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Korea as Number One | Prestowitz

Korea as Number One
Posted By Clyde Prestowitz Thursday, June 7, 2012 - 9:01 PM

In 1979, Harvard professor Ezra Vogel's book, Japan As Number One, became a runaway best seller in both Japan and the United States. After a swing through Asia the past two weeks, it's clear to me that Ezra needs to do a rewrite with a new title: Korea as Number One.

The South Koreans have long been confident that anything the Japanese can do, they can do better, but now they're proving it. In the 1970s-80s, the likes of Sony, Panasonic, Sharp, Toshiba, Hitache, NEC, and Fujitsu killed off RCA, Motorola, and the rest of the American consumer electronics industry and came close to killing off Intel and closing down the U.S. semiconductor industry from which Silicon Valley takes its name. Yet, today, it's the Japanese who are on the ropes as the likes of Samsung, LG, and Hynix have seized the high ground. Whereas Sony used to be the king of TV, now it's Samsung. Developed initially in the United States in response to military needs, the market for flat panel electronic displays was quickly taken over by the Japanese who out-invested the American producers and whose dominance of television and then of VCR production gave them an in-house source of demand for mass production and its related economies of scale.

Well, in the past month, both of Japan's main chip makers (Elpida and Renasas) have declared bankruptcy while leading flat panel maker Sharp is selling off pieces of itself to Taiwan's HonHai. Rudely pushing the Japanese aside are South Korea's Samsung, LG, and Hynix. Nor, is it only and electronics phenomenon. In the auto industry South Korea's Hyundai/Kia Motors is gobbling up market share in the U.S., European, Chinese, Indian, and Southeast Asian markets at the expense of the Japanese producers. The same goes for shipbuilding and even soap operas where the Korean shows are even all the rage in Japan. Perhaps most telling is the fact that South Korea's GDP per capita is now about 90 percent of Japan's and appears to be on track to surpass Japan's in the next couple of years.

To achieve all this, the Koreans have used a well known, tried and true formula. For starters, they have worked like crazy, saved like crazy, and invested like crazy. At the same time, like the Japanese, they have rejected American ideas and advice about specializing only in what they do best and trading for the rest. Rather, they have concentrated on developing world class capabilities where before they had none. They did this by protecting and subsidizing in various ways new, infant industries like steel, consumer electronics, and semiconductors. But they also knew their own market was not big enough to yield the necessary economies of scale. So they have had to focus on exports and become competitive in global markets by keeping their currency, the won, somewhat under-valued and by often selling abroad at prices below their own domestic prices. The most successful Korean companies are either those like steel maker Posco that was founded with government investment or those like Samsung that are giant family dominated conglomerates with extensive special relationships with the government and monopoly or quasi -monopoly positions in many interlocking industries and technologies.

This is, of course, the classic Japanese formula. It is the formula Lee Kuan Yew of Singapore had in mind when the advised his countrymen to "look East" for a model to imitate for their own development. It really works, and the Koreans are again proving that anything that works for the Japanese can be made to work better by Koreans.

Talk of the Day -- South Korea no longer sees Taiwan as rival - CNA ENGLISH NEWS

Talk of the Day -- South Korea no longer sees Taiwan as rival
2012/05/29 19:37:31

South Korean media have reported that from June, the country's per capita GDP will surpass US$20,000 and its population will exceed 50 million, making it the seventh full member of the "20-50 Club" of developed countries.

While Taiwanese still think of South Korea as a member of four "Asian Dragons," South Koreans have long given up the idea that they need to compete with the other Asian Dragons -- Taiwan, Singapore and Hong Kong.

South Korea is now competing with Japan and Europe, and Taiwan is no longer even on its list of rivals, according to the United Daily News, a major Taiwanese daily.


Below are excerpts from the daily's reports on South Korea's advancement and Taiwan's response to the latest developments:

South Korea's per capita GDP surpassed Taiwan's in 2004. In 2011, it was US$22,480, compared with Taiwan's US$20,139. The International Monetary Fund forecast that the average South Korean annual income will top US$30,000 in 2016. A longer term forecast puts it at US$65,000 by 2050.

Taiwanese love to see South Koreans as an economic rival. However, a visit to Seoul will tell you that South Koreans have long quit mentioning the term "Asia's Four Dragons," as they no longer see Taiwan as a rival but are competing with Japan.

Regarding Taiwan, South Korean academics were interested only when reporters from this newspaper talked about the Economic Cooperation Framework Agreement (ECFA) between Taiwan and China.

One South Korean expert on industry said that Taiwan and South Korea went on different paths in the wake of the 1998 Asian financial crisis, with Taiwan focusing on contract manufacturing while South Korea concentrated on developing its own brands.

Although the expert made remarks that the economies of Taiwan and South Korea supplement each other, he was actually hinting that Taiwan and South Korean cooperation will follow the mode of the economic relationship between Taiwan and Japan.

In Taiwan, Economic Planning and Development Minister Yiin Chii-ming said Taiwan does not have to follow the same path as South Korea.

One thing I might add is that Koreans do not see China as a rival either. Like Taiwan, Chinese do not have what it takes to challenge Koreans in high-value market segment.
 
No. South Korea can't launch a satellite. South Korea has failed twice in a row.

I should also point out South Koreans were cheating with Russian rocket engines (just like those cheating Indians with Russian cryogenic engines). If South Korea or India had to build its own rocket engines, it would take you guys many more decades before you could even attempt a heavy-lift satellite launch.

If South Korea or India ever successfully launches an "indigenous" heavy-lift rocket, I'm going to put an asterisk next to your achievement. The footnote will say: "Russian Cryogenic Engine (the most difficult technological part of the rocket)."

Korea isn't bad, but it's not number one by a long shot. You make some nice tvs and phones, but that's about it.

If you disagree with me, I'll start mentioning Chinese supercomputer Tianhe-1, Chinese Type 093 nuclear submarine, Chinese DFH-4 10,000-pound 54-transponders-maximum communication satellite, etc.

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In an objective comparison, South Korea scores a ZERO on China's following list of technological accomplishments.

Actually, I might have to give you two points. South Korea cloned a dog (e.g. uncertain whether disgraced South Korean scientist copied or faked his dog cloning data) and built its own main battle tank (e.g. not sure whether American technology was incorporated into South Korean tank through licensing).


China's Technological Accomplishments - Timeline


1964: China detonated a 22-kiloton atomic bomb during the Mao Zedong administration.

1967: China detonated a 3.3-megaton thermonuclear bomb that was designed with abacus calculations.

1971: China launched its first DF-5 ICBM.

1984: China built its first cryogenic YF-73 rocket engine.

1995: China test-detonates kiloton Neutron Bomb

1998: Chinese J-10 Vigorous Dragon had its first flight. Officially unveiled in 2007.

2000: Chinese JSTARS Tu-154M/D Electronic Intelligence Aircraft in service (e.g. Careless B-4138).

2001: Chinese Type 99 Main Battle Tank in service.

2002: China's Type 093 Shang-class nuclear attack submarine (SSN) is launched.

2003: China sends its first taikonaut Yang Liwei into space.
2003: China's KJ-2000 AWACS with domestic AESA radar has its first flight.

2005: China's Type 052C Lanzhou-class AESA-equipped destroyer entered service.

2006: China's WS-10A turbofan engine certified for production.

2007: China clones world's first rabbit.
2007: Chinese direct-ascent ASAT shoots down orbiting satellite.
2007: Chinese DF-31A MIRVed ICBM in service.

2008: China conducts its first spacewalk with taikonaut Zhai Zhigang.

2009: Chinese H-6K "God of War" bomber in service.

2010: China builds world's-fastest supercomputer Tianhe-1A.
2010: Chinese GBI (i.e. ground based interceptor) shoots down a ballistic missile during mid-course phase.
2010: Chinese WZ-10 Attack Helicopter in service.
2010: Chinese Type 094 Jin-class nuclear missile ballistic submarine (SSBN) in service.

2011: China unveiled the J-20 Mighty Dragon stealth superfighter.

[Note: I will update this list as new weapon systems enter service. For example, China's Type 095 nuclear attack submarine is expected to enter service in 2015. Also, China's DF-41 10-MIRVed ICBM may have already entered service. However, we are waiting for an official unveiling.]
 
In an objective comparison, South Korea scores a ZERO on China's following list of technological accomplishments.
Given the fact that there are 10 billion more Chinese than Koreans, it is not very fair to compare the two countries. Based on per capita terms, Korea scores higher points on science and many other issues than China.
 
No. South Korea can't launch a satellite. South Korea has failed twice in a row.

I should also point out South Koreans were cheating with Russian rocket engines (just like those cheating Indians with Russian cryogenic engines). If South Korea or India had to build its own rocket engines, it would take you guys many more decades before you could even attempt a heavy-lift satellite launch.

If South Korea or India ever successfully launches an "indigenous" heavy-lift rocket, I'm going to put an asterisk next to your achievement. The footnote will say: "Russian Cryogenic Engine (the most difficult technological part of the rocket)."

Korea isn't bad, but it's not number one by a long shot. You make some nice tvs and phones, but that's about it.
Utter bullsh1t. Cannot is not the same thing as will not. For the South Koreans and anyone else, the 'will not' is a matter of priority and finance, not a matter of ability. The fact is that South Korea have a better semicon industry than China can be used to argue against China in the same industry in the same absurdity as well.

If you disagree with me, I'll start mentioning Chinese supercomputer Tianhe-1, Chinese Type 093 nuclear submarine, Chinese DFH-4 10,000-pound 54-transponders-maximum communication satellite, etc.
Sure, and we can use the US in the same vein for China. Look how far behind is China to the US. Our Space Shuttle is retired due to work and old age, China got anything similar? No? Then China CANNOT make something like the Space Shuttle.
 
Sure, and we can use the US in the same vein for China. Look how far behind is China to the US. Our Space Shuttle is retired due to work and old age, China got anything similar? No? Then China CANNOT make something like the Space Shuttle.

Your analysis is correct. Look at my previous posts in other threads. I've always said, "U.S. is number one and China is a strong number two."

Don't try to defend the delusional Korean. He's nuts and you know it.
 
Given the fact that there are 10 billion more Chinese than Koreans, it is not very fair to compare the two countries. Based on per capita terms, Korea scores higher points on science and many other issues than China.

China doesnt have that many people than S Korea.

S Korea is a toady state of usa they can have privy to gain access to materials on an academic / scientific level I think!

There are many other things that China despite of the largest country excels over S Korea,

Per Capita comparison is silly If the comparison is based on academic population that will be more realistic!
 
Your analysis is correct. Look at my previous posts in other threads. I've always said, "U.S. is number one and China is a strong number two."

Don't try to defend the delusional Korean.
No need to 'defend'. Am just trying to use the same tactic as you. There are many areas that South Korea is superior to China, my own semicon industry is one of them. The fact that China have a processor can be argue as a fluke, an instance of achievement, not in-depth industrial and institutional foundation like how South Korea's is.
 
No need to 'defend'. Am just trying to use the same tactic as you. There are many areas that South Korea is superior to China, my own semicon industry is one of them. The fact that China have a processor can be argue as a fluke, an instance of achievement, not in-depth industrial and institutional foundation like how South Korea's is.

Oh, please! You're just anti-Chinese and you automatically support these anti-Chinese nuts.

China has the Godson microprocessor and other indigenous processors. South Koreans don't have their own design. Samsung just make chips for tvs and phones. It is ridiculous to claim South Korea is ahead of China in the semiconductor industry.

South Koreans stamping out tv and phone chips are vastly inferior to Chinese microprocessor design and construction of Chinese Tianhe-1 supercomputer.
 
Sure, and we can use the US in the same vein for China. Look how far behind is China to the US. Our Space Shuttle is retired due to work and old age, China got anything similar? No? Then China CANNOT make something like the Space Shuttle.

why should we following a path that someone has long forsaken, stupid?

Come back one year later and let us cross check one another's progress. and do it once every year!
Now US is ahead doesnt mean us will be ahead forever!
 
No need to 'defend'. Am just trying to use the same tactic as you. There are many areas that South Korea is superior to China, my own semicon industry is one of them. The fact that China have a processor can be argue as a fluke, an instance of achievement, not in-depth industrial and institutional foundation like how South Korea's is.

list out all the industries then let us check it out one by one before your cheerleading for s koreans!
 
Oh, please! You're just anti-Chinese and you automatically support these anti-Chinese nuts.

China has the Godson microprocessor and other indigenous processors. South Koreans don't have their own design. Samsung just make chips for tvs and phones. It is ridiculous to claim South Korea is ahead of China in the semiconductor industry.

South Koreans stamping out tv and phone chips are vastly inferior to Chinese microprocessor design and construction of Chinese Tianhe-1 supercomputer.
Samsung's processor is in countless devices, including Apple's products. The only processor China have so far is one for narrow use. Samsung is the world's leader in memory products. China is not. Finally, the fact that China does not have a reusable space vehicle, by your own 'logic', China CANNOT make such a vehicle. You dug this hole. So much for 'high Chinese IQ'.
 
Samsung's processor is in countless devices, including Apple's products. The only processor China have so far is one for narrow use. Samsung is the world's leader in memory products. China is not. Finally, the fact that China does not have a reusable space vehicle, by your own 'logic', China CANNOT make such a vehicle. You dug this hole. So much for 'high Chinese IQ'.

Since you insist, I will show you my high IQ.

The United States canceled the Space Shuttle, because the design is flawed. It blew up at least twice and killed many astronauts. The Space Shuttle is a crappy design, because each heat tile has to be individually inspected after every flight. Damaged tiles have to be replaced with a custom-machined tile.

Furthermore, the Space Shuttle is extremely expensive with per-launch cost of $1 billion or more. On the other hand, each Chinese Long March launch is only $60 million.

We know the Space Shuttle is a dead-end design, because the United States did not build a successor to the Space Shuttle.

In conclusion, the Space Shuttle is a dead dinosaur and the Chinese would have to be crazy to replicate a proven faulty design.
 
Since you insist, I will show you my high IQ.

The United States canceled the Space Shuttle, because the design is flawed. It blew up at least twice and killed many astronauts. The Space Shuttle is a crappy design, because each heat tile has to be individually inspected and replaced with a tailor-machined tile. Furthermore, the Space Shuttle is extremely expensive with per-launch cost of $1 billion or more. On the other hand, each Chinese Long March launch is only $60 million.

Finally, we know the Space Shuttle is a dead-end design, because the United States did not have a successor to the Space Shuttle.

In conclusion, the Space Shuttle is a dead dinosaur and the Chinese would have to be crazy to replicate a proven faulty design.
Yeah...I can that 'high Chinese IQ' all right.

The Space Shuttle was the world's first reusable space vehicle. By your own argument, EVERY first generation ship, aircraft, and automobile was cancelled because those 'firsts' were flawed and killed people. I guess we can call those Chinese drywall that ruined houses and made people sick...
 
Yeah...I can that 'high Chinese IQ' all right.

The Space Shuttle was the world's first reusable space vehicle. By your own argument, EVERY first generation ship, aircraft, and automobile was cancelled because those 'firsts' were flawed and killed people. I guess we can call those Chinese drywall that ruined houses and made people sick...

Very weak retort. I'm disappointed in you. I'll give you one point out of a possible five.
 

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