so telling. For any upright, gentle, and well meaning Indian - and let's not deny there are many such Indians - it must be shocking to core. A child, certainly from Kashmir, looks at some lines written on a wall. He stretches himself up on his toes, to make a correction on those lines. He strikes out one word at the end of this sentence, and replaces it with another. Here is the sentence that the kid finding on the wall:
If you repeat a lie often enough, it becomes truth

This kid strikes out word TRUTH, and then scribbles another in its place. Here is what the sentences finlly becomes:
If you repeat a lie often enough, it becomes INDIA
If I were an Indian, I would be immensely pained on this!
Capturing 70 years of India's engagement with Kashmir, there is no perfect description than this. Uncle Nehru has left a huge legacy of untruth for his children in India. What a great inheritance of loss for a country that is full of people like us, who want to live their lives happily without turning lives of others miserable. We in Kashmir know it well, but who is going to tell it to Indians that this is what your political leaders have made of your country in Kashmir. This is how a country with all its people and history stand mutilated in Kashmir. That is why Indians need to stand up against this leadership, and this politics, for the sake of themselves. Among many other things, Indians need freedom from lies that have been told in their name, freedom from oppression unleashed in their name, freedom from murders committed in their name. To a long list of freedoms that a Kanayya Kumar read out – sloganed out – at JNU, there is much more to add. Indians need freedom from lies fed to them by the state of India. So just one thing to those who come from India and want us talk to them on Kashmir: return back and do an honest talking with your own people. My problem in Kashmir stands solved the day Indian state and Indian political leadership hold honest talks with its own people.
Another All Parties Delegation comes to Kashmir, deceiving a billion people back in India. The core content of any process of resolution to Kashmir conflict is truth telling, and this is what Indian leadership is afraid of. It is pointless to come here, unless you cease the practice of manufacturing lies on Kashmir. The well wishers of people of this region are waiting the day when an All Party Delegation is formed, not boarded for Srinagar, but to visit cities and villages of India and talk to people about Kashmir. Talk about lies that have been fed to them, talk about truth that was never told to them. That would be the beginning of any honest process of resolution. That day no Geelani, no Mirwaiz, no Malik will have any problems in talking to you. In fact they would not require to talk, because everything on Kashmir is so obvious. But right now, you are only in the process of producing another consignment of lies. How is that going to help anyone in this region!
The keys to the resolution of Kashmir conflict are with Delhi, and Delhi alone can open the lock. It is India that has created this problem, complicated it over time, and raised mountains of violence on it. Everyone, excepts India, wants resolution to this problem. But none except India can solve it. Why search keys in Srinagar when you know they are in Delhi. All Parties Delegation would better leave and get the keys from Delhi. And for that they will have to talk amongst themselves. Before the misguided masses of India furiously stand up some day and demand an accounting of the lies that have been sold to them, it's better if the leadership of India prepares for a confession. Any leadership that does so will run down in history as the real benefactor of Indians.
Now the Mulla's story.
Mulla Nasruddin was once seen outside his house. He was keenly searching for something in his yard. Someone passed by and enquired that what was he looking for. On being replied that he was looking for his keys, the man joined him in this search. When the two couldn't find keys and were nearing exhaustion, the man asked Mulla: ''Do you have any idea where exactly you dropped the keys?'' Snap came the answer: ''Inside my house.'' ''Then why are you looking for them here?!'', the man snapped back. Now listen to what Mulla had to say: “Because, there is more light here than in my house.''
It is no funny joke, and Mulla doesn't want us to laugh at it. He teaches us a lesson. Getting inside the room would be taking responsibility for the act, and also braving the darkness. This is what the leadership of India will have to do someday. Brave the darkness they have created in India for all these seven decades, and who knows how many more years will they keep this National Project of Darkness running. To avoid that unease they are opting for easier ways; sending All Parties Delegations, doing Round Tables, and preparing Reports. Doing all this to tell Indians, and to the rest of the world, that we are serious in finding a solution, and it's the other side that is running away. Make in India Lies.
http://m.greaterkashmir.com/news/opinion/make-in-india-70-years-of-lying/227537.html
@django @The Sandman @Moonlight @Mugwop @WAJsal @krash

I do not agree. It is naive to assume that it is the Indian government that is keeping the Indian citizens in the dark. Actually it is even more naive to assume that the general Indian populace is in the dark at all. What is happening in IOK and what has happened there so far is not hidden, is not encrypted, does not need anyone to bring it to the light for the Indians or the rest of the world for that matter. They know exactly what is going on in IOK, always have. However, just like the Indian government, they do not care, they condone and support the atrocities. They aren't oblivious to the reality, they are purposefully pretending to be blind to it.
 
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To me a good solution would be India to hold plebiscite itself in Kashmir, not in Jammu and ladakh -
1. Any area from Kashmir that wants to join Pakistan should be allowed to
2. India gets back similar size area from Pakistan, preferably nankana sahib
3. India to be compensated for road access, hydel projects and maintains control of water
4. People from both countries allowed to migrate if they wish to

I've thought about something like this for a while:

  • neutral, unbiased international organisation(s) review and draw up Kashmir into constituencies and regions in a way that pleases both countries.
  • A referendum is held across Kashmir, including Azad Kashmir and Gilgit with the choice to join Pakistan or India.
  • The referendum would need to be heavily monitored by many neutral and international parties to ensure there is no tampering.
  • Regions voting majority Pakistan accede to Pakistan, and vice versa for India.
  • Borders are redrawn to ensure that there is no future conflict and to resolve any potential exclave/enclaves that may form.
  • Additional agreements between Pakistan and India to share intelligence, and to reduce border forces to prevent future conflict

Nankana Sahib should remain with Pakistan, its irrelevant to the Kashmir issue, and is a city with a large majority muslim population anyway.

Things like infrastructure projects and such should be written off, in the interests of future peace and minimise potential of conflict.

Migration needs to be carefully organised to minimise violence, and should be avoided where possible when redrawing borders
 
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