Living With Mi-17 Dying For F-16

[Windjammer]

It's been over two months since Pakistan Air Force and Indian Air Force clashed above the LOC. Since the incident has been discussed multiple times, hence without going into too much detail, let's just focus on the Indian claim of shooting down a PAF F-16.
The Indians had started perusing this claim within 24 hours of the clash taking place. Ironically, the IAF has been unable to back it's claim with no form of proof whatsoever.
There's no wreckage, HUD or Gun Camera footage, no pilot captured or any other worth while evidence to lend any credibility to the Indian claim of shooting down any PAF aircraft let alone an F-16. The Indians continued with it's ludicrous insistence even after an Independent US source clarified all the F-16s and PAF put on display all the four missiles from the crashed Indian MiG which is supposed to have shot down the F-16.
However on the same day an Indian Mi-17 Helicopter went down under critical circumstances with the loss of six IAF personal and a civilian on the ground. Intially the IAF said that the Mi-17 crashed due to some technical malfunction, which was instantly debunked by several witnesses who saw the Helicopter explode and break into two. While the PAF maintained it had nothing to do with this loss. While without a single proof the IAF within 24 hours laid claim to an F-16 kill yet even after two months, an aircraft crashing on it's own side of LOC, with wreckage sitting in it's living room and all the other data and details at fingertips, yet the Indians are unable to determine the cause of the crash.
Beating about the bush on F-16 issue may divert the Indian public's attention and may even lift it's tail but would it do any good for the moral of the IAF, which suffered a thumping at the hands of the PAF and now battered and bruised is finding excuses and cover ups to hide the humiliation.

 

[Ozee]

this is called " ik jhoot bolna ka lia 100 jhoot or bolnay parhta hain " ...india have no sense on how to deal with any country..they just claim but have no proof ...till death they will only claim ....
they dont know that first we should have any proof then we have to claim...

 

[SIPRA]

Issues of MI-17 and F-16 are pretty clear, by now and there is hardly any further clarity required.

 

[war&peace]

I busted their lies on the thread below so instead reposting it here I just post the link for you guys to see how absurd their claim is
==> Let's debunk Indian Claims about Black Box

By the way, I will give credit to Indians for the persistence on a lie.. they themselves know it very well that it is a lie but still they keep it parroting like millions of times ... a perfect machinery for hybrid war. This is something we Pakistanis can't do. We need to learn their tactics to counter them because being principled and going by the book won't teach them a lesson.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

It's been over two months since Pakistan Air Force and Indian Air Force clashed above the LOC. Since the incident has been discussed multiple times, hence without going into too much detail, let's just focus on the Indian claim of shooting down a PAF F-16.
The Indians had started perusing this claim within 24 hours of the clash taking place. Ironically, the IAF has been unable to back it's claim with no form of proof whatsoever.
There's no wreckage, HUD or Gun Camera footage, no pilot captured or any other worth while evidence to lend any credibility to the Indian claim of shooting down any PAF aircraft let alone an F-16. The Indians continued with it's ludicrous insistence even after an Independent US source clarified all the F-16s and PAF put on display all the four missiles from the crashed Indian MiG which is supposed to have shot down the F-16.
However on the same day an Indian Mi-17 Helicopter went down under critical circumstances with the loss of six IAF personal and a civilian on the ground. Intially the IAF said that the Mi-17 crashed due to some technical malfunction, which was instantly debunked by several witnesses who saw the Helicopter explode and break into two. While the PAF maintained it had nothing to do with this loss. While without a single proof the IAF within 24 hours laid claim to an F-16 kill yet even after two months, an aircraft crashing on it's own side of LOC, with wreckage sitting in it's living room and all the other data and details at fingertips, yet the Indians are unable to determine the cause of the crash.
Beating about the bush on F-16 issue may divert the Indian public's attention and may even lift it's tail but would it do any good for the moral of the IAF, which suffered a thumping at the hands of the PAF and now battered and bruised is finding excuses and cover ups to hide the humiliation.

My views on the subject -

• India lost a Mig-21 including pilot captured. whole world knows this.
• Indian claim about F-16 is farcical and outside of India nobody believes it.
• Indian claim of having killed 'terrorists' is also farcical and outside of India nobody believes it.
• There is some possibility that M-16 heli was shot down by PAF but not wanting to escalate a dangerous situatooin Pakistan has denied this 'shoot down'.
• The denial of Indian heli 'shoot down' and return of pilot left the door open for India to save face and de-escalate the situation.

Feb 2019 saw India being thumped, slapped and sent packing home.

 

[Imran Khan]

do we really need to disscuss it ?
on 27 feb they said

no mig-21 shot down
mig-21 was technical issue
abhinandan is a Pakistani guys
mi-17 was technical issue


they are proven liars even when whole world was showing abhinandan on tv indians were silent and not admitting it .

 

[SIPRA]

do we really need to disscuss it ?

Then, what else? Today appears to be a very dry day, from news point of view.

 

[American Pakistani]

do we really need to disscuss it ?
on 27 feb they said

no mig-21 shot down
mig-21 was technical issue
abhinandan is a Pakistani guys
mi-17 was technical issue


they are proven liars even when whole world was showing abhinandan on tv indians were silent and not admitting it .

I think @Windjammer is doing excellent job exposing indian propaganda naked. This is very important as Indians have history of distorting facts.

 

[MM_Haider]

Indians are compulsive liars

 

[Path-Finder]

more than anything its the vulgar bakth CowKiDar that have ruined it for pharat, talking crap online in swarming hordes of cockroach has done more damage to their cause then any.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

It's been over two months since Pakistan Air Force and Indian Air Force clashed above the LOC. Since the incident has been discussed multiple times, hence without going into too much detail, let's just focus on the Indian claim of shooting down a PAF F-16.
The Indians had started perusing this claim within 24 hours of the clash taking place. Ironically, the IAF has been unable to back it's claim with no form of proof whatsoever.
There's no wreckage, HUD or Gun Camera footage, no pilot captured or any other worth while evidence to lend any credibility to the Indian claim of shooting down any PAF aircraft let alone an F-16. The Indians continued with it's ludicrous insistence even after an Independent US source clarified all the F-16s and PAF put on display all the four missiles from the crashed Indian MiG which is supposed to have shot down the F-16.
However on the same day an Indian Mi-17 Helicopter went down under critical circumstances with the loss of six IAF personal and a civilian on the ground. Intially the IAF said that the Mi-17 crashed due to some technical malfunction, which was instantly debunked by several witnesses who saw the Helicopter explode and break into two. While the PAF maintained it had nothing to do with this loss. While without a single proof the IAF within 24 hours laid claim to an F-16 kill yet even after two months, an aircraft crashing on it's own side of LOC, with wreckage sitting in it's living room and all the other data and details at fingertips, yet the Indians are unable to determine the cause of the crash.
Beating about the bush on F-16 issue may divert the Indian public's attention and may even lift it's tail but would it do any good for the moral of the IAF, which suffered a thumping at the hands of the PAF and now battered and bruised is finding excuses and cover ups to hide the humiliation.

Indians did produce evidence. we just didnt accept it

Issues of MI-17 and F-16 are pretty clear, by now and there is hardly any further clarity required.

Indians even changed the narrative blaming Pakistan shooting down the copter and then making the father of one of the dead personnel vow revenge on Pakistan
only later they sheepishly admitted that it was their own doing (that too had multiple versions)

 

[SIPRA]

Indians did produce evidence. we just didnt accept it

Indians even changed the narrative blaming Pakistan shooting down the copter and then making the father of one of the dead personnel vow revenge on Pakistan
only later they sheepishly admitted that it was their own doing (that too had multiple versions)

Naturally, India would keep on changing stories, as it suits them. But, objectively, these two issues are almost settled.

 

[Thorough Pro]

I disagree. There is no glory or respect in lies. We don't need to stoop to their level besides lying never accomplishes anything except self delusions. Regardless of how bitter, we should always state the truth. For tactical reasons if we can't, then we should stay quite.

I busted their lies on the thread below so instead reposting it here I just post the link for you guys to see how absurd their claim is
==> Let's debunk Indian Claims about Black Box

By the way, I will give credit to Indians for the persistence on a lie.. they themselves know it very well that it is a lie but still they keep it parroting like millions of times ... a perfect machinery for hybrid war. This is something we Pakistanis can't do. We need to learn their tactics to counter them because being principled and going by the book won't teach them a lesson.

 

[SIPRA]

I disagree. There is no glory or respect in lies. We don't need to stoop to their level besides lying never accomplishes anything except self delusions. Regardless of how bitter, we should always state the truth. For tactical reasons if we can't, then we should stay quite.

Unfortunately, lie and deception are essential and indispensable components of the politics, global relations, war and diplomacy. Idealism apart, there is no escape from these tools. The prudent thing is that they should be used, in a way, to maintain deniability.

 

[Trango Towers]

Why is no one talking about the su30 shot down that crashed on the Indian side and even Indian media accept their su30 was shot down. Have you all forgotten the image of the charred Indian pilot and Kashmiri brothers shouting Pakistan zindabad in to be free Kashmir