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via Australian Senate Submission on the F-35 (Link and item 35).

"We also simulated Joint Strike Fighter against Russian fighter aircraft where we flew two against two.
In the forenoon I and the Danish test pilot was flying Joint Strike Fighters against two Russian fighters. Int he afternoon we swapped, so we flew Russian fighter aircraft against the Joint Strike Fighter.
In the afternoon the first thing the test pilot and I noticed was that the Russian fighters was not loaded with the best air-to-air missiles as the Russians have in real life. We therefore asked about getting some better. It was denied us. We two pilots complained but it was not changed.
My test pilot and I decided in our simulated Russian combat aircraft to fly “line abreast”, but with 25 nautical miles distance. Then at least one of us could with radar look into the side of the Joint Strike Fighter and thus view it at long distance. The one who “saw” the Joint Strike Fighter could then link the radar image to the other. Then missiles could be fired at long distance at the Joint Strike Fighter.
It was also denied us, although we protested this incomprehensible disposition.
It was now quite clear to us that with the directives and emotional limitations simulations would in no waygive a true and fair view of anything. On the other hand, it would show that the Joint Strike Fighter was a good air defense fighter, which in no way can be inferred from the simulations. We spoke loudly and clearly that this way was manipulating with the Joint Strike Fighter air defence capability.
Because of these circumstances, I would not let the Danish Air Force be included as part of the totally misleading/non-transparent results, which alone would show Joint Strike Fighters superiority in the air defence role, which it would not have been against an opponent with missiles with a performance than those who we were given permission to. Also there was given major obstacles in the way flying tactically against the Joint Strike Fighter.
We therefore left simulations, returned to Denmark and complained to the Chief of Staff Tactical Air Command and technical manager Air Material Command."


The LtCol is basically saying that we're seeing organized and coordinated fraud by Lockheed Martin, the Joint Program Office, certain officer in the USMC and USAF and worst of all the US Dept of Defense.

SNAFU!: Listen to what the pilots say about the F-35? How about this retired LTCol from the Danish Air Force!
 
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via Australian Senate Submission on the F-35 (Link and item 35).

"We also simulated Joint Strike Fighter against Russian fighter aircraft where we flew two against two.
In the forenoon I and the Danish test pilot was flying Joint Strike Fighters against two Russian fighters. Int he afternoon we swapped, so we flew Russian fighter aircraft against the Joint Strike Fighter.
In the afternoon the first thing the test pilot and I noticed was that the Russian fighters was not loaded with the best air-to-air missiles as the Russians have in real life. We therefore asked about getting some better. It was denied us. We two pilots complained but it was not changed.
My test pilot and I decided in our simulated Russian combat aircraft to fly “line abreast”, but with 25 nautical miles distance. Then at least one of us could with radar look into the side of the Joint Strike Fighter and thus view it at long distance. The one who “saw” the Joint Strike Fighter could then link the radar image to the other. Then missiles could be fired at long distance at the Joint Strike Fighter.
It was also denied us, although we protested this incomprehensible disposition.
It was now quite clear to us that with the directives and emotional limitations simulations would in no waygive a true and fair view of anything. On the other hand, it would show that the Joint Strike Fighter was a good air defense fighter, which in no way can be inferred from the simulations. We spoke loudly and clearly that this way was manipulating with the Joint Strike Fighter air defence capability.
Because of these circumstances, I would not let the Danish Air Force be included as part of the totally misleading/non-transparent results, which alone would show Joint Strike Fighters superiority in the air defence role, which it would not have been against an opponent with missiles with a performance than those who we were given permission to. Also there was given major obstacles in the way flying tactically against the Joint Strike Fighter.
We therefore left simulations, returned to Denmark and complained to the Chief of Staff Tactical Air Command and technical manager Air Material Command."


The LtCol is basically saying that we're seeing organized and coordinated fraud by Lockheed Martin, the Joint Program Office, certain officer in the USMC and USAF and worst of all the US Dept of Defense.

SNAFU!: Listen to what the pilots say about the F-35? How about this retired LTCol from the Danish Air Force!


As I understand, Danish pilots were denied best Russian air to air missiles of current generation against an aircraft of future right? o_O What are they gonna do when next generation of Vympels rolls out?
 
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The guys down at F-16.net looked up the guy, apparently he retired in 2004, the latest he could have done any simulation. Given that is a full decade plus before today, and a year or two before the first prototype, the AA-1 flew, there probably didn't exist a simulator which could have done it in the fidelity he desired at the time, only very general ones.

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I wonder why he did not mention this in his submission? It's certainly relevant information that the last time he could have been in a simulator was more than a decade ago.

Interestingly enough he has a consulting agency as indicated in his linked in, and one of the F-16 guys (credit to Hornetfinn) dug up an article that when translated shows he has been working as a consultant for the Eurofighter!
At least as of mid 2015.

Eksperter: Simulator er ikke som en testflyvning | Nyheder | DR

Tidligere pilot: En simulator er ikke virkeligheden
Men det er et problem, at danske piloter ikke har afprøvet Joint Strike Fighter i virkeligheden, mener Anker Sørensen, der er tidligere eskadrillechef og chef for operationsafdelingen for Flyvestation Skrydstrup. Han har fløjet F-16 i 16 år, og arbejder nu som konsulent for konkurrenten til JSF, Eurofighter.

Translation:
Former pilot:A simulator is not reality
But it is a problem that the Danish pilots do not have tested the Joint Strike Fighter, in fact,believe Anchor S, a former Squadron commander and Chief of the operations Department for air base skrydstrup.He has flown F-16 for 16 years,and now works as a consultant for the competitor to the JSF,the Eurofighter.

His profile on linked in is also apparently endorsed by Carlo Kopp.

Here is the thread Australian lawmakers confident in F-35's future - Program and politics
 
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