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Nov 20 (Reuters) - Lockheed Martin Corp expects news about a multibillion dollar programme to modernise the Saudi Arabian Navy in the next several months, senior company executives told Reuters at the Dubai Airshow on Wednesday after meetings with Saudi officials.

"We're hopeful in the next several months that some clarity will present itself on how they want to go forward on what hull, what design, and what mission equipment," said Patrick Dewar, executive vice president of Lockheed Martin International.

Lockheed Chief Executive Marillyn Hewson discussed the naval modernization programme and other issues during the air show with Prince Salman bin Sultan, the Saudi deputy defence minister, who was appointed in August, Dewar said.

"We understand the new Saudi deputy defence minister is doing his own assessment on how they should go forward," Dewar said. "We've had good meetings with them here at the show as well as in the (Saudi) kingdom over the last couple of months."

U.S. executives and government delegates said they had not seen any signs of a chill in U.S. ties to Saudi military officials after Saudi intelligence chief Prince Bandar bin Sultan last month said the kingdom was hoping to make a major shift away from the United States.

Saudi Arabia is continuing to evaluate a range of options for the naval modernisation programme, including purchases of up to 12 of Lockheed's steel monohull Littoral Combat Ship (LCS) or the larger DDG-51 destroyer built by General Dynamics Corp , executives said.

General Dynamics had no immediate comment.

The number of ships would depend on whether Saudi Arabia opted for the smaller or larger of the hull forms, they said.

The Saudi Naval Expansion Program II, or SNEP programme, has been under discussion for years, but U.S. industry and government officials say the effort has picked up some fresh momentum in recent months. Earlier estimates had put the value of the programme at around $20 billion.

Dewar said proposals submitted to Saudi officials by the U.S. government also included Lockheed's Aegis combat system, an MH-60R helicopter it builds with Sikorsky Aircraft, a unit of United Technologies Corp, and a fast missile craft it designed with VT Halter Marine, a unit of ST Engineering.

He said no decisions had been made on the programme.

Paul Lemmo, Lockheed senior vice president for corporate strategy and business development, told Reuters in a separate interview at the air show that the LCS ship was one of the options still being evaluated by Saudi Arabia.

The USS Freedom, the first LCS ship built by Lockheed, this week picked up supplies in Brunei and joined the relief effort in the Philippines after completing a deployment in Singapore.

The U.S. Navy had planned to buy 52 of the faster, more agile warships, but may scale back that order due to mounting budget pressures, which makes any possible foreign orders that much more important for Lockheed.

Australia's Austal builds a different aluminium-hulled trimaran version of the LCS ship, but the Saudi government is not looking at possible purchases of that model at this time, U.S. officials said.

The U.S. LCS ships were designed to carry interchangeable mission packages or "modules" for the Navy, but Lemmo said Saudi Arabia and other potential foreign buyers all wanted permanent weapons capabilities built into the ship.

He said Lockheed had proposed outfitting the ship with a lighter version of the Aegis combat system that would carry vertical missile launchers and the Aegis SPY-1F radar that Norway installed on five frigates for Norway.

That is a smaller radar with less range than the Lockheed SPY-1D radar that is installed on the DDG-51 destroyers built by General Dynamics.

Lemmo said Saudi was still evaluating if it needed larger ships that could carry the large missile defence system, or a larger number of smaller, multi-mission ships.

He said the smaller LCS ships could be outfitted with vertical launch systems that could fire smaller missiles, including the SM-2 missiles.

No comment was immediately available from the Pentagon's Defense Security Cooperation Agency, which oversees major foreign arms sales. (Editing by Mark Potter and David Evans)

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That LCS is nice, impressed. What's left? LOL.

I always read articles on KSA with new weapons deals and I cannot think what else they need, they seem to have the air capabilities they seek. Missile defense apparently is good for them.

My question would be on offensive capabilities and their army, needs to increase in quantity and quality.
 
Better to develop in a JV with any EU; fleet Like:
15 Frigates: 4100-5000 Tons
11 Corvettes: 2100-2500 Tons
16 FAC: 700-750 Tons

Also Submarines with Germans:
16 Large SSK Class: 3000 Tons
11-14 Medium SSK Class: 1600 Tons
16 Coastal SSK: 700-750 Tons
 
Better to develop in a JV with any EU; fleet Like:
15 Frigates: 4100-5000 Tons
11 Corvettes: 2100-2500 Tons
16 FAC: 700-750 Tons

Also Submarines with Germans:
16 Large SSK Class: 3000 Tons
11-14 Medium SSK Class: 1600 Tons
16 Coastal SSK: 700-750 Tons


Ru on drugs?
 
That LCS is nice, impressed. What's left? LOL.

I always read articles on KSA with new weapons deals and I cannot think what else they need, they seem to have the air capabilities they seek. Missile defense apparently is good for them.

My question would be on offensive capabilities and their army, needs to increase in quantity and quality.

As the saying goes, quality is better than quantity, buddy.


The entire Saudi defence establishment is going through a major upgrade whereby an expansion project is imminement due to the regional threats.

A mix of LCS, DDG-51, Turkish TF-2000, Milgems and a handful of advance U-214 class subs should cut it for KSA.

Why not wait for the U-216? :/ .. Also 3 squadrons of DRs will be great, our navy it too tiny.
 
You think so? :pop:

Is it gonna ace the Qing class sub? In terms of size and all?


We don't yet know the displacement of the Qings yet. The ones you saw are 'test beds' for testing the JL-2 SLBM.

It might be between 2000-3000 tonnes range (still huge) with fuel cell AIP. The sub we are buying is still under development.
 
We don't yet know the displacement of the Qings yet. The ones you saw are 'test beds' for testing the JL-2 SLBM.

It might be between 2000-3000 tonnes range (still huge) with fuel cell AIP. The sub we are buying is still under development.

When are you guys going to get it? and will it be built in Pakistan or China?
 
When are you guys going to get it? and will it be built in Pakistan or China?


We don't know the dates yet. We are closely watching what India does to its sub fleet.

Some of those subs will be built in China and the rest in Pakistan, under a transfer of technology agreement.

When are you guys going to get it? and will it be built in Pakistan or China?


We don't know the dates yet. We are closely watching what India does to its sub fleet.

Some of those subs will be built in China and the rest in Pakistan, under a transfer of technology agreement.
 

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