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Major DNA ancestry database now correctly lists Pakistanis as Central Asian

Compared to other DNA ancestry testing companies, My Heritage specifically highlights Greek ancestry in their basic/free ancestry report.

For those interested in finding Greek/Macedonian DNA remnants, likely to be found in significant percentages (5%+) in people originating in the more northern parts of Pakistan/Afghanistan, MyHeritage will allow you to upload a DNA raw data file from most major personal test providers.

Here's the information they provide:

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On the subject of Macedonian/Greek historic contributions in the region, the dress sense of the Greek kingdoms must have played a part, and this is especially evident in the hat worn in parts of Northern Pakistan.

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Following images are from around the 4th-2nd century B.C.

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Females above do show some obvious resemblance to historic women's dress of the region, and even much of what's still worn. However, most female dress to the west may have showed many similarities.

Male Macedonians/Greeks of the same time:

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I wanted to participate in this thread earlier but somehow forgot, ancestry DNA is organized along the same lines as "Genographic Project" which essentially is a paid evaluation and costs a minimum of $100, ancestry DNA if I am not wrong is 79 British Pound. Over the period of time those who have opted for the test due to one reason or the other their data is collected, compiled and common markers are identified and classified. My understanding is all such initiatives share their data with other agencies like AncestrsyDNA with Genographic and a whole array of such projects.

This would depend. In the West, any such sharing has to be disclosed to the end user for legal reasons. Also, many larger companies would rely on their database size and samples being distinct for competitive advantage.

What actually happening is that a sample from upper 5-10% of the population has been contributing to these test/databanks for one reason or the other, the sample size is very limited in scope and I know for sure that there are families/tribes out here in Pakistan which have never married outside their own blood line, there are communities which are totally isolated, I have no idea about the sample size but truly while those who could afford to go for this test for establishing their roots or those opting for the test to establish parental/descendant/sibling status is very limited.

This again would depend. For e.g, regions with limited genetic flow from other parts of the world, like Scandinavia, would be much easier to classify even with relatively smaller sample population sizes. However, countries like Pakistan that sit in very prominent geography due to historic trade and countless migrations/empires, it would indeed become more difficult to correctly classify who's who and what originated where. In many ways, this question is answered by collecting large amounts of samples from other regions around the world where populations are less mixed, and then having to use historic knowledge to a certain extent to undo the complications. Of course, as sample sizes increase, this becomes much easier.

We could, of course, link the above to a simple test of comparing siblings, where a very large amount of genetic data is shared, and therefore it becomes relatively easier to identify origin. That said, ancestry and general familial relationship testing is quite different due to the basis for results being highly differentiated because of geography based markers.

Coming back to this particular test, as the database size increases, the results will start to become more accurate, but even 5-10% would be considered significant in most regions, and the test will therefore show a larger geographic area during initial result disclosure for such samples. Sticking to these tests, it is only now that the region in question is becoming much easier to classify from earlier times when only a larger geography was disclosed, and this will be due to an increase in sample size, much like tiny European countries sitting in Central Europe being quite difficult to classify with any kind of accuracy.

Overall, though, the recently published scientific papers that took samples from ancient population skeletons were a major turning point in making sense of much of this.

While many have opted to establish the first one the second one is anathema. This data could not effectively establish its conclusion, unless it adds that the conclusion from the sample leads to the theory but the confidence interval is highly questionable and unless I missed something major out.

Well, as above, you can't really establish geographic status for a tribe that once lived in Southern Europe and moved in whole to a completely different but genetically close area, so ancient samples are needed to establish that connection. However, such data can never be truly accurate in some cases, but with very large sample sizes and more accurate ancient DNA tagged along with accurate historic information, much of the puzzle pieces will simply just fall in place.

As a consolation, most of the larger companies are continually updating their origin data as new information and data becomes available, which is exactly what has happened here.

All said, the biggest issue faced in the region was largely down to Indian origin scientists constantly withholding information or providing skewed results that threw everyone off, much of which I would put down to political meddling due to the promotion of a single unifying identity by the recent governments in that country.

In fact, it was only when the linked report was published by over 90 world scientists, although continually delayed due to said nationality contributors, that the picture drastically changed.

The very notion of the promotion of the Out-of-India theory given all the evidence speaks volumes on that account.
 
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Like Turks we really are a mix. Cuz in ottomon and mughal days. Muslims and non muslims came from all over.
So some turks are white, not so white, brown etc. Just stating what I've seen.

Same for Pakistan.
We were an empire, an ummah
We were a melting pot
That is why I think one definition won't really suffice besides that of Islam perhaps.
 
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Like Turks we really are a mix. Cuz in ottomon and mughal days. Muslims and non muslims came from all over.
So some turks are white, not so white, brown etc. Just stating what I've seen.

Same for Pakistan.
We were an empire, an ummah
We were a melting pot
That is why I think one definition won't really suffice besides that of Islam perhaps.

A balanced approach is always necessary, and in some cases complexity simply cannot be avoided without creating a distorted image.

The latter serves no one in the long run.
 
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Still one name may be very hard to lavel Pakistanis as.
Like I said we were what USA is today.
True melting pot
Not a salad bowl like USA
A balanced approach is always necessary, and in some cases complexity simply cannot be avoided without creating a distorted image.

The latter serves no one in the long run.
 
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Still one name may be very hard to lavel Pakistanis as.
Like I said we were what USA is today.
True melting pot
Not a salad bowl like USA


Of course Pakistanis aren't like the USA in a modern sense, as there was no recent extinction like event for a specific people like the Native Indians of the American continent, resulting in a largely homogeneous population that has only had recent and limited contribution to the average inhabitant of the country. A comparison between the two in a genetic diversity sense would be meaningless.

In this particular case, a balanced approach would only mean that you simply cannot place Pakistanis as a whole in a single, simple definition, and no one outside of certain politically motivated parties would attempt to do so.

That would be like throwing away large chunks of Pakistan's history, formation of many traditions specific to smaller regions, basis for diversified cultural practices etc. Doing so would only weaken what made Pakistanis come together as a people in the first place, and only lead to a big brother like political domination.

No one should want that, especially given the vibrant and beautiful culture of the region.
 
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Pakistan aren't a pure race guys and neither is most population in the world, some Pakistanis have a higher % of Central Asian no doubt and some have less, some have higher genetic link with older population similar to South Indians and some have lower. There is a lot of genetic diversity with in Pakistan and considering where its located in the world its not really that surprising.
 
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I did not say it is a "Punjabi attire", Shalwar Kameez overall only became known as the 'attire of the common man' recently. As I stated, there are many variants with each region/province having their own, the Punjabi variant is currently the most popular and widespread throughout Pakistan, becoming the standard for Shalwar Kameez.

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Punjabi version? That's the pakhtoon version. People of kpk and quetta have worn this type for a very long time. Shelwar kameez only got popular in Punjab after 1947, otherwise they wore their lungi thing. Stop trying to down play other ethnicities
 
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Shalwar kameez came from Punjab the shalwar is called Suthan and kameez kurta and we have other types as well tamba kurta etc
Punjabi version? That's the pakhtoon version. People of kpk and quetta have worn this type for a very long time. Shelwar kameez only got popular in Punjab after 1947, otherwise they wore their lungi thing. Stop trying to down play other ethnicities
 
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Salwar kameez is an Iranian origin dress, nothing Punjabi about it, Punjabis wear a nappy or lungi or whatever they call it.

They can claim what they wish but reality is very different.

Punjabi version? That's the pakhtoon version. People of kpk and quetta have worn this type for a very long time. Shelwar kameez only got popular in Punjab after 1947, otherwise they wore their lungi thing. Stop trying to down play other ethnicities

These people claim others as their heroes so let them claim the attire too, doesn't bother us, they will label you and me as Afghan if we speak the truth and mind but they embrace Indian films, culture and open corridors for their fellow Indian Punjabis and they are still patriotic while we are traitors, Namak harams, Afghans and so on.

Well I rather be a Namak haram Afghan anyday then betray the blood of our shaheeds and forefathers who created this land
 
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Punjabi version? That's the pakhtoon version. People of kpk and quetta have worn this type for a very long time. Shelwar kameez only got popular in Punjab after 1947, otherwise they wore their lungi thing. Stop trying to down play other ethnicities
You are right shalwar qameez isn't punjabi dress
Both men and women in Punjab used to wear chadar or lungi with qameez
These people claim others as their heroes so let them claim the attire too, doesn't bother us,
No one in Punjab claims Shalwar qameez originated from Punjab
Indians claim it's Punjabi dress not Pakistani Punjabis
 
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You are right shalwar qameez isn't punjabi dress
Both men and women in Punjab used to wear chadar or lungi with qameez

No one in Punjab claims Shalwar qameez originated from Punjab
Indians claim it's Punjabi dress not Pakistani Punjabis

What's the difference, Punjabis either side of the border is Punjabi no?.
 
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Punjabi version? That's the pakhtoon version. People of kpk and quetta have worn this type for a very long time.
That is the Punjabi variant and I'm not sure why it's so hard for you to accept that. Other ethnic groups historically have had different versions, most of which have become obsolete.

This is the Baloch Variant;
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That Pashtuns have Khet Partug and Perahan Tunban types of Shalwar Kameez; the modern versions of which are influenced by the Punjabi variant.

We Kashmiris have the Phiran, which is made out of a different material and cut differently as well. It is still popular in Northern AJK and the Kashmir Valley.

The Sindhis historically had the Kancha Shalwar, similar to the Baloch variant.
 
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