Lockheed Martin offers F-16 Block 70, for India, from India, exported to the world

[Skillrex]

First.. its a yellow article which has no basis.. 2nd.. India will never buy F16V.. no matter how much cream LM puts over the top of it.. but may go for F18.. but thats totally different equation.. 4th F16 will never replace Rafael.. Deal with it.

 

[shah1398]

I can spot many Indian members who were earlier against F-16's entry in lieu of Rafale, but now are openly supporting the idea. What shud I call it? Desperation over delay of Rafale deal or need of hour as tough time is approaching for IAF with every passing day with further delays in acquisitions?

 

[shhh]

I guess this is going to be the political tool USA will use to make India serve its interests.

 

[muhammadali233]

"India like Cuba are friends of necessitate at the moment and for the moment.
Just to frustrate the Russian Federation."

 

[TOPGUN]

I do not believe that india will go for vipers simply.

 

[Joe Shearer]

what will Tejas replace?

Bajaj Chetak?

Exactly.

It's irritating to see how people run after every rumour without the slightest understand of what each additional aircraft type does to maintainability and general service availability.

But it's downright scary to find that such thoughts are seriously in the minds of decision makers.

India is not in any position to replace all migs with Tajes in such a small time of there retirement due.

Isn't the correct answer to focus on the manufacturing capacity for the Tejas?

Also there is no doubt tajes is still going through some serious deficiencies, look at least 6-7 times FOC is postponed and still no much progress is shown towards its stated goals for FOC.

You might like to look at the issues in some detail, before sweeping away the whole mess with one grand wave of your arm.

Also by getting F16 production line along with technological know how in India will give India kick start in aerospace by getting high local talent pool plus opportunity to export advance F16 B 70 to some other countries also to supply spares to currently flying thousand of flying F16s.

Production line? There is a considerable amount that is made outside the production line which we will still not be able to source locally. Only the OEMs will make money.

High local talent pool in aerospace? Please explain that. Please do the explaining bearing in mind that HAL has been assembling for seven decades now.

Opportunity to export? There are other companies with the capability of making serious stuff, and they aren't doing well.

Last dont forget PAF main stay is F16 and recently how much they were jumping on the rumors of 8 F16 coming .
Having only F 16 production line and spares source for our brother country Pakistan from India is WIN WIN solution .

I don't know what to say.

 

[PARIKRAMA]

Troll Mode On
Well India realised that US instructors are really 10/10 in scale.

See Apache helos trainer

And F16 potential deal- one of the trainers

When you have such good trainers how can you refuse American deals?

Troll Mode Off.

@Taygibay @Vergennes
You folks encountered such 10/10 trainers in your service life's..

I am sure our @Abingdonboy will enroll right now if he knows his CO is such a lass..

 

[airmarshal]

We will still be looking for Second hand F SOLA

Because we dont have money. Accept it. Pakistan does not have resources that it can buy whatever defence.pk members wish.

 

[Stephen Cohen]

Troll Mode On
Well India realised that US instructors are really 10/10 in scale.

See Apache helos trainer
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And F16 potential deal- one of the trainers
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When you have such good trainers how can you refuse American deals?

Troll Mode Off.

@Taygibay @Vergennes
You folks encountered such 10/10 trainers in your service life's..

I am sure our @Abingdonboy will enroll right now if he knows his CO is such a lass..

ALL our Helos and F 16s will crash

We are doomed

Send a Mail to Parrikar that The FIRST clause in any agreement
will be -- NO female Trainers

 

[Blue Marlin]

It's alright, India can sell some F16 to Pakistan under made in India

ouch............ that will hurt.

 

[Wet Shirt Contest]

Troll Mode On
Well India realised that US instructors are really 10/10 in scale.

See Apache helos trainer
View attachment 324111

And F16 potential deal- one of the trainers
View attachment 324112

When you have such good trainers how can you refuse American deals?

Troll Mode Off.

@Taygibay @Vergennes
You folks encountered such 10/10 trainers in your service life's..

I am sure our @Abingdonboy will enroll right now if he knows his CO is such a lass..

da faq, what are they doing outside kitchen ?

I would like to disagree! If we go in for the F-16, it would be the Block 70/72, a spanking new 4++ generation fighter. Under the deal, the company will be manufacturing the latest version of the jets that will be produced “exclusively” in India.

This will be the “most advanced” version and will not be built anywhere else in the world. Lockheed Martin also plans to export them from the India plant at a later stage. The F-16 project would be a government-to-government deal that will be conducted through the Foreign Military Sales (FMS) route.

The integration of fifth-generation technology into the fourth-generation platform is pretty much what makes an already-potent fighter an even more potent air-to-air and air-to-ground killer.

The most powerful upgrade comes in the form of the AN/APG-80 AESA (Active Electronically Scanned Array) radar system that gives the pilot incredible situational awareness and the ability to target and track in any weather/atmospheric condition with stunning precision.

An infrared search and track (IRST) system, the ability to integrate the Indian Air Force’s Operational Data Link (which allows for interoperability with other Indian fighter/attack/AWACS/support units), an onboard electronic warfare suite from Raytheon, and an upgraded modular mission computer add to the F-16 blk 70/72's sizable resume.

The cockpit is being redeveloped to an extent, with three color high-definition MFDs (multi-function flight displays) feeding the pilot everything he needs to know, as well as the ability to integrate the Joint Helmet Mounted Cueing System (JHMCS). An updated General Electric F110-132A will function as the sole power-plant, able to output over 32,000 pounds of thrust, and will have conformal fuel tanks (CFTs) with a built-in fuel probe, designed to mate with the basket/drogue refueling system used by Indian aerial tankers, instead of the boom/receptacle system commonly used by American F-16s.

And most of all it will be extremely cost effective in the long run as India would be the sole base for major overhauls and spares of the over 4,500 F-16s in service worldwide. And needless to say, the latest F-16 blk 70/72 would have dozens of air forces around the world interested in buying them - from India!

I wonder how much critical tot US is willing to share because development of indigenous base is single most important factor, what are the numerical requirements for IAF ?

 

[LOGICAL BOSSS]

Isn't the correct answer to focus on the manufacturing capacity for the Tejas?

You might like to look at the issues in some detail, before sweeping away the whole mess with one grand wave of your arm.

Before thinking about Manufacturing capacity first resolve teething problems Tajes is currently facing, god know when will that happens. Will you wait till all Migs fall from the sky then will start planning what to do now ?.
Check not even a single stated goal/conditions are meet by HAL till date for FOC from IOC 2.
Even 30mm gun is not ready to TEST fire in air.
Bytheway How big manufacturing capacity are you expecting? 400 a day sorry year ?

Production line? There is a considerable amount that is made outside the production line which we will still not be able to source locally. Only the OEMs will make money.

High local talent pool in aerospace? Please explain that. Please do the explaining bearing in mind that HAL has been assembling for seven decades now.

Opportunity to export? There are other companies with the capability of making serious stuff, and they aren't doing well.

Also considerable amount that is made inside the production line which we will still not be able to do
"Only the OEMs will make money."
Plz we already had one communist Nehru, who took us 4 decades back. No more needed. Everyone is working for money, only for profits they are making available there production line not for charity. Bytheway are you not working for profit ?
Why Modiji is pleading to MNCs to come India will they not make money ?

Ofcourse if F 16s got manufactured in India, India will gain high talented local human resource. This is only how China get highly skilled manpower. Workers who work in LM factories will learn/trained in modern Techs and known how and get experience.
This is how Hero cycle becomes Hero Motorcycle.

Why you are so doubtful about exports ? F 16 already managed to export thousands !
Still some countries flying F 7, duplicate copy of MIG 21. They and many others can be the future customers.
This is not only business but also making loyal to you for future like India is and will remain to Russia (Hoping you got my point this time)
Even Pakistan is so optimistic with JF 17 but you dont have confidence with F 16 B 70/72

I don't know what to say.

You need to apply a bit brain, even our Pakistani members got it but poor you

 

[PARIKRAMA]

I wonder how much critical tot US is willing to share because development of indigenous base is single most important factor, what are the numerical requirements for IAF ?

India is a strategic defence partner so US Senate and Government will share this with India

Every month a representative from LM is coming and meeting ppl in India. 3 offers they gave till now they are not clear what TOT they will give and what will be approved. Boeing clearly said all critical tech and major kit parts will be handled exclusively by Boeing subsidiaries as that's the only way Senate will allow F18 to be made in India. So clearly not ready to share tech as they know Senate won't approve..

India USA relationship is a typical show off and flamboyant PR exercise.. in reality both sides are circumspect about grim realities.

 

[PakEye]

http://sptnkne.ws/bRHb
In January 2016, India and France signed an intergovernmental agreement on the purchase of the 36 Rafale fighterjets.

The French Dassault aviation manufacturer first asked almost $12 billion for 36 aircraft

while New Delhi demanded a 30-percent cut to the price.

In May, Paris has agreed to decrease the pricing by some 7-8 percent,
thus the France’s current offer stands at some $8.6 billion.

Result of Intergovernmental agreement with franc for prices cut down from $12 billion to $ 8.6 billion but deal is still under crisis .
Now India want to use LHM offer for F-16 assembly in India as tactic to forced france for more discount in Rafale Deal !!!

 

[Stephen Cohen]

India USA relationship is a typical show off and flamboyant PR exercise.. in reality both sides are circumspect about grim realities.

Sir ji Forget F 16 ; what is the News about RAFALE