Let's end this, please

[Placemat]

Sorry to hear that someone's father was killed.

But doesn't change the fact that the Indian army commits many atrocities in Jammu and Kashmir.

Enough said.

Why us Indian army there? Can Pandits return to a secular Kashmir?

 

[Nilgiri]

When I was talking gender gap, I wasn't talking workers, but male mates.

From what I hear, Russia still has a starkly skewed ratio. Two generations on.

If millions of young men die, from nations that are anyways small on terms of population compared to Asian nations, then that means millions of women who do not procreate.

The next generation then, even with a natural gender spread, and the next, would hardly compensate towards righting the overall ratio.

I'll read up on this.

Cheers, Doc



When I was talking gender gap, I wasn't talking workers, but male mates.

From what I hear, Russia still has a starkly skewed ratio. Two generations on.

If millions of young men die, from nations that are anyways small on terms of population compared to Asian nations, then that means millions of women who do not procreate.

The next generation then, even with a natural gender spread, and the next, would hardly compensate towards righting the overall ratio.

I'll read up on this.

@Joe Shearer @Nilgiri

Cheers, Doc

We talking about how all the major war afflicted countries replenished and stabilised their populations after the loss of so many men? The answer is it took quite some toll if you look at population pyramid...when you compare what their population would have been compared to what it turned out to be. I would estimate Germany for example would be around 120 million population (similar to Japan population level) if the world wars didnt happen and those young men lived (instead of the 85 million odd it has now, a lot of them not ethnic German either). Remember its bit like domino chain...one young man back then would result in quite a few people being alive today descendants wise. The loss of that is never really mitigated, even if you import people to some degree. In germany case, a lot of germans from parts of Europe that were no longer Germany at the end of the war, also streamed in to help replace the population lost in the geogprahic entity of Germany today. A huge part of western poland today is traditional germany (Prussia). It was given to Poland to compensate for what the soviets took for themselves (i.e earlier Eastern poland). The poles kicked out every single german...every single one. It wasn't pretty at all...WW2 didnt just end one fine day with signing a piece of paper.

As far as the original topic goes, I got nothing to say tbh....this forum is not really my place anymore to talk about this stuff....other than when the khukri is unsheathed, it must taste blood before it can be sheathed again. A Great Parsi we both had a chat about knew it very well.

 

[Placemat]

To the OP.. This will not end. It's ideological virus that has spread and only Hindus are the last standing people against this. There is no Allah or prophet. In fact there is no Hindu God either. These are all a bunch of beliefs that humans are willing to kill each other for. We are a unique animal in that sense. A monkey will not kill another monkey for a future reward of bananas in heaven. Homo sapiens do.
Maybe this will end with a nuclear war because that's then only outlet I see.
Like I said yesterday, the other monotheistic religion Christianity will have the last laugh. Probably China too. With the Hindu Muslim war the Islamic bomb would have gone. And Israel and West will take out other Muslim lands without much trouble. Ultimately the south Asia, indo Aryan gene will be wiped out. The draviduan gene With Christian culture will rise in IndoPak. Islamic culture will recede back to arab lands post nuclear wipe out. My predictions.

 

[padamchen]

Indians are at a loss of how to deal with Kashmir. This incident, if it is to be believed, was carried out by a local Kashmiri youth. Standard politics will not solve this impasse. The years of Indian Hindu radicalization and Hindu supremacist language and actions will have a blow-back in a country that is suppose to uphold secularism and equality before the law.

Indians have lost the hearts and minds of Kashmiri youths. They don't see a future with India. If India is brave enough to try to win back the people of Kashmir through a truth and reconciliation process it may have a chance to return to some form of peace and rebuild some trust with the people there.

But if it doesn't want to face the hard truth, it should be prepared to cut its losses. Kashmir is weighing them down from their developmental aspirations. No other nation is basing nearly a million solders to occupy a region it wants the inhabitants to feel are equal citizens. After all the years of abuse its surprising the Indians are surprised the Kashmiris feel the way they do.

In an interview today on Indian TV; Kashmir leader Farook Abdulah says "You will never trust us because we are Muslims": "Start to trust Muslims or else the consequences will be bad".

On a Civilization level, Hindu Indians have lived with Muslims for over a thousand years, under different forms of governments. Originally after partition the border was suppose to be a free flowing border, but the ego of both sides has lead us to today. When the Princely states (like Hyderabad) with Muslim rulers wanted to join Pakistan, India swallowed them up. India doesn't live up to the Ideals it espouses and the people are revolting. Even the pro-Indian Kashmiris don't feel hopeful.

While Indians are stuck in their stubborn form of thinking, trying to pin the blame on Pakistan, hoping to isolate Pakistan, Pakistan just signed $20 billion in deals with Saudi Arabia.

A free flowing border would have been the next best thing to a united India.

But the butchery that followed Partition put paid to that.

Kashmir is just a hauwwa. The real problem is the legacy of hate between Hindus and Sikhs and Bengalis and Punjabi Muslims.

Cheers, Doc

 

[Placemat]

SIMPLE SOLUTION.
Conduct the referendum in Kashmir.
Problem had always been on Intransigent Indian side.
Its UNBELIEVABLE that Indians don't see the MONTROSITY of their ATROCITIES in Kashmir.
.

Ok

 

[Nilgiri]

SIMPLE SOLUTION.
Conduct the referendum in Kashmir.
Problem had always been on Intransigent Indian side.
Its UNBELIEVABLE that Indians don't see the MONTROSITY of their ATROCITIES in Kashmir.
.

When you call for referendums in Tibet and East Turkestan first....then you start to come off as borderline credible. Till then you are a fart in the wind...some might get a whiff if it....but no one really pays its any serious heed as it is soon gone.

@T-123456

 

[Placemat]

When you call for referendums in Tibet and East Turkestan first....then you start to come off as borderline credible. Till then you are a fart in the wind...some might get a whiff if it....but no one really pays its any serious heed as it is soon gone.

Also in HK Macao, Taiwan. Free Bo xilai.

 

[Nilgiri]

Also in HK Macao, Taiwan. Free Bo xilai.

Taiwan has its referendums quite regularly. They run their own elections between pro-integration party (the one that fought the old enemy Mao ironically) and anti-integration party. There is an interesting dynamic there....it annoys the Chinese members no end when you mention people from the latter party (currently in power and sticking it to them).

I agree with HK, Macao....in fact anyone calling for a referendum anywhere else, must first call for one in their own country for all its regions....to come off as basic credible on the matter.

 

[Psychic]

My dear Pakistanis,

Today a colleague of mine sent me a video of a little boy singing in memory of his parents. He thought the little kid is an unfortunate son of an Indian army officer who had been martyred fighting militants in Kashmir and his mother perished in shock after hearing the news. What he did not know, the kid belong to the other side of the border. In this age of Internet, information bits get ridiculously distorted but here, in this case the emotions that reached this side of the border magnified itself to an unbearably heart wrenching level.

Men in uniform are bleeding on your side and our side too. But trust me, now kids of those CRPF martyrs are feeling the same as this little boy of your country. My request to you all is, while you may hate our state policies (while we may do the same to yours), please respect the soldiers. Kashmir agenda has grown to such a monstrously poisonous extent that Indians and Pakistanis are assuming each other no less than a demon. Please lets not forget the humane side of each other and let sanity prevail.

Regards

Hold a referendum in Kashmir district wise as per UNSC resolutions.
Else, blood will flow---in both directions.

You can't expect to grab a piece of land and not expect retaliation. If borders can be redrawn for peace in East Timur and Darfur, why not Kashmir?

A soldier fights not because he hates the enemy in front of him.

A soldier fights because he loves his countrymen behind him.

Don't pay him for a month or two---we'll see for how long he fights.

.in fact anyone calling for a referendum anywhere else, must first call for one in their own country for all its regions....to come off as basic credible on the matter.

That is true. That was the advice Abdullah Haroon gave to Zia ul Haq for putting moral pressure on India. There are still Pakistanis who are willing to conduct unilateral referendum on our side of LOC---Majority are pro-Pakistan, some are pro-independence, despite having nothing to fear there is inaction and procrastination on this issue.

 

[Placemat]

Taiwan has its referendums quite regularly. They run their own elections between pro-integration party (the one that fought the old enemy Mao ironically) and anti-integration party. There is an interesting dynamic there....it annoys the Chinese members no end when you mention people from the latter party (currently in power and sticking it to them).

I agree with HK, Macao....in fact anyone calling for a referendum anywhere else, must first call for one in their own country for all its regions....to come off as basic credible on the matter.

That guy is a psycho

Hold a referendum in Kashmir district wise as per UNSC resolutions.
Else, blood will flow---in both directions.

You can't expect to grab a piece of land and not expect retaliation. If borders can be redrawn for peace in East Timur and Darfur, why not Kashmir?


Don't pay him for a month or two---we'll see for how long he fights.


That is true. That was the advice Abdullah Haroon gave to Zia ul Haq for putting moral pressure on India. There are still Pakistanis who are willing to conduct unilateral referendum on our side of LOC---Majority are pro-Pakistan, some are pro-independence, despite having nothing to fear there is inaction and procrastination on this issue.

Simms agreement in 71 really nullifies call for referendum. Waste of time discussing this. Because there are a lot of preconditions a d several positions on the ground altered a referendum call in 47 does not hold water now.

 

[padamchen]

That guy is a psycho


Simms agreement in 71 really nullifies call for referendum. Waste of time discussing this. Because there are a lot of preconditions a d several positions on the ground altered a referendum call in 47 does not hold water now.

You don't need to listen too carefully to hear really what the Pakistani here are echoing their state line.

Do what we want or blood will keep flowing.

Which is why threads like these are a waste of time and goodwill.

We must see dead bodies of the enemy, and all our God's willing, we shall.

Cheers, Doc

 

[Placemat]

You don't need to listen too carefully to hear really what the Pakistani here are echoing their state line.

Do what we want or blood will keep flowing.

Which is why threads like these are a waste of time and goodwill.

We must see dead bodies of the enemy, and all our God's willing, we shall.

Cheers, Doc

Inshallah the Pak Army will pay with their lives

 

[Mugwop]

My dear Pakistanis,

Today a colleague of mine sent me a video of a little boy singing in memory of his parents. He thought the little kid is an unfortunate son of an Indian army officer who had been martyred fighting militants in Kashmir and his mother perished in shock after hearing the news. What he did not know, the kid belong to the other side of the border. In this age of Internet, information bits get ridiculously distorted but here, in this case the emotions that reached this side of the border magnified itself to an unbearably heart wrenching level.

Men in uniform are bleeding on your side and our side too. But trust me, now kids of those CRPF martyrs are feeling the same as this little boy of your country. My request to you all is, while you may hate our state policies (while we may do the same to yours), please respect the soldiers. Kashmir agenda has grown to such a monstrously poisonous extent that Indians and Pakistanis are assuming each other no less than a demon. Please lets not forget the humane side of each other and let sanity prevail.

Regards

Hey man I dare you to post this on a a indian forum and see how your fellow countrymen react towards you.

 

[sinait]

When you call for referendums in Tibet and East Turkestan first....then you start to come off as borderline credible. Till then you are a fart in the wind...some might get a whiff if it....but no one really pays its any serious heed as it is soon gone.

BIG DIFFERENCE is these provinces are part of China centuries ago.
Whereas INDIA is MODERN DAY GREEDY LAND ROBBING IMPERIALIST.
INDIA IS THE HYPOCRITE DOUBLE HEADED FORKED TONGUE SNAKE.
GREEDY INDIA wants its cake and eat it too.
FREE Junagadh and Hyderabad before we even discuss sovereignty of Kashmir.

https://www.thequint.com/india/2015/09/17/annexation-of-hyderabad-the-untold-story
Annexation of Hyderabad: The Untold Story
It was in this week, 67 years ago, that Mir Osman Ali Khan, the Hyderabad Nizam capitulated under pressure from Indian forces and the large state became a part of India.

Hyderabad was also in some ways the opposite of Kashmir, where a Muslim majority was ruled over by a Hindu king.

On 13 September 1948, the Indian army began Operation Polo. India’s soldiers invaded Hyderabad and in a few days it was all over. The events before and after the operation led to massive violence in which tens of thousands of lives were lost.

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-24159594
Hyderabad 1948: India's hidden massacre

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annexation_of_Junagadh
The Nawab of Junagadh, Muhammad Mahabat Khanji III, a Muslim whose ancestors had ruled Junagadh and small principalities for some two hundred years, decided that Junagadh should become part of Pakistan.

INDIAN MASS MURDERERS NOW CRYING FOR BLOOD over casualties from their INSTRUMENTS OF OPPRESSION.
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[Sheikh Rauf]

My dear Pakistanis,

Today a colleague of mine sent me a video of a little boy singing in memory of his parents. He thought the little kid is an unfortunate son of an Indian army officer who had been martyred fighting militants in Kashmir and his mother perished in shock after hearing the news. What he did not know, the kid belong to the other side of the border. In this age of Internet, information bits get ridiculously distorted but here, in this case the emotions that reached this side of the border magnified itself to an unbearably heart wrenching level.

Men in uniform are bleeding on your side and our side too. But trust me, now kids of those CRPF martyrs are feeling the same as this little boy of your country. My request to you all is, while you may hate our state policies (while we may do the same to yours), please respect the soldiers. Kashmir agenda has grown to such a monstrously poisonous extent that Indians and Pakistanis are assuming each other no less than a demon. Please lets not forget the humane side of each other and let sanity prevail.

Regards

go check the general reactions of Pakistani people and indian.. your gov poisened your people with Hate. most of us in Pakistan dont know why the hell india is crying like a Bi^C#.