LD-10 can become a game changer for Pakistan air force?

[Windjammer]

LD-10 can become a game changer for Pakistan air force?

- February 03, 2019



The Chinese made LD-10 air-to-surface anti-radiation missile is a variant of the SD-10A BVR air to air missile meant for Suppression of Enemy Air Defenses (SEAD), (similar to Raytheon's High-speed Anti-Radiation Missile (HARM).

The LD-10 retains the overall aerodynamic layout of the SD-10A, but has the active radar seeker of the SD-10A replaced with a new passive radar-homing seeker.

The LD-10 has been designed such as to be retrofitted faster and with minimal modifications to launch platforms, which have been cleared for use with the SD-10A missile. These include the J-8, J-10, J-11 and the JF-17.

The missile has maximum range of 80 km with a 20 kg warhead.

Pakistan air force received first 100 missiles in 2016 and became first foreign customer.

Missile have a capability to destroy air targets like AWACS or a big size aircraft too as well as ground radars.

Due to small size and its less weight, JF17 thunder can carry four LD-10 on its two dual ejectors and can fire two in a time in Su-30mki like aircraft or on SAM installation .
Missile can give hard push to JF thunder in their anti-radar capabilities.

 

[Mrc]

LD-10 can become a game changer for Pakistan air force?

- February 03, 2019



The Chinese made LD-10 air-to-surface anti-radiation missile is a variant of the SD-10A BVR air to air missile meant for Suppression of Enemy Air Defenses (SEAD), (similar to Raytheon's High-speed Anti-Radiation Missile (HARM).

The LD-10 retains the overall aerodynamic layout of the SD-10A, but has the active radar seeker of the SD-10A replaced with a new passive radar-homing seeker.

The LD-10 has been designed such as to be retrofitted faster and with minimal modifications to launch platforms, which have been cleared for use with the SD-10A missile. These include the J-8, J-10, J-11 and the JF-17.

The missile has maximum range of 80 km with a 20 kg warhead.

Pakistan air force received first 100 missiles in 2016 and became first foreign customer.

Missile have a capability to destroy air targets like AWACS or a big size aircraft too as well as ground radars.

Due to small size and its less weight, JF17 thunder can carry four LD-10 on its two dual ejectors and can fire two in a time in Su-30mki like aircraft or on SAM installation .
Missile can give hard push to JF thunder in their anti-radar capabilities.

Range needs to go up a notch to keep launch plateform safe ... But very nice addition

 

[War Thunder]

We already had MAR 1 for the same role and they are better at it.

 

[CriticalThought]

This is awesome! It wouldn't be a bad idea to follow the Russian philosophy

http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-Rus-BVR-AAM.html

and launch multiple types of warheads - anti-radiation, radar homing, and heat seeking. Although 80 km is a good range, but in order to give advantage to Thunder, the range needs to be increased to 100+ km. To contrast, Meteor has 100+ km range.

Also, how does it perform against counter-measures?

We already had MAR 1 for the same role and they are better at it.

MAR-1 is a A2S or S2S missile. OP is talking about A2A role.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MAR-1

 

[Goku-kun]

a little of topic question..
can anybody provide details about the rumours that China is giving its Liaoning aircraft carrier to Pakistan after a major upgrade

 

[Cool_Soldier]

PAF already has SD10 A,
Matching capabilities, INDIA too have.

 

[LKJ86]

This is awesome! It wouldn't be a bad idea to follow the Russian philosophy

http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-Rus-BVR-AAM.html

and launch multiple types of warheads - anti-radiation, radar homing, and heat seeking. Although 80 km is a good range, but in order to give advantage to Thunder, the range needs to be increased to 100+ km. To contrast, Meteor has 100+ km range.

LD-10 is based on SD-10/PL-12.
There would be similar missiles based on PL-15 with the range of about 200km.

 

[Arsalan]

MAR-1 is a A2S or S2S missile. OP is talking about A2A role.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MAR-1

Actually OP talks about SEAD and A2S role only to ADD that it can ALSO be used against bigger airborne targets. Primary role is A2S SEAD.

Plus no need to insult each other guys.
@War Thunder and @CriticalThought
I seems there was just a small confusion.

 

[PDF]

a little of topic question..
can anybody provide details about the rumours that China is giving its Liaoning aircraft carrier to Pakistan after a major upgrade

Fake

 

[Bratva]

LD-10 can become a game changer for Pakistan air force?

- February 03, 2019



The Chinese made LD-10 air-to-surface anti-radiation missile is a variant of the SD-10A BVR air to air missile meant for Suppression of Enemy Air Defenses (SEAD), (similar to Raytheon's High-speed Anti-Radiation Missile (HARM).

The LD-10 retains the overall aerodynamic layout of the SD-10A, but has the active radar seeker of the SD-10A replaced with a new passive radar-homing seeker.

The LD-10 has been designed such as to be retrofitted faster and with minimal modifications to launch platforms, which have been cleared for use with the SD-10A missile. These include the J-8, J-10, J-11 and the JF-17.

The missile has maximum range of 80 km with a 20 kg warhead.

Pakistan air force received first 100 missiles in 2016 and became first foreign customer.

Missile have a capability to destroy air targets like AWACS or a big size aircraft too as well as ground radars.

Due to small size and its less weight, JF17 thunder can carry four LD-10 on its two dual ejectors and can fire two in a time in Su-30mki like aircraft or on SAM installation .
Missile can give hard push to JF thunder in their anti-radar capabilities.

Fake news based on Fake SIPRI data. Pakistan never ordered LD-10 just like Pakistan never ordered KG-300, WMD-7, CM-400AKG and multiple other things SIPRI Mentioned.

Kindly remember, what is shown in the pics and and videos is only what JF-17 has. MAR-1 has not been integrated with JF-17 so far. It was Mirage aircraft only with which it was integrated back in 2014 or 2015. Mecatron official statement is on record PAF asked mecatron to integrate MAR-1 with Mirage only.

Range needs to go up a notch to keep launch plateform safe ... But very nice addition

When there is no LD-10 in PAF inventory, Chinese wont be increasing range of LD-10 either.

 

[CriticalThought]

Actually OP talks about SEAD and A2S role only to ADD that it can ALSO be used against bigger airborne targets. Primary role is A2S SEAD.

Plus no need to insult each other guys.
@War Thunder and @CriticalThought
I seems there was just a small confusion.

Sir, OP is based on a blog of questionable rigor. What can be confirmed from elsewhere on the internet is that LD-10 is based on SD-10, which is a pure A2A missile.

It seems highly suspicious that the exact same missile has been programmed for both A2A and A2S roles. An A2S missile would necessarily need to account for reflection from the ground, whereas A2A needs to consider things like clouds. So unless we get confirmation from authentic source, this aspect should be considered doubtful.

 

[Arsalan]

Sir, OP is based on a blog of questionable rigor. What can be confirmed from elsewhere on the internet is that LD-10 is based on SD-10, which is a pure A2A missile.

It seems highly suspicious that the exact same missile has been programmed for both A2A and A2S roles. An A2S missile would necessarily need to account for reflection from the ground, whereas A2A needs to consider things like clouds. So unless we get confirmation from authentic source, this aspect should be considered doubtful.

Bro LD-10 is reportedly an "Air to Surface anti-radiation missile based on SD-10 A2A missile". The same description also add "It can also be used against BIG air borne targets". Since seeker for both is different, ground cluster or other such factors wont matter (since both have different specially designed seeker with same things considered).

Anyway, the important thing here is that although SIPRI claimed PAF buying 100 LD-10s, there was absolutely no proof or news about it later on. Not sure if we actually acquired these or not.

 

[CriticalThought]

Bro LD-10 is reportedly an "Air to Surface anti-radiation missile based on SD-10 A2A missile". The same description also add "It can also be used against BIG air borne targets". Since seeker for both is different, ground cluster or other such factors wont matter (since both have different specially designed seeker with same things considered).

Anyway, the important thing here is that although SIPRI claimed PAF buying 100 LD-10s, there was absolutely no proof or news about it later on. Not sure if we actually acquired these or not.

Given the close cooperation between us, it is plausible.

BTW, I should also add. The flight characteristics of A2A missiles are completely different to A2S. A2A missiles need to generate lift to remain airborne, whereas A2G would need to pull negative Gs if they are powered by rocket motor. Which is why you see A2G utilize glide profile, or a weight distribution that shifts centre of gravity forward, or only use rocket motor at the very terminal phase. I still remain doubtful about this claim.

 

[Arsalan]

Given the close cooperation between us, it is plausible.

BTW, I should also add. The flight characteristics of A2A missiles are completely different to A2S. A2A missiles need to generate lift to remain airborne, whereas A2G would need to pull negative Gs if they are powered by rocket motor. Which is why you see A2G utilize glide profile, or a weight distribution that shifts centre of gravity forward, or only use rocket motor at the very terminal phase. I still remain doubtful about this claim.

Bro i totally understand and agree with the points you raised, just sharing what the reports claim it to be. Also suggesting that this is what caused the confusion that had you and another member insulting each other so lets jut try and understand why happened and try to avoid it in future.

 

[CriticalThought]

Bro i totally understand and agree with the points you raised, just sharing what the reports claim it to be. Also suggesting that this is what caused the confusion that had you and another member insulting each other so lets jut try and understand why happened and try to avoid it in future.

I wish he had asked me my reasons. I could have explained...