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Leak torpedoes India’s $2bn deal for more French submarines
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An Indian Scorpene-class submarine.

The submarine leaks scandal has led India to abandon a $US1.5 billion ($2bn) option to buy three more subs from France as the fallout from the controversy continues to rock the global arms trade.

Australia is stepping up protection of its $50bn Future Submarine Project to ensure a similar devastating data leak of secret information does not happen.

The news comes as France and India intensify their investigation into the cause of the leak, revealed by The Australian, of 22,400 secret documents detailing the classified capability of India’s Scorpene submarines, with Paris preparing the ground for criminal charges to be laid.

Indian defence officials were quoted at the weekend saying that because of the scandal, India would not take up an option to buy three more French-designed Scorpene subs to add to the six that French shipbuilder DCNS is already building for the Indian navy.

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“We had an agreement for six, and six it will remain,” an Indian Defence Ministry official told Reuters.

A navy officer said India’s priority was to determine how much damage had been caused by the leak amid fears it may seriously compromise the effectiveness of India’s new subs fleet. “No order will be signed, nothing is going to happen now,” the officer, who has been briefed on the submarine data leak, said when asked whether the government planned to enlarge the order.

The news took France’s DCNS — the same company that will design 12 new subs for the Royal Australian Navy — by surprise.

DCNS spokesman Emmanuel Gaudez said the company was “stunned” by the information. “The talks are ongoing with the government and our Indian partners. We have not been informed in any way of such a decision,” he said.

DCNS has been involved in talks with India for more than a year about building three more Scorpene subs for the Indian Navy in a project which would be worth about $US1.5bn in addition to the existing $US3bn program to build six Scorpene subs.

But the leaked secret Scorpene documents, marked “Secret Scorpene India”, disclosed almost the entire combat capability of the subs, including the frequencies used to gather intelligence, the range, endurance, diving depth and survivability of the boats, their magnetic, electromagnetic and infra-red signatures, the parameters of its anti-ship missiles and, most crucially, the noise the subs make at various speeds.

The Edward Snowden-style leak of documents has also energised the Turnbull government, with Defence Industry Minister Christopher Pyne ordering his department to warn the French company about Australia’s strict requirements for the most stringent information security on the Adelaide-based project.

The Australian understands that further steps have now been taken inside Defence to ensure information security on the project is treated as a stand-alone priority for the first time in dealings between Defence and DCNS.

France this year defeated Germany and Japan in a hotly contested bid to design the navy’s future subs, with its proposed boat to be called the Shortfin Barracuda, a conventional version of the France’s new Barracuda fleet of nuclear-powered subs.

Mr Pyne told The Australianyesterday that security arrangements for the Australian Future Submarine Project would be updated on a continuous basis as required and that he had full confidence in them.

“The arrangements between the government and DCNS don’t compare with the sale of the Scorpene to the Indian Navy,” Mr Pyne said. “Our fleet of 12 submarines are a new design and build.

“The same security arrangements that we have in place for the Collins class submarine that have served us well for decades will apply to the new design and build and be updated on a continuous basis as they have always been.

“I have full confidence in those security arrangements.”

The submarine leak scandal has shaken the global arms trade as countries scramble to safeguard their information security on key weapons systems, fearing that a single major data leak like the Scorpene leak could render multi-million arms projects almost worthless overnight.

The Scorpene scandal has also affected Malaysia, Chile and Brazil, which are operating, or will soon operate, DCNS-designed Scorpene subs.

India has stumbled in its reaction to the submarine leaks scandal, with Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar trying to play down the damage caused by the leaks, while his own navy has contradicted him, saying it believes the issue is of serious concern.

French Defence Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian has described the leaks as “a malicious act”.

“We will use every means at our disposal to learn the truth ... obviously, it was a malicious act,” he said.

French authorities are investigating the leak and have prepared the grounds for possible prosecution by filing an action with the Paris prosecutor against unknown people for breach of trust, receiving stolen goods and complicity.

DCNS last week obtained an Australian court order preventingThe Australian from posting online any documents from the leaked data.

It is believed the secret documents were removed without authorisation from DCNS in France in 2011 by a former DCNS subcontractor and were then taken via a computer disk to a Southeast Asian nation, from where they were transferred to a company in Singapore.

The documents were then uploaded to an internet server in 2013 for an unknown period of time during which they were vulnerable to hacking by anyone, including foreign intelligence services.

The data was then posted to Australia by regular mail in April 2013 and its existence was revealed publicly for the first time last month by The Australian.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...s/news-story/6f9921d70c97a9c589b264c9eb5dadad
 
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If nothing of serious nature has been leaked then I dont find any reason why they should not take follow up orders of the submarines. Unless, ofc some serious info is leaked, and the 3 are already being built as we speak, so it wont make any sense to stop the work now.

The budget and funds have already been allocated and used respectively
 
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Its serious leak they but the good part is Indian govt knows information is leaked and for future procurement such leakages can be sealed ... and stopping follow up order is kind of penalty for French .... as they are responsible for leakages ...this leak can impact Malaysia and Chile too :)

If India know information is leaked they can invest in modifying some components to counter the leaked information.

If nothing of serious nature has been leaked then I dont find any reason why they should not take follow up orders of the submarines, Unless some serious info is leaked and the 3 are are already being built as we speak so it wont make any sense to sop the work has budget and funds has already been allocated and used respectively
 
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Its serious leak they but the good part is Indian govt knows information is leaked and for future procurement such leakages can be sealed ... and stopping follow up order is kind of penalty for French .... as they are responsible for leakages ...this leak can impact Malaysia and Chile too :)

If India know information is leaked they can invest in modifying some components to counter the leaked information.
But thats not according to the DM here, he seems to have keep long exceptional on this particular case
 
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We have to assume and correlate a lot in such leaks ... every one knows such leaks can literally damage a lot

People are not fool , if DM says this or not

But thats not according to the DM here, he seems to have keep long exceptional on this particular case

No one deny the fact that ISI is superb intelligence agency but once its confirmed that information is leaked it become value less ...hope you remember an Indian colonel in leaked whole deployment plan to ISI and your army reacted so fast and raised suspicion in Indian military leader ship and your asset was arrested by Military intelligence i think it was happened in 2012.

Well done ISI.
 
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PM Modi discussed Sorpene Leak with French President Hollande at G-20 summit, speak volume of seriousness regarding such situation whereby Indian Ministry stated as nothing leaked but mere maintenance and outdated data that even DCNS wanted to erase or delete and is not concern of Indian Subs.

As I stated somewhere, IMO, India would be happy with such leak that can have a massive upgrade without any cost as a penalty to DCNS, that would have charged India in future upgrades of these Subs.

Here interesting point is, the leak location is Singapore and just look at India's relationship with them that are very good so that such point could be used for any leaks which by default benefits India in the end.

Or, India itself is looking for an exit in this situation by putting everything on French while on other hand seeking many discounts in other sectors like long due of Rafale price finalization, than Subs alone as this leak revealed as blessing for India.
 
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Well done ISI.
Well done", ... Russia?


Some congressional leaders briefed recently by the intelligence agencies on Russian influence operations in Europe, and how they may serve as a template for activities in the United States, were disturbed by what they heard.

After Senate Minority Leader Harry M. Reid (D-Nev.) ended a secure 30-minute phone briefing given by a top intelligence official recently, he was “deeply shaken,” according to an aide who was with Reid when he left the secure room at the FBI’s Las Vegas office.

The Russian government hack of the Democratic National Committee, disclosed by the DNC in June but not yet officially ascribed by the U.S. government to Russia, and the subsequent release of 20,000 hacked DNC emails by WikiLeaks, shocked officials. Cyber analysts traced its digital markings to known Russian government hacking groups.

Russia has denied that it carried out any cyber-intrusions in the United States. Putin called the accusations against Russia by U.S. officials and politicians an attempt to “distract the public’s attention.”

“It doesn’t really matter who hacked this data from Mrs. Clinton’s campaign headquarters,” Putin said in an interview with Bloomberg News, referring to Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton. “The important thing is the content was given to the public.”

Russia has been in the vanguard of a growing global movement to use propaganda on the Internet to influence people and political events, especially since the political revolt in Ukraine, the subsequent annexation of Crimea by Russia, and the imposition of sanctions on Russia by the United States and the European Union.

The Baltic states, Georgia and Ukraine have been subject to Russian cyberattacks and other hidden influence operations meant to disrupt those countries, officials said.

“Our studies show that it is very likely that [the influence] operations are centrally run,” said Janis Sarts, director of the NATO Strategic Communications Center of Excellence, a research organization based in Riga, Latvia.

He also said there is “a coordinated effort involving [groups using] Twitter and Facebook and networks of bots to amplify their message. The main themes seem to be orchestrated rather high up in the hierarchy of the Russian state, and then there are individual endeavors by people to exploit specific themes.”

Sarts said the Russian propaganda effort has been “successful in exploiting the vulnerabilities within societies.” In Western Europe, for instance, such Russian information operations have focused on the

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...c27fa0-7156-11e6-8533-6b0b0ded0253_story.html
 
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Well done", ... Russia?


Some congressional leaders briefed recently by the intelligence agencies on Russian influence operations in Europe, and how they may serve as a template for activities in the United States, were disturbed by what they heard.

After Senate Minority Leader Harry M. Reid (D-Nev.) ended a secure 30-minute phone briefing given by a top intelligence official recently, he was “deeply shaken,” according to an aide who was with Reid when he left the secure room at the FBI’s Las Vegas office.

The Russian government hack of the Democratic National Committee, disclosed by the DNC in June but not yet officially ascribed by the U.S. government to Russia, and the subsequent release of 20,000 hacked DNC emails by WikiLeaks, shocked officials. Cyber analysts traced its digital markings to known Russian government hacking groups.

Russia has denied that it carried out any cyber-intrusions in the United States. Putin called the accusations against Russia by U.S. officials and politicians an attempt to “distract the public’s attention.”

“It doesn’t really matter who hacked this data from Mrs. Clinton’s campaign headquarters,” Putin said in an interview with Bloomberg News, referring to Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton. “The important thing is the content was given to the public.”

Russia has been in the vanguard of a growing global movement to use propaganda on the Internet to influence people and political events, especially since the political revolt in Ukraine, the subsequent annexation of Crimea by Russia, and the imposition of sanctions on Russia by the United States and the European Union.

The Baltic states, Georgia and Ukraine have been subject to Russian cyberattacks and other hidden influence operations meant to disrupt those countries, officials said.

“Our studies show that it is very likely that [the influence] operations are centrally run,” said Janis Sarts, director of the NATO Strategic Communications Center of Excellence, a research organization based in Riga, Latvia.

He also said there is “a coordinated effort involving [groups using] Twitter and Facebook and networks of bots to amplify their message. The main themes seem to be orchestrated rather high up in the hierarchy of the Russian state, and then there are individual endeavors by people to exploit specific themes.”

Sarts said the Russian propaganda effort has been “successful in exploiting the vulnerabilities within societies.” In Western Europe, for instance, such Russian information operations have focused on the

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...c27fa0-7156-11e6-8533-6b0b0ded0253_story.html
I do believe russia has indeed significant advanced capability to indulge in cyber warfare but accusing it of interference in US elections is ridiculous. It looks like some US politicians want to score brownie points by becoming jingoistic.
 
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I do believe russia has indeed significant advanced capability to indulge in cyber warfare but accusing it of interference in US elections is ridiculous. It looks like some US politicians want to score brownie points by becoming jingoistic.
But, in this thread, perhaps some Russian assistance in getting these papers released?
 
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But, in this thread, perhaps some Russian assistance in getting these papers released?

it clearly says it does not implicated russian govt. More ever russians are not the only one , even chinese are far ahead when it comes to cyber attacks. Second thing why would russia even seen itself supporting trump if they want him to win? It would only end up causing more damage to trump in elections.
not yet officially ascribed by the U.S. government to Russia,
 
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