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This is one question (and the following ones) that Gen,. Raheel must be asking all the time,

Why did the precious blood of SSG Col. Islam went to waste

Why Mullah burqa posh is still roaring from the khooni musjid.

Why why why?



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Why? Because an Army can never be an adequate substitute for a properly functioning civilian government. Never.

This article shows us some of the reasons why:

What will we actually do? - Newspaper - DAWN.COM

What will we actually do?
Ashraf Jehangir Qazi

WE have an unmatched instinct for farce especially when we adopt our most grave and serious postures.

Another all-parties conference; a dash to Kabul; a rage of hangings; a 20-point National Action Plan to succeed the still-born Nacta and NISP; a committee for every point of the NAP; subcommittees for every committee; an overall oversight committee led by the prime minister who proclaims zero tolerance; a defining moment; a do-or-die challenge; an unending jihad against jihadis; eternal cooperation with the military which is invited to discharge his responsibilities; military courts of dubious value and still more dubious constitutionality; warrants of arrest against facilitated ‘fararis’ (absconders), etc.

‘Democratic’ political leaders who until recently were locked in mortal combat are now united in complicit support for a ‘soft coup’ and a resurrection of the doctrine of necessity.

The Supreme Court judges realising the gravity of the situation met under the chairmanship of the chief justice to assess how the prosecution of those accused of terrorism could be prioritised and completed expeditiously.

The credibility of our counterterrorism commitment will need to manifest itself in our foreign policy

They have, accordingly, agreed on an eight-point plan. Their plan has been summarily shoved aside by the 20-point plan. So much for the rule of law! Will the Supreme Court now accept amendments to the Constitution that are against its ‘basic structure’ and clear intent and purpose? The superior judiciary is not incompetent. It has been impeded by those who would now supersede it.

There has been no collective and public (civil and military) leadership apology to the bereaved families and the nation. No acknowledgement of responsibility — indeed guilt — for bringing about a state of affairs in the country that directly and indirectly made the atrocity possible, if not likely. How can anyone say ‘this is a watershed moment’ or ‘we have at last turned the corner’? Our 9/11, no less, have been so many self-inflicted tragedies in our short history including the fall of Dhaka, military surrender and the break-up of the country. There has been the loss of the Siachen Glacier and the fiasco of Kargil. There has been the intermittent war in Balochistan over decades. There were unprincipled deals ceding control in a number of Fata areas to dangerous militants.

These militants have become today’s monsters responsible for the school atrocity and murder and mayhem of every kind in Pakistan. There has been Abbottabad leading to national humiliation and isolation abroad.

Have we responded to all this criminal impunity with a greater concern for national security, governance and leadership? Why, or rather how will it be any different this time? Well, because enough is enough! Our cup of patience runneth over! The leopard will at last change its spots. Inshallah! Indeed, we have a plan for it. Mashallah!

We know the history of inquiry commissions in Pakistan. Even so, why has our suddenly ‘united’ civil and military leadership not immediately sought to ‘break the mould’ by establishing a genuinely independent, repeat independent, and competent commission to inquire into all aspects of how Dec 16 came to pass?

Such an inquiry should, needless to say, seek to ascertain who bore the greatest responsibility for the political and security milieu, as well as the specific lead-up circumstances including lapses, that resulted in the tragedy. It should make a meaningful and comprehensive set of concise, relevant and mutually reinforcing policy recommendations that are continuously monitored and reported upon to the nation on a weekly basis by our ‘born-again’ leadership.

Counterterrorism in Pakistan has to be part and parcel of a comprehensive state and, indeed, societal transformation process. Yes, this is a longer term effort. But given our truly rotten circumstances, unless our action plan is embedded in a simultaneous commencement of this longer-term and much bigger project, it will lose direction, momentum and credibility very rapidly.

Solemn assurances to the contrary are rhetorical and meaningless because outside this broader transformation context they cannot be credible. This credibility of our counterterrorism commitment will also need to manifest itself in our foreign policy.

Take Afghanistan. Unless we deny the Afghan Taliban and their various cohorts and networks safe havens, sanctuaries and cross-border supply routes on our territory, how do we expect our commitments to President Ashraf Ghani and his government to be taken seriously? How would we play an acceptable role in a peacemaking and political reconciliation process in Afghanistan if the government in Kabul has grave reservations about our reliability as a partner?

If the Afghan Taliban in Afghanistan are viable inside Afghanistan without our assistance we can still play a constructive role in facilitating reconciliation without seeking to use them as a check on India’s influence. If a terror-prone Afghan Taliban once again takes over Afghanistan, with or without our deniable assistance, it will be the TTP and not us who will gain ‘strategic depth’.

Take India. We need to have a predictable working relationship with it despite our continuing and significant differences on Kashmir and other issues. We will need to develop and implement modalities for managing our differences on Kashmir and building essential bilateral and regional cooperation to confront the challenges of the 21st century.

A state of ‘no war, no peace’ with a neighbour several times our size provides no context in which to pursue counterterrorism policies against organisations we have been prone to use as ‘proxies’, and which have done us no end of harm diplomatically and domestically.

Unless we radically rethink our external policy strategies how will we develop a credible counterterrorism policy and transform our economy and society? There is no indication of any of this in the national action plan. Will we finally do what we say and dismantle the whole infrastructure of terror inside Pakistan? Will we begin to rationalise our India and Afghanistan policies and come across as credible to ourselves and the international community?

In memory of our lost angels:

You were the faces of tomorrow
Our living dreams of today.
May you help transcend our sorrow
May you abide and show the way.


The writer is a former ambassador to the US, India and China and head of UN missions in Iraq and Sudan.

Published in Dawn, December 30th, 2014
 
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This is one question (and the following ones) that Gen,. Raheel must be asking all the time,

Why did the precious blood of SSG Col. Islam went to waste

Why Mullah burqa posh is still roaring from the khooni musjid.

Why why why?



@Slav Defence, @Luftwaffe, @WebMaster, @Jungibaaz, @jaibi, @notsuperstitious, @Azlan Haider, @ajpirzada, @DESERT FIGHTER,
@AgNoStiC MuSliM, @Jazzbot, @Jf Thunder, @Hyperion, @JonAsad, @Nihonjin1051, @cirr, @Cherokee @Donatello, @Genesis, @Bamxa, @SarthakGanguly, @Cat Shannon, @Butchcassidy, @Norwegian, @Mr.UTurn, @GreenFalcon, @Syed.Ali.Haider,


@Joe Shearer, @scorpionx, @Irfan Baloch, @orangzaib, @jhungary, @Xeric, @Icarus, @CENTCOM
the operation was apologetic and the possibility of gaining anything from the outcome of the operation was handed over to the anti Musharraf group
first the lawyers and Nawaz league put their weight in favor of the Lal Masjid thugs and then the general population feasted on the false propaganda from Lal Masjid administration as if it was wedding food.

if he had conducted the operation like the Saudis conducted the Grand Mosque operation then this Burqa molvi would have been dead for years now and wont have been mocking and bullying the state of Pakistan

but that was then and its now. its been how many years? over 4 years now. we have had time to dismantle this terror den and put the thugs behind bars who made Osama library who make videos announcing their allegiance to ISIS, who threaten the state of Pakistan with 500 female suicide bombers, who have sectarian terrorists as their supporting crowd.

former chief and current chief also have been reluctant and afraid due to the backlash.
the cause was half arsed attempt originally and and NONE at all till to date by the military and civilian leadership
 
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the operation was apologetic and the possibility of gaining anything from the outcome of the operation was handed over to the anti Musharraf group
first the lawyers and Nawaz league put their weight in favor of the Lal Masjid thugs and then the general population feasted on the false propaganda from Lal Masjid administration as if it was wedding food.

if he had conducted the operation like the Saudis conducted the Grand Mosque operation then this Burqa molvi would have been dead for years now and wont have been mocking and bullying the state of Pakistan

but that was then and its now. its been how many years? over 4 years now. we have had time to dismantle this terror den and put the thugs behind bars who made Osama library who make videos announcing their allegiance to ISIS, who threaten the state of Pakistan with 500 female suicide bombers, who have sectarian terrorists as their supporting crowd.

former chief and current chief also have been reluctant and afraid due to the backlash.
the cause was half arsed attempt originally and and NONE at all till to date by the military and civilian leadership


bro

you are a patriot to the core. And no I am not issuing fatwas as who is patriot and who isn't.

Each one of us proves one way or the other by supporting either Islmists terrorists or the pro-Pakistan forces.


Coming back to the question

you say it well

So If I say this,

mush failed because he lacked civilian support.

Would that be correct?
 
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bro

you are a patriot to the core. And no I am not issuing fatwas as who is patriot and who isn't.

Each one of us proves one way or the other by supporting either Islmists terrorists or the pro-Pakistan forces.


Coming back to the question

you say it well

So If say this,

mush failed because he lacked civilian support.

Would that be correct?

We can extend your statement: EVERY dictator eventually fails because of the lack of the legitimacy afforded by proper and legal civilian support of the people. Always.
 
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the operation was apologetic and the possibility of gaining anything from the outcome of the operation was handed over to the anti Musharraf group
first the lawyers and Nawaz league put their weight in favor of the Lal Masjid thugs and then the general population feasted on the false propaganda from Lal Masjid administration as if it was wedding food.

if he had conducted the operation like the Saudis conducted the Grand Mosque operation then this Burqa molvi would have been dead for years now and wont have been mocking and bullying the state of Pakistan

but that was then and its now. its been how many years? over 4 years now. we have had time to dismantle this terror den and put the thugs behind bars who made Osama library who make videos announcing their allegiance to ISIS, who threaten the state of Pakistan with 500 female suicide bombers, who have sectarian terrorists as their supporting crowd.

former chief and current chief also have been reluctant and afraid due to the backlash.
the cause was half arsed attempt originally and and NONE at all till to date by the military and civilian leadership


U have a valid point but I think Mullah Burqa has more value being alive than being dead, as per Punjabi saying
Jyonda kakh da te moya sava lakh da
Remember the state of Pakistan has no narrative at all & it isn't much interested in having one,
This guy generates huge amount of revulsion among normal people of Pakistan & exposes the nascent face of radicalisation in Pakistan to semi idiots.
While the absolute idiots rally around this Biggot.
I tend to see mullah burqa as a sort of infra red search light.
 
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Very misleading title, Gen. Musharraf did not fail. Lal Masjid ops was successful but it was turned into worse nightmare for the people by journalists like Hamid Mir & media channels like GEO. The successful ops was given another blow by corrupt judge dajjal Chaudhry who freed all the arrested rented terrorists including fake mullah burqa, also corrupt & incompetent politicians took full advantage of the propaganda lies & used it to their advantage all the way.

In Col. Imams assassination Hamid Mir is directly involved as all the evidence was provided by deceased's son of Mir's involvement.
 
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bro

you are a patriot to the core. And no I am not issuing fatwas as who is patriot and who isn't.

Each one of us proves one way or the other by supporting either Islmists terrorists or the pro-Pakistan forces.


Coming back to the question

you say it well

So If say this,

mush failed because he lacked civilian support.

Would that be correct?
Civilian rule of the forces brought by military ?
I mean nawaz Sharif & Mr Bhutto?
Need to check the meaning of civilian rule in pakistan,s landlord bassed society ?
Anyway operation was succsesfull at the military level but was propagated as failure by the forces.
who has looted your country by getting the power to rule the poor civilians .
on the shoulders of the same military which they conspirated to get back their croupted rule even taking up sides with known terrorists.
Who was crying in your Parliament when HAKEEM ALLHA MEHSOOD was droned ?
Your current civilian interroir minster ?
who came into politics because his father,s institutional assistance to a dictator?
Mr Zia hull haq !
 
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This is one question (and the following ones) that Gen,. Raheel must be asking all the time,

Why did the precious blood of SSG Col. Islam went to waste

Why Mullah burqa posh is still roaring from the khooni musjid.

Why why why?



@Slav Defence, @Luftwaffe, @WebMaster, @Jungibaaz, @jaibi, @notsuperstitious, @Azlan Haider, @ajpirzada, @DESERT FIGHTER,
@AgNoStiC MuSliM, @Jazzbot, @Jf Thunder, @Hyperion, @JonAsad, @Nihonjin1051, @cirr, @Cherokee @Donatello, @Genesis, @Bamxa, @SarthakGanguly, @Cat Shannon, @Butchcassidy, @Norwegian, @Mr.UTurn, @GreenFalcon, @Syed.Ali.Haider,


@Joe Shearer, @scorpionx, @Irfan Baloch, @orangzaib, @jhungary, @Xeric, @Icarus, @CENTCOM



I think, in a way it helped people realize how right Mushy was and how wrong all of those were who opposed this Lal Mosque operation. Idiots are doing trial of Mushy for Lal Mosque operation, wonder what those idiots would be thinking today after seeing Molvi Burqa doing belly dance in favor of TTP and ISIS?

Anyways, this fake molvi needs to be terminated asap.
 
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Attack on mulla Aziz will be considered as attack on Allah ( nauzubillah ) :hitwall: that is the thinking of our Jahil madarsas Champions , the only reason i would be angry with mushi is why he let anyone on get alive in lal-masjid, that incident was going to be used against him and Pakistan as a excuse for starting of Suicide attacks ,so why not he took the liberty to kill each an every jihadi lover bastard or bitch who are threatening daily to conduct fidayen attack , they want heaven , its time to arrange transport for them ..
 
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The only one more laanati than the Mullah Abdul Aziz are the people who send their children to this madrassah. A good education is a thing every parent owes his/her children, but so many shameless !@#$s live in this country.
 
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Attack on mulla Aziz will be considered as attack on Allah ( nauzubillah ) :hitwall: that is the thinking of our Jahil madarsas Champions , the only reason i would be angry with mushi is why he let anyone on get alive in lal-masjid, that incident was going to be used against him and Pakistan as a excuse for starting of Suicide attacks ,so why not he took the liberty to kill each an every jihadi lover bastard or bitch who are threatening daily to conduct fidayen attack , they want heaven , its time to arrange transport for them ..

The real question now is, why is the military still silent after this ******* refused to condemn the attack in Peshawar and even more so when he refused to acknowledge the martyrs as martyrs, he refused to accept those small kids as martyrs who were in school to get an education as per command of Islam.

If the military conducts 1 more operation, in disguise of local police, against the real terrorists such as these people who provide moral support openly and most likely provide logistical, financial, residential support as well to the terrorists then they will gain a lot more respect. But this time, they need to make sure that nobody gets any quarter and that there are no prisoners and no survivors.
 
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The real question now is, why is the military still silent after this ******* refused to condemn the attack in Peshawar and even more so when he refused to acknowledge the martyrs as martyrs, he refused to accept those small kids as martyrs who were in school to get an education as per command of Islam.

If the military conducts 1 more operation, in disguise of local police, against the real terrorists such as these people who provide moral support openly and most likely provide logistical, financial, residential support as well to the terrorists then they will gain a lot more respect. But this time, they need to make sure that nobody gets any quarter and that there are no prisoners and no survivors.

you are not understanding the situation , army is already fighting them on multiple fronts, and any action against lal masjid will trigger an other war , but this it will in our cities , there are many peoples who still think that madarsas and masjid are immune to any inspection by paramilitary force , when police go inside to search , the peoples start should and present it as attack on Islam , and there are many journalist and judges who are in their pockets ..
 
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I have a theory that musharraf wanted to secularize Pakistan to an extent and the ISI and or some of the crore commander were against it.

The decision that make me believe the first part is the decision to appoint a Hindu CJP and to attack lal masjid among others.

The second part I believe is due to the quick overthrow of musharraf and the most importantly the lack of intelligence about lal masjid before the op. SSG being the unit of mushy would remain loyal to him.

If I am not wrong lal masjid is close to isi HQ location, no question has been asked about the lack of intelligence and no heads have rolled after the op, so either the ssg didn't ask for Intel or it was not given to them.

Was lal masjid mullah considered an asset before the op? Why no action against isi people who should have given Intel about the arms and people present in the mosque?
 
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I have a theory that musharraf wanted to secularize Pakistan to an extent and the ISI and or some of the crore commander were against it.

The decision that make me believe the first part is the decision to appoint a Hindu CJP and to attack lal masjid among others.

The second part I believe is due to the quick overthrow of musharraf and the most importantly the lack of intelligence about lal masjid before the op. SSG being the unit of mushy would remain loyal to him.

If I am not wrong lal masjid is close to isi HQ location, no question has been asked about the lack of intelligence and no heads have rolled after the op, so either the ssg didn't ask for Intel or it was not given to them.

Was lal masjid mullah considered an asset before the op? Why no action against isi people who should have given Intel about the arms and people present in the mosque?

bad analysis, wrong medicine
 
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