King Abdullah of Jordan warns of “massive conflict” if Israel proceeds with annexation

[ArabianEmpires&Caliphates]

Says the guy who thinks every Middle eastern is an Arab because they carry same haplogroup, lol.

You are completely clueless and you were exposed as a clueless foreigner in my interaction with you in this thread for everyone to see. Now you are inventing lies out of nowhere and inventing empty claims that I have never wrote. Stick to your artificial creation (India), one of the most diverse regions of the world, and stick to pathetically claiming that Pakistanis and Indians are the same when everything points to the opposite.

You have still not dared to mention what your ethnicity is or where you are from in India. Just another of the recent false-flaggers on PDF.

In ME (and even in South Asia), religion trumps ethnic affiliations, otherwise why the Mizrahi Jews were expelled in first place? Ben Gurion was interested in an "Ashkenazi only" state initially.

No, it does not. Arab Christians identify with an Arab identity in Jordan, Syria, Palestine and Iraq. They are ethnic Arabs as well. There are Christian Arabs of a Bedouins stock even in Jordan. Copts identify with Egyptians as well and not as some separate entity devoid of any connection to other Egyptians or Egypt.

Some of the most well-known and influential political pan-Arabists in the Arab world were Christian Arabs. Some of the most respected Palestinian freedom fighters were Christians as well.

Some of the most respected pre-Islamic Arab poets and historical figures, kings, male and female monarchs alike, were Christian Arabs.

Christianity and Judaism are native and fellow Abrahamic (Semitic) religions native to the Arab world. They are not considered as "foreign" religions by Arabs. Those minorities were never harmed historically and always lived peacefully under various Arab Islamic governments overall. The decrease in numbers is due to lower fertility rates and RECENT conflicts that were imposed on the region from the outside, take the successive mess in Iraq in the past many decades.

Arab Christians in stable countries such as Jordan don't face those challenges. Nor Christians in Palestine.

And there is something called a religious identity and an ethnic identity. National identity. Family/clan/tribal identity. Identity based on your profession. Political views.

Only simpletons that have no clue about this region, people like you, no offense, will make absurd claims of religion being the sole identity marker of the Middle East. If that was the case we would all live in one single national state.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

30 year Syrian occupation of Lebanon.

Alawi dictator dictating terms to Lebanese, what fault is it of Sunni Muslims?

 

[ArabianEmpires&Caliphates]

I suggest you read a little more around the concept of "Greater Israel". Whether they have such designs in mind or not is not something I am privy to, however to claim they have no territorial claims outright is rather naive. As for the latter part of your comment, numbers do not guarantee anything.

Ok, can you enlighten me about their territorial claims in KSA, which supposedly covers the majority of that made up map? Or that of half of Iraq? Or that of the entire Sham? That of Southeastern Turkey. That of Southwestern Iran? What is their historical claims to practically all of Northern KSA (the size of Sham combined almost) and in which Jewish/Israeli literature are those clams mentioned/propagandized? Have Israeli politicians ever claimed those territories?

In short on what basis is that map made?

Numbers are very relevant here. Israeli Jews are already outnumbered (if they annex Palestine completely) and you talk about annexing Jordan with 10-15 million more Arabs? It is laughable talk. Israel can barely control besieged Palestinians armed with stones in Palestine.

 

[Naofumi]

Your civilization is centered on the Ganges, not Indus. Why are you so dismissive of your own holiest of rivers?

My holiest river???? Look, I don't give a damn about this, I was simply perplexed about your revisionism but if you insist then let it be so.

Those minorities were never harmed historically and always lived peacefully under various Arab Islamic governments overall.

No offense but there have been tons of scholarship about persecution of minorities in ME since at least medieval periods, should I name the books and authors for you to broaden your horizons?

You are completely clueless and you were exposed as a clueless foreigner in my interaction with you in this thread for everyone to see. Now you are inventing lies out of nowhere and inventing empty claims that I have never wrote. Stick to your artificial creation (India), one of the most diverse regions of the world, and stick to pathetically claiming that Pakistanis and Indians are the same when everything points to the opposite.

Can you see the irony here?

You have still not dared to mention what your ethnicity is or where you are from in India. Just another of the recent false-flaggers on PDF.

My origins are from Old city of Delhi from Ballimaran.

 

[Cliftonite]

Another professor of "Arab affairs" on PDF. @camelguy @Gomig-21 @Falcon29

You have zero clue about this topic and what you have written is pure nonsense. I don't bother picking it apart, as I will be wasting my time most likely.

I don't bother arguing with pan Arab nationalists either. Last I had a discussion with one, the topic led to Saad Lamjarred's multiple rape charges and the Arab nationalist started protesting that it's all a conspiracy to malign the first Arab superstar by some dumb French wh*res. Of course.

 

[ArabianEmpires&Caliphates]

No offense but there have been tons of scholarship about persecution of minorities in ME since at least medieval periods, should I name the books and author for you for you to broaden your horizons?

Can you see the irony here?

My origins are from Old city of Delhi from Ballimaran.

Can you mention a single area of the world where there have not been some form of persecution? I don't need to tell you about the reality that you live in do I? The incredibly backward caste system says hello. You are a supposed Indian Muslim. Maybe you should educate the readers on PDF about the struggles of the average Indian Muslim under Modi. How many street lynchings and rapes occurred today?

The Middle East has always been a very tolerant region (compared to other regions of the world) hence why the world's most ancient minorities have survived to this day as well as their holy sites and institutions. Take the Arab Jews that now form 2/3's of all Israeli Jews. They emerged in Israel from Arab lands. What does that show? While Jews were supposedly (in the millions) mass-murdered in Europe next door, Arab Jews were living peacefully. The creation of Israel and subsequent events changed that but even to this day you have small Jewish minorities in Arab countries.

And what is your ethnicity and family background? Being from Delhi equals saying that I am from NYC. I could be anything.

I don't bother arguing with pan Arab nationalists either. Last I had a discussion with one, the topic led to Saad Lamjarred's multiple rape charges and the Arab nationalist started protesting that it's all a conspiracy to malign the first Arab superstar by some dumb French wh*res. Of course.

I don't care about your drivel, Mr. Professor of Arab affairs that cannot count to 10 in Arabic. Saad is a great, successful and respected musician.

 

[Trango Towers]

Which genuine effective Muslim leadership exists anywhere in the world currently? Kashmir? Rohingya? Uyghur's? Palestinians? Chechens? List is endless. Muslim leaders are fighting each other internally and externally. From Indonesia to Morocco.

The whole prospect of Israel annexing the West Bank and Gaza is an oxymoron. Israel would cease to have a Jewish majority if such a thing occurred and who is going to provide for those millions of Palestinians who want nothing to do with Israel? This apartheid system can only work so long. The best solution for both parties is a two-state solution, there is no other way around this. Either that or some joint Israeli-Palestinian federation where both Israelis and Palestinians have equal rights and there is free movement of people and Israelis and Palestinians can settle everywhere where they want in that new state. I consider the last option very unrealistic as of today.

I san safely say this is the best post you have written. Its shows balance and finallybthinkinv out of the box rather than representing the imposed narrative. I agree 100% with you. Never thought I would say that. Welldone

 

[Cliftonite]

Can you mention a single area of the world where there have not been some form of persecution? I don't need to tell you about the reality that you live in do I? The incredibly backward caste system says hello. You are a supposed Indian Muslim. Maybe you should educate the readers on PDF about the struggles of the average Indian Muslim under Modi.

The Middle East has always been a very tolerant region (compared to other regions of the world) hence why the world's most ancient minorities have survived to this day as well as their holy sites and institutions. Take the Arab Jews that now form 2/3's of all Israeli Jews. They emerged in Israel from Arab lands. What does that show? While Jews were supposedly (in the millions) mass-murdered in Europe next door, Arab Jews were living peacefully. The creation of Israel and subsequent events changed that but even to this day you have small Jewish minorities in Arab countries.

And what is your ethnicity and family background? Being from Delhi equals saying that I am from NYC. I could be anything.



I don't care about your drivel, Mr. Professor of Arab affairs that cannot count to 10 in Arabic. Saad is a great, successful and respected musician.

Haha I am a 'Bakistani' from Karachi. Nice job painting the Middle East as some beacon of inclusivity. The Bahais, Yazidi, Alawites, Maronites, Zoroastrians, Druze, Copts all seem to disagree. There's a reason the Druze all side with Israel over you Arabs despite living amongst you for centuries.

 

[Philosopher]

Ok, can you enlighten me about their territorial claims in KSA, which supposedly covers the majority of that made up map? Or that of half of Iraq? Or that of the entire Sham? That of Southeastern Turkey. That of Southwestern Iran? What is their historical claims to practically all of Northern KSA (the size of Sham combined almost) and in which Jewish/Israeli literature are those clams mentioned/propagandized? Have Israeli politicians ever claimed those territories?
In short on what basis is that map made?

Do not get preoccupied with specific theoretical maps, instead focus on the main issue, which is they may have designs for further land grabbing.

Numbers are very relevant here. Israeli Jews are already outnumbered (if they annex Palestine completely) and you talk about annexing Jordan with 10-15 million more Arabs? It is laughable talk.

I am not as confident as you are using this reasoning. Remember, even if they have such designs, it is not like they will invade Jordan overtly and take over their lands in a conventional military sense in a month. These plans are played out over years (centuries even). It's a long term game. To my eyes, Israel's appetite for expansion will not be limited to just Palestine. That's not to say they will succeed, but it's very important to be mindful.

 

[Naofumi]

The incredibly backward caste system says hello. You are a supposed Indian Muslim. Maybe you should educate the readers on PDF about the struggles of the average Indian Muslim under Modi.

Check my previous threads and posts.

The Middle East has always been a very tolerant region (compared to other regions of the world) hence why the world's most ancient minorities have survived to this day as well as their holy sites and institutions. Take the Arab Jews that now form 2/3's of all Israeli Jews. They emerged in Israel from Arab lands. What does that show? While Jews were supposedly (in the millions) mass-murdered in Europe next door, Arab Jews were living peacefully. The creation of Israel and subsequent events changed that but even to this day you have small Jewish minorities in Arab countries.

Brother, you can't be this ignorant, even Mizrahis (your "Arab Jews") have written tons on persecution.

And what is your ethnicity and family background? Being from Delhi equals saying that I am from NYC. I could be anything.

Old Delhi was/is inhabited by Urdu speaking people since Mughal periods, we're Urdu speaking Muslims.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Haha I am a 'Bakistani' from Karachi. Nice job painting the Middle East as some beacon of inclusivity. The Bahais, Yazidi, Alawites, Maronites, Zoroastrians, Druze, Copts all seem to disagree. There's a reason the Druze all side with Israel over you Arabs despite living amongst you for centuries.

Janab, try not to get too caught up in debates and lose focus. Arabs treat their minorities very well. As a matter of fact, usually minorities are better of financially and politically than Muslims in these countries. I can understand Sunni, Shia sectarianism as something terrible in some parts of Arab world, like Bahrain, but minorities are not persecuted in Arab countries.

This is like those people say Pakistan is persecuting Christians, it is totally false and nothing but propaganda.

My holiest river???? Look, I don't give a damn about this, I was simply perplexed about your revisionism but if you insist then let it be so.

No offense but there have been tons of scholarship about persecution of minorities in ME since at least medieval periods, should I name the books and authors for you to broaden your horizons?

Can you see the irony here?

My origins are from Old city of Delhi from Ballimaran.

Who wrote that "scholarship" and for what purpose? The same people who tried to keep British India together by force to deny the Iranic heritage of Pakistan. Going so far as making it a death penalty to teach Dari, our official tongue.

Those same British and French played those same games in the Arab world. Driving a wedge between Arabs and Turks, between Arabs against other Arabs, and finally using minorities against Muslims.

Read Edward Said's Orientalism, he talks about the Western propaganda against Arabs and Muslims, and how it is used to unfairly portray us as the villian.

 

[ArabianEmpires&Caliphates]

Haha I am a 'Bakistani' from Karachi. Nice job painting the Middle East as some beacon of inclusivity. The Bahais, Yazidi, Alawites, Maronites, Zoroastrians, Druze, Copts all seem to disagree. There's a reason the Druze all side with Israel over you Arabs despite living amongst you for centuries.

What matters is that the Middle East was historically much more inclusive than most other regions of the world hence why the world's oldest minorities have remained.

Let me focus about the Arab world or Arab Near East as I am familiar with that area of the world so I am not going to talk about minorities not found in Arab countries, some of which you have just mentioned.

So I am only going to talk about Arab Christians, Arab Jews, Druze, Alawites, Cops and Maronites.

I already covered the Arab Christians. Likewise the Arab Jews.

Copts face some structural and societal challenges that the likes of brother @Gomig-21 can elaborate on in detail here but their existence, safety, livelihood is not under any threat in Egypt and they are part of every walk of life in Egypt. They have their own churches, their own Pope, own institutions etc. Legally they have the same rights as Egyptian citizens too.

Most Druze live in Southern Syria and they are an important part of Syria's mosaic. They are not any different from Arabs, just like Alawites are Arabs as well. The Alawites have ruled Syria for 4 decades (causing much harm) so I am not sure what oppression that you are blabbering about. If anything the most oppressed (recent years) community in Syria have been the Syrian Sunni Arabs. But all this is tied to a fight for political power with tons of outside players hence the mess that is Syria today.

Maronites number 1 million people and they are a religious group, not an ethnic group. Talk of Maronite oppression in Lebanon is utter nonsense considering that they are overrepresented compared to their population and an active part of the failed Lebanese political system.

 

[Naofumi]

The same people who tried to keep British India together by force to deny the Iranic heritage of Pakistan.

Why don't you publish your papers to prove Punjabi and Sindhi didn't descended from Sanskrit? You can ask @ArabianEmpires&Caliphates about the "Great Saudi universities" help in this regard.

 

[ArabianEmpires&Caliphates]

Check my previous threads and posts.

Brother, you can't be this ignorant, even Mizrahis (your "Arab Jews") have written tons on persecution.

Old Delhi was/is inhabited by Urdu speaking people since Mughal periods, we're Urdu speaking Muslims.

Arab Jews lived 1000 times better in the Arab world than they did in Europe. This is a well-established fact. Millions of Jews were supposedly mass-murdered in Europe and 1000's of Jewish pogroms occurred in Europe before the Holocaust. Not even remotely comparable to anything that occurred in the Arab world/Middle East. And I have interacted with many Arab Jews in person and online (even on PDF) and they will confirm what I wrote.

What is your ethnicity?

Why don't you publish your papers to prove Punjabi and Sindhi didn't descended from Sanskrit? You can ask @ArabianEmpires&Caliphates about the "Great Saudi universities" help in this regard.

Are you butthurt that Saudi Arabian universities, along with Israeli ones, are the best ranked in the Muslim/developing world? Don't blame me.

How about you stop this agenda of yours where Pakistanis (Punjabis and Sindhis) are "Indian"? India is a 73 year old creation. It was never once in history united before the Brits did it for you. You are composed of literally 100's of different ethnic groups who speak 100's of very different languages. Pakistan on the other hand is composed of mainly 4 ethnic groups, excluding the Indian Muslim arrivals and some other small minorities in the North. Your agenda is very clear.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Why don't you publish your papers to prove Punjabi and Sindhi didn't descended from Sanskrit? You can ask @ArabianEmpires&Caliphates about the "Saudi universities" help in this regard.

Why are you trying to appropriate our two largest provinces? They are not Indian, but part and parcel of Pakistan. Commonality between all Pakistanis is due to the IVC. We are all racially related.

As a Punjabi speaker, I can tell you Punjabi (and dialects) descended from multiple sources. It is a composite language, which you guys call Prakrit. There is a heavy Farsi (or more correctly Dari) base in Punjabi, which eventually led to the same in Urdu (a related language to Punjabi.) There is heavy influence of Pukhto, Sindhi in Punjabi too.

As far as I know, Panini codified Sanskrit from diffrent dialects into an official language. He was from Warrukai Lahor in KPK.