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I stand by whats written below.


http://www.tribuneindia.com/news/comment/let-us-stand-by-our-soldiers-in-kashmir/269266.html

The Army must be allowed to bring militancy under control to a point where those professing it realise that the time has come to talk. Yes, people will die in the ensuing action, then so be it. Kashmir is Indian territory. If those owing allegiance to Pakistan’s ISI continue to create instability, then they must face the music.

A few days ago, a picture was posted on Facebook showing a young CRPF jawan lying on the ground being kicked by gloating hooligans who believe they have the right to treat our security forces as such, and are the answer to Kashmir’s problems. That was for me a case of “enough is enough”.

These hooligans seem to believe that India will succumb to their macho instincts. By now they should have realised that Kashmir is a part of India, as Maharaja Hari Singh had signed the Instrument of Accession on August 18, 1947, long before they were born. That was then the condition laid down for all Indian princely states, and that signature made Kashmir an integral part of India, notwithstanding the regular hiccups from Pakistan or from their sympathisers in the Valley.


Recently, a mobile patrol of 14 RR near Bandipura was attacked. Tomorrow it may be some other military establishment. The headquarters of 15 Corps at Srinagar was attacked in the past. The pattern is consistent, when military activity is curtailed or subdued, militancy rises. History has on so many occasions shown us that unless the writ of the government is firmly established, negotiations are futile.


This phenomenon of the Valley turning out for a militant’s funeral will happen and will grow unless the government acts. The past is full of incidents which have strengthened militancy through appeasement. We today have Mehbooba Mufti as the Chief Minister, whose penchant for playing with fire is well established. We had militants being released in the past for her sister Rubaiya Sayeed; the first act of appeasement. Her father, Mufti Mohammad Sayeed, was then the Union Home Minister. We then had the Delhi-Kathmandu flight hijacked to Kandahar in 1999. Three prominent militants in custody were released, including Maulana Masood Azhar of the Jaish-e-Mohammad. This was followed by an attack on our Parliament in December 2001, with Azhar being the mastermind. Appeasement only leads to the strengthening of the militants’ morale, while demoralising that of one’s own forces


It was after the failure of Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto’s Operation Gibraltar in 1965, that the ISI escalated its involvement in Kashmir. When the holy relic of the Prophet was stolen in Srinagar in 1964 and riots broke out, all that was required to quell the riots were four Punjab Armed Police battalions. Look at the force level today? This is not the fault of the Army or the other security forces, but a confused Kashmir policy that has brought the current situation to the fore. The Army can contain a situation to a point, it is then for the Government of India (GoI) to take whatever political initiatives are required. The trouble is that before the Army brings Kashmir to the point necessary for negotiations, dabbling commences and the first casualty is the Army itself.


Those who do not have any experience of counter-insurgency operations seem to comment the most and do untold harm to the system. These are not riots, as the PDP MP, Muzaffar Baig, would make us believe by quoting a Supreme Court ruling, but full-fledged insurgency. This procedure is not possible in a full-fledged battle and I believe, has not been the intention in the SC’s judgment.


The Army must be allowed to bring militancy under control to a point where those professing it realise that the time has come to talk. Yes, people will die in the ensuing action, then so be it. Kashmir is Indian territory. If those owing allegiance to Pakistan’s ISI continue to create instability then they must face the music. The Burhan Wanis may be the glamour boys for many, to India they are the perpetrators of violence and separatism. Let them not live with a mistaken belief that they have the upper hand.


The Government of India must allow freedom of action to the Army. The directive must be just one: “Bring a situation in the state where the writ of India runs and not that of the ISI”. Yes, in the ensuing clashes collateral damage will take place. No soldier likes such action. He is trained to face the enemy, not protecting his back against treacherous elements. We have had this experience in Nagaland, Manipur etc. The British army considered their Northern Ireland commitment prior to peace with the IRA, in the same light. It was the IRA which finally decided to talk peace when they could not face growing military pressure.


In such situations, the government must support any military action taken. Unfortunately, this has not been the situation. For instance, in Budgam when a car broke through a military checkpoint in November 2014, the soldiers manning the post opened fire, as was their duty. One officer and eight jawans were court-martialled and imprisoned. Penalising soldiers for doing what was expected of them is unacceptable. It is for the Chief and his Northern Army Commander to stand by their men in the difficult duty they are performing and not succumb to political pressures. A patrol was mobbed in the Qazigund area and an effort was made by the mob to snatch weapons from the soldiers, the patrol had to open fire to extricate itself, in which one man and two women were killed. The Army says it “deeply regretted” the incident and an inquiry has been ordered. This is ludicrous. Are we becoming an army of girl guides? What would have happened to the patrol leader had they managed to snatch the weapons? It seems the current policy is that you are wrong if you do and you are also wrong if you don’t – an absurd situation.


In the late 1950s, my battalion was in Nagaland. The orders were that no Naga would be dressed in khaki and would carry a weapon. One day, in the early morning mist an NCO-led patrol came across a Naga in khaki with what looked like a weapon (it was a staff). When challenged, he panicked and ran and the patrol opened fire killing him. It so happened, his daughter worked in the PMO. In the rumpus that followed, the PM demanded the battalion be disbanded. The Army Chief, General Thimmaya, refused to comply. He stood by his battalion and his NCO. Here we are today still serving the country. This is what the Army expects from our Chief and our Army commanders. It would be appropriate to end with a quote from President Obama’s statement on the recent violence against the police in Baton Rouge, Louisiana: “I want to be clear: there is no justification for violence against law enforcement. None. These attacks are the work of cowards who speak for no one. They right no wrongs. They advance no causes”. This in full applies to Kashmir.


The writer, the Congress MP from Amritsar, is a military historian.
 
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Justification of slaughter of Kashmiris by Indians what else is new here.
 
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They should after what they had done with pandits

IA should arm 3 million Kashmiri pandits of Jammu and Kashmir to give bullets to bullets

Go ahead who is stopping you. You indian throw loads of crap when these Indian pundits live like royalty compared to Kashmiri Muslims. There are special incentives being given to them so they can change demographics of Kashmir to Hindu majority. So spare me your rhetoric's.
 
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They should after what they had done with pandits

IA should arm 3 million Kashmiri pandits of Jammu and Kashmir to give bullets to bullets
This is an option but not a good one.

Would lead to anarchy . Salva
Judum did not help.
 
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Indian Army has full support from the people of India. We are proud of them for what they are doing for the country.
Go ahead who is stopping you. You indian throw loads of crap when these Indian pundits live like royalty compared to Kashmiri Muslims. There are special incentives being given to them so they can change demographics of Kashmir to Hindu majority. So spare me your rhetoric's.

You have no idea about the reality of the Kashmir problem. And yet you are here commenting on the situation based on your facts by Hafeez Saeed or the Pakistani media.
 
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Indian Army has full support from the people of India. We are proud of them for what they are doing for the country.


You have no idea about the reality of the Kashmir problem. And yet you are here commenting on the situation based on your facts by Hafeez Saeed or the Pakistani media.
What is the reality?
It is a pure case of the disenfranchised being treated worse rather than being empowered. The ISI could not do jack in Kashmir what India and its populous have done to Kashmiri Muslims by distancing and leaving them underdeveloped.
 
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I stand by whats written below.


http://www.tribuneindia.com/news/comment/let-us-stand-by-our-soldiers-in-kashmir/269266.html

The Army must be allowed to bring militancy under control to a point where those professing it realise that the time has come to talk. Yes, people will die in the ensuing action, then so be it. Kashmir is Indian territory. If those owing allegiance to Pakistan’s ISI continue to create instability, then they must face the music.

A few days ago, a picture was posted on Facebook showing a young CRPF jawan lying on the ground being kicked by gloating hooligans who believe they have the right to treat our security forces as such, and are the answer to Kashmir’s problems. That was for me a case of “enough is enough”.

These hooligans seem to believe that India will succumb to their macho instincts. By now they should have realised that Kashmir is a part of India, as Maharaja Hari Singh had signed the Instrument of Accession on August 18, 1947, long before they were born. That was then the condition laid down for all Indian princely states, and that signature made Kashmir an integral part of India, notwithstanding the regular hiccups from Pakistan or from their sympathisers in the Valley.


Recently, a mobile patrol of 14 RR near Bandipura was attacked. Tomorrow it may be some other military establishment. The headquarters of 15 Corps at Srinagar was attacked in the past. The pattern is consistent, when military activity is curtailed or subdued, militancy rises. History has on so many occasions shown us that unless the writ of the government is firmly established, negotiations are futile.


This phenomenon of the Valley turning out for a militant’s funeral will happen and will grow unless the government acts. The past is full of incidents which have strengthened militancy through appeasement. We today have Mehbooba Mufti as the Chief Minister, whose penchant for playing with fire is well established. We had militants being released in the past for her sister Rubaiya Sayeed; the first act of appeasement. Her father, Mufti Mohammad Sayeed, was then the Union Home Minister. We then had the Delhi-Kathmandu flight hijacked to Kandahar in 1999. Three prominent militants in custody were released, including Maulana Masood Azhar of the Jaish-e-Mohammad. This was followed by an attack on our Parliament in December 2001, with Azhar being the mastermind. Appeasement only leads to the strengthening of the militants’ morale, while demoralising that of one’s own forces


It was after the failure of Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto’s Operation Gibraltar in 1965, that the ISI escalated its involvement in Kashmir. When the holy relic of the Prophet was stolen in Srinagar in 1964 and riots broke out, all that was required to quell the riots were four Punjab Armed Police battalions. Look at the force level today? This is not the fault of the Army or the other security forces, but a confused Kashmir policy that has brought the current situation to the fore. The Army can contain a situation to a point, it is then for the Government of India (GoI) to take whatever political initiatives are required. The trouble is that before the Army brings Kashmir to the point necessary for negotiations, dabbling commences and the first casualty is the Army itself.


Those who do not have any experience of counter-insurgency operations seem to comment the most and do untold harm to the system. These are not riots, as the PDP MP, Muzaffar Baig, would make us believe by quoting a Supreme Court ruling, but full-fledged insurgency. This procedure is not possible in a full-fledged battle and I believe, has not been the intention in the SC’s judgment.


The Army must be allowed to bring militancy under control to a point where those professing it realise that the time has come to talk. Yes, people will die in the ensuing action, then so be it. Kashmir is Indian territory. If those owing allegiance to Pakistan’s ISI continue to create instability then they must face the music. The Burhan Wanis may be the glamour boys for many, to India they are the perpetrators of violence and separatism. Let them not live with a mistaken belief that they have the upper hand.


The Government of India must allow freedom of action to the Army. The directive must be just one: “Bring a situation in the state where the writ of India runs and not that of the ISI”. Yes, in the ensuing clashes collateral damage will take place. No soldier likes such action. He is trained to face the enemy, not protecting his back against treacherous elements. We have had this experience in Nagaland, Manipur etc. The British army considered their Northern Ireland commitment prior to peace with the IRA, in the same light. It was the IRA which finally decided to talk peace when they could not face growing military pressure.


In such situations, the government must support any military action taken. Unfortunately, this has not been the situation. For instance, in Budgam when a car broke through a military checkpoint in November 2014, the soldiers manning the post opened fire, as was their duty. One officer and eight jawans were court-martialled and imprisoned. Penalising soldiers for doing what was expected of them is unacceptable. It is for the Chief and his Northern Army Commander to stand by their men in the difficult duty they are performing and not succumb to political pressures. A patrol was mobbed in the Qazigund area and an effort was made by the mob to snatch weapons from the soldiers, the patrol had to open fire to extricate itself, in which one man and two women were killed. The Army says it “deeply regretted” the incident and an inquiry has been ordered. This is ludicrous. Are we becoming an army of girl guides? What would have happened to the patrol leader had they managed to snatch the weapons? It seems the current policy is that you are wrong if you do and you are also wrong if you don’t – an absurd situation.


In the late 1950s, my battalion was in Nagaland. The orders were that no Naga would be dressed in khaki and would carry a weapon. One day, in the early morning mist an NCO-led patrol came across a Naga in khaki with what looked like a weapon (it was a staff). When challenged, he panicked and ran and the patrol opened fire killing him. It so happened, his daughter worked in the PMO. In the rumpus that followed, the PM demanded the battalion be disbanded. The Army Chief, General Thimmaya, refused to comply. He stood by his battalion and his NCO. Here we are today still serving the country. This is what the Army expects from our Chief and our Army commanders. It would be appropriate to end with a quote from President Obama’s statement on the recent violence against the police in Baton Rouge, Louisiana: “I want to be clear: there is no justification for violence against law enforcement. None. These attacks are the work of cowards who speak for no one. They right no wrongs. They advance no causes”. This in full applies to Kashmir.


The writer, the Congress MP from Amritsar, is a military historian.


Our politicians are crooks...They just find army as a scapegoat to blame everything..If any of our politician have any sense, i would love to see an election in Kashmir and hand over Kashmir to Pakistan if people of Kashmir really see their future in Pakistan...

Come on guys...we can not take this useless issue for long...That does not mean, we do not have the capacity to withstand this problem, rather it is an useless problem that India is spending energy and attention...The bigger picture is that we have to strengthen our economy in a faster pace than just hooking ourselves in Kashmir issue...
 
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What is the reality?
It is a pure case of the disenfranchised being treated worse rather than being empowered. The ISI could not do jack in Kashmir what India and its populous have done to Kashmiri Muslims by distancing and leaving them underdeveloped.

That more fault of local Kashmiri leaders than India as state

They wanted autonomy in Section 370
Which made restrictions for Indian
Govt schemes to reach to common Kashmiri public

We have provided them billions to there Govt which mostly has local Kashmiri its leader

Credit go to abdullah family
& Mufti family
 
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We had militants being released in the past for her sister Rubaiya Sayeed; the first act of appeasement. Her father, Mufti Mohammad Sayeed, was then the Union Home Minister. We then had the Delhi-Kathmandu flight hijacked to Kandahar in 1999. Three prominent militants in custody were released, including Maulana Masood Azhar of the Jaish-e-Mohammad. This was followed by an attack on our Parliament in December 2001, with Azhar being the mastermind. Appeasement only leads to the strengthening of the militants’ morale, while demoralising that of one’s own forces
This probably is most significant part of story so far.
Lack of strong policy to deal with extremists and even lesser will to implement it, has been a sort of root cause for situation we find ourselves now.
People often mistake, strong policy as draconian but truth is you cannot control heavy arm totting extremists in same manner as you would a riot crowd.
US has a policy of no negotiations with hijackers, kidnappers is something we should've adopted a long time ago. It is backed by firm and strong security measures in vulnerable places, that in first place doesnot allow, maniacs to procure bargaining chips.
Things have changed a lot after IA flight hijack (no incidence after that) but still the policy to deal with violent elements hell bent on creating terror needs continuous review and correction. The idea is to have an eye on future and not get unnecessarily perturbed by noises around.
 
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What is the reality?
It is a pure case of the disenfranchised being treated worse rather than being empowered. The ISI could not do jack in Kashmir what India and its populous have done to Kashmiri Muslims by distancing and leaving them underdeveloped.
we didn't distance themselves @Oscar.. They are distancing themselves.. did Indian govt deny them of any rights??? Heck even they get VIP treatment in all government jobs which normal Indian only will dream about.. There was a guy (His name is Hakikat Ali wani) who joined along with me in my company when I finished my college.. When there was a normal introduction about every employees background, he refused to co operate or share his thoughts and ideas.. He distanced himself from each one of us.. Not ready to talk in a normal manner.. All of us were interested in knowing more about Kashmir from him, but he treated all of us with so much hatred.. So it is not us, but them, that are distancing from prosperity.. Govt is spending Billions of rupees as Aid and there tons of relaxations in rules for only people of Kashmir.. what else a govt can do??
 
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Probably the best and most sensible line, i've heard, since the situation arose.

Well I think we can blame our politicians and so called "Intellectuals" for this........ They find it perfectly alrite to blame armed forces, because in India no one is going to complain about it..... Actually the problem is with the morons sitting in delhi and Srinagar (the leaders or the politicians) and it is the army which has to take the blame.... and our leaders are happy to be in this situations as they are not criticised or their inability to handle this situation is not been discussed.... It is the army or the CRPF or the Kahsmiri police's brutalities.......
 
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would love to see an election in Kashmir and hand over Kashmir to Pakistan if people of Kashmir really see their future in Pakistan...

You appear to be unaware the Kashmir alone is no entity. It is one among 3 regions in India & two in Pakistan - all of which were signed to India.

No state ceded in part to India / Pak.

Pak is cherry picking this region as Kashmir is where all the water that flows into Pakistan comes from.

In any case it's not an option.
 
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