'Kill Ahmadis' leaflets found in UK mosque

[Salik]

YOU CAN SAY BECAUSE YOU ARE VERY FAR

Don't you think more the merrier. I mean we need as many prophets as possible for the guidance of humanity.

One thing is common among all the prophets that they declare themselves supreme authority. Prophet Muhammad PBUH said that he was last prophet, even Moses would follow him if he would come that day. Jesus made same kind of claim that he was the authority of the day.

One reason could be that they wanted to establish their writ and bring people in order. Today, that countries are not based on religions but economic systems, we can have as many prophets conveniently.

There will remain confusion unless we understand the concept of 'eternal religion' i.e. one god many paths. Islam, Christianity, Sikhisn, Budhism all lead to one Supreme Being. A person can be Hindu, Sikh or Muslim whatever he likes, ultimately he will be within the [braces] of Eternal Religion. It is easier today because human has achieved social order notwithstanding any religion.

 

[EasyNow]

Pakistanis need to get off their fixation with Ahmediyyas. Nowhere else do you see so much propaganda and politics about these guys. There are so many religions in the world, even Islam has dozens of sects with hundreds of interpretations - just live and let live for God's sake.

For those claiming they are misleading Muslims, I never heard anyone campaign so hard against groups teaching young Muslims terror and hate. They are misleading Muslims most fatally but for you Ahmediyyas are the easy target. .

How does it show extremism of muslims? Anybody could have put those leaflets there. MI5/MI6 , EDL or britain first are really good at this kind of things and could have very well done it considering the kind of gov sponsored hysteria being created against muslims in UK at the moment. Individual qadiyanis or random islamophobes could have also done it to gain some spotlight in the media and contribute to the anti-muslim hysteria in UK.

Btw qadiyanis are a highly obnoxious group that literally thrive on anti-muslim hysteria and bigotry . It seems they vie for any opportunity to pick a fight with muslims and make life harder for them.

You fool, you argue that Muslims are not responsible for Ahmediyya hatred and straight away follow up with a hate comment against them.

 

[Luffy 500]

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You fool, you argue that Muslims are not responsible for Ahmediyya hatred and straight away follow up with a hate comment against them.

That's no hate comment. I simply stated a fact . U might also come to the same conclusion if u read history & observe the qadiyani activities with a unbiased mind free of neo-colonial liberal baggage.

 

[EasyNow]

That's no hate comment. I simply stated a fact . U might also come to the same conclusion if u read history & observe the qadiyani activities with a unbiased mind free of neo-colonial liberal baggage.

It is not my job to observe anyone but myself and my own. Have you heard the saying "to you be your religion and to me mine" ?

 

[Erhabi]

Qadiyanis are non Muslims because they dont consider Prophet Muhammad (S,A.W) as their last prophet.. But lets not kill them because of that. In the Judgement day Allah will deal with them accordingly.

 

[Sky lord]

Because prophet Muhammad pbuh is last messenger no one after him
You understand ?
.

So?

Does that mean you have to kill Ahmedis? Or chase their kids around school to beat them up?

Why not leave it to god to judge and punish?

 

[Jaanbaz]

Because prophet Muhammad pbuh is last messenger no one after him
You understand ?



No because the bible mentions prophet Muhammad pbuh and most Christians and Jews accepted and continued with there faith as before and with more zeal having a prophecy come true


He's your founder so why the phuck you associating with Islam for are you a brain dead zombie that your calling yourself after a religion which you have absolutely nothing in common with except some cultural aspects like Hindu Sikh
Your own founder propagated terrorism against the rest of the Muslim world the filthy drunken swine with his English bum pals and you call me terrorist
You ever read the filthy hate manuals your nasty feaces infected stomach founder wrote
Your whole bogus clown looney party was built on hate for Muslims
No wonder no muslim from the east to the west to the north to the south calls out your cult for what it is a bogus clown party only zionists and Hindus defend .

Deobandis and Brelvi call each other agents of Satan, I think its worst being agent of Satan then British. stupid little prick.

 

[Mrc]

By the way pamphlets were found in a british mosque....and this is pdf....so why is this being debated here??

 

[باپ]

Ahmedi shouldn't call themselves Muslim because they got their separate prophet from Muslims.
Christians won't call themselves Muslims or Jews for similar reasons. Same God, different prophets so different religions.
The problem most Muslims got with Ahmedis is the one mentioned above.
It's pledgerism and mockery of well established religion of Islam which we Muslims reserve the right not to like .
On the other hand Qadianis are free to call themselves who they are Ahmedi / Qadiani and free to worship whoever they want to.
Don't think anybody has a problem with that.

 

[Multani]

It's not just about Mosques, the ahmadi hatred runs deep among Pakistani Muslims. I went to school in a 70% Pakistani Muslim school population. I faced verbal abuse and several physical threats. But the only reason I was mostly spared was because I was friends with an outstanding Pakistani Sunni Muslim chap who threatened dire consequences on those that harmed me. My other ahmadi friends were not lucky, I recall one of my friends being chased around the school by a bearded fella with a wooden stick shouting "Qadiani nu pharo" ( Get the Qadiani). Another had to change schools due to constant bullying.

While a decade or two back back, this area saw regular disturbances involving Ahmadi Muslims and Non Ahmadi Muslims that did get very ugly and physical. It's a regular occurrence in areas with large Ahmadi Muslims and non Ahmadi Muslims Populations in UK. Not even 1% of it is reported.

you speak as if the Ahmedis in the UK mix with Muslims regularly, which is not the case, even in schools. But what i have noticed is that the Ahmedis, being a cult, have segregated themselves totally [ and deliberately ] from others and live SECRETIVELY, almost always not disclosing their identity, even if the UK guarantees total freedom of movement and practice in the open, as seen with all other religions. They give chanda to their Huzoor, and their name is on the register tally; so the Ahmedis know each other. The vast Muslim population has no such tally and is multi-cultural and diverse.

For example, in Birmingham, where there are more than 300,000 Muslims, the small few thousand Ahmedi community, though mostly Punjabi Pakistan, with half of them recent immigrants, lives on the outskirts away from all the rest of the Mirpuris/Punjabi dominated Muslims. Rarely did i notice these two groups of people inter-mingle.

Wahabis consider Shia as another religion, lets hope they don't gather much support in Pakistan's parliament to get them declared kafir too.



Yeah, Ahmadis are the ones blowing themselves in Mosques, lynching and burning people over blasphemy.

shia Muslims in Pakistan were the foremost in getting the Ahmedis declared as non-Muslims in Pakistan and removed from all government positions, including the famous Zafarullah Sahab. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mufti_Jafar_Hussain

 

[Vapnope]

shia Muslims in Pakistan were the foremost in getting the Ahmedis declared as non-Muslims in Pakistan and removed from all government positions, including the famous Zafarullah Sahab. See

How many Shias were there in Ahrar? Maulana Abdul Sattar Niazi, Maududi, Mufti Mehmood and Shah Ahmad noorani were the main people behind 2nd amendment.

 

[Pakistani E]

you speak as if the Ahmedis in the UK mix with Muslims regularly, which is not the case, even in schools. But what i have noticed is that the Ahmedis, being a cult, have segregated themselves totally [ and deliberately ] from others and live SECRETIVELY, almost always not disclosing their identity, even if the UK guarantees total freedom of movement and practice in the open, as seen with all other religions. They give chanda to their Huzoor, and their name is on the register tally; so the Ahmedis know each other. The vast Muslim population has no such tally and is multi-cultural and diverse.

For example, in Birmingham, where there are more than 300,000 Muslims, the small few thousand Ahmedi community, though mostly Punjabi Pakistan, with half of them recent immigrants, lives on the outskirts away from all the rest of the Mirpuris/Punjabi dominated Muslims. Rarely did i notice these two groups of people inter-mingle.

It's upto individual Ahmadis who they interact with. Your argument is actually the other way around, its some of the non Ahmadi Muslims that segregrate themselves into ghettos and do not interact with the larger community. At the local Ahmadi Mosque here, we always invite every community in our peace conferences, Eid celebrations etc including other Muslims. It's other Muslims themselves who do not attend such events. Christians, atheiests, Jews, Hindus and Sikhs gladly turn up to these events, but its been a while since we had any Non Ahmadi Muslims attending. Yet you are blaming Ahmadis for segregating themselves?

And what's the sneaky quip with Chanda? You are not the one giving it from your pocket, so relax. We'll give as much as we want. Atleast we are not giving Chandas to terrorist and sectarian organisations unlike some of the other Role models you are presenting to us in your enlightening post.

As for Birmingham, I can only answer for what I have seen from my eyes. Which is, that its the other Muslims who do not want anything to do with Ahmadis, not the other way around. You are talking as if Ahmadis live in gated communities, which is stupid, since most Ahmadis actually live in Mixed neighborhoods which includes other Muslims.

Your's is just a generalized rant, nothing else.

 

[Luffy 500]

It is not my job to observe anyone but myself and my own. Have you heard the saying "to you be your religion and to me mine" ?

Actually a muslims job is to enjoin what's good and forbid what evil, to the best of his or her ability. If u don't observe , how would u safeguard yourself from evil and vice?

And yeah i heard that saying. Its from surah al-kafirun that most muslims memorize and know by heart. DO you know what's the context surrounding it is? The pagans of arabia proposed that the messenger of Allah(swt) , Muhammad (sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam) , worship their gods for a year, then they would worship that which he worshipped (Allah) for a year, and so on. And so this Surah was revealed containing an order to the Prophet, sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam, to declare his rejection of all that which they worship, and to say: I do not worship that which you worship, that is, their idols and the partners they associate with Allah. It has also been narrated that Surah Al-Kafirun is equivalent to one quarter of the Qur'an. The Prophet, sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam, also said: "Read: 'Say: 'Oh, you who disbelieve,', then sleep at the end of it because it is freedom from shirk (associating partners with Allah)."

Abu 'Abdillah ash-Shafi'i says that the verse "To you your religion and to me mine" shows that the disbelievers are one people ... because disbelief in all its many manifestations has one thing in common – that is, falsity.

http://sunnahonline.com/library/the...chapter-109-surah-al-kafirun-the-disbelievers

Btw what those pagans of arabia proposed is not much different to what secularist and liberals both inside and outside the muslim world propose to muslims now a days. They all pester muslims to compromise with islam and recognize their falsehoods and wonder in frustration why muslims won't ever accept their proposals no matter how much carpet bombing they do.

By the way pamphlets were found in a british mosque....and this is pdf....so why is this being debated here??

Every other day their is a qadiyani related thread portraying qadiyani victim-hood. Its too repetitive. There r plenty of qadiyani trolls who r being patronaged by the forum IMO.

 

[Dr Gupta]

Ahmadis are some of the smartest nicest people you will ever meet, UK has some nut cases like that one who killed the man from Glasgow but they are a minority.

UK govt should take stern action and revoke their passports kick them out and let them go to Saudi Arabia or join desh

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/08/29/david-cameron-terrorism-passports_n_5736490.html

 

[EasyNow]

Actually a muslims job is to enjoin what's good and forbid what evil, to the best of his or her ability. If u don't observe , how would u safeguard yourself from evil and vice?

And yeah i heard that saying. Its from surah al-kafirun that most muslims memorize and know by heart. DO you know what's the context surrounding it is? The pagans of arabia proposed that the messenger of Allah(swt) , Muhammad (sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam) , worship their gods for a year, then they would worship that which he worshipped (Allah) for a year, and so on. And so this Surah was revealed containing an order to the Prophet, sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam, to declare his rejection of all that which they worship, and to say: I do not worship that which you worship, that is, their idols and the partners they associate with Allah. It has also been narrated that Surah Al-Kafirun is equivalent to one quarter of the Qur'an. The Prophet, sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam, also said: "Read: 'Say: 'Oh, you who disbelieve,', then sleep at the end of it because it is freedom from shirk (associating partners with Allah)."

Abu 'Abdillah ash-Shafi'i says that the verse "To you your religion and to me mine" shows that the disbelievers are one people ... because disbelief in all its many manifestations has one thing in common – that is, falsity.

http://sunnahonline.com/library/the...chapter-109-surah-al-kafirun-the-disbelievers

Btw what those pagans of arabia proposed is not much different to what secularist and liberals both inside and outside the muslim world propose to muslims now a days. They all pester muslims to compromise with islam and recognize their falsehoods and wonder in frustration why muslims won't ever accept their proposals no matter how much carpet bombing they do.



Every other day their is a qadiyani related thread portraying qadiyani victim-hood. Its too repetitive. There r plenty of qadiyani trolls who r being patronaged by the forum IMO.

See this is what people mean about mullahs twisting the meaning of Islam. The Quran is complete, do you understand? There's no need for context.

You've took a simple and clear message and found a way to make it mean the complete opposite. Everything you bring is opinion.

Our nabi (swt) could have said I reject your religion or your religion is false but he didn't, he said to you is yours and to me is mine - how can you get things so twisted?

Some Muslims have read so much into the deen, they can't see the wood for the trees. You are also familiar I'm sure with a people who will pass through Allah's word like an arrow. The Kharijites are the dogs of hell so please change your ways.