Kerala High Court helps Hindu-Muslim couple who got death threats, get married

[haviZsultan]

What is socialist muslim opinion on Ranvir Sena?

@Oscar, @waz, this is Ranvir Sena who was banned for posting rubbish. Now he is bullying jamahir. I mean seriously the guy (jamahir) is what people in India idolize as a tame cow, defenceless and never answering to a prod in the back with a kick in the face. Still people keep bullying him. His only fault is he refuses Indian nationalism.

You want to know what we Lucknowites think of Ranvir Sena? It is a typical Hindu terror outfit bullying muslims, taking their land, and using harsh methods to deal with maoists.

 

[takeiteasy]

As a keralite, Kasargod is tense right now. There have been news reports of a Muslim man getting bashed because he was seen talking to a Hindu woman.

Muslim conservatives bashing a Hindu guy for doing the same thing.

Kasargod has a strong RSS presence. And there are Muslim right wing extremists on the other side

Mangalore-Kasaragode region is having lot religious tensions these days. I've heard vehicles with religious icons are stoned by both communities. Sadachara police!

 

[Chronos]

Mangalore-Kasaragode region is having lot religious tensions these days. I've heard vehicles with religious icons are stoned by both communities. Sadachara police!

This comment is going to get a lot of hate. But what the hell.

Whether you are a Hindu, Muslim whatever, you will highlight incidents that magnify your sense of victimhood to fit a narrative that is conducive to you.

I have heard many Indians say India is 'secular.' Indian secularism is not really secularism. It has always swung between pandering to reactionary elements in the minority communities to reactionary elements in the majority community.

The Muslim opponents of the RSS in Kasargod are not interested in bringing an enlightened, rational society. They are trying to establish their own theocracy within their own community.

RSS talks about majoritarian discrimination. Their Muslim conservative opponents talks about discrimination from the majority community.

Asaram bapu and other swamis talked about falling at the feet of their rapists or dressing a certain way will get you raped.

Abu Azmi proposed death penalty for pre-marital sex. You have conservative Muslim clerics in Kerala wanting to lower the marriage age of girls till 14.

They have no problem crying victim but have no problem bullying the weak and powerless in society.

There is a reason why I don't come to these threads in the first place That are religious in nature.

posters based on their religion will maximise their sense of victimhood to add credence to their narrative. Whether they be Hindu, Muslim, Christian or Atheist.

 

[jamahir]

@Oscar, @waz, this is Ranvir Sena who was banned for posting rubbish. Now he is bullying jamahir.

last night, i reported his post ( in the beef thread ) for his permanent ban... he has been banned now, maybe after your reporting of him.

his post spoke glowingly of three things...

(a). glorifying the oppression of ladies in his village... what irony this, today is "international women's day".

(b). trying to insult romania member, flamer84, as "dalit of europe"... it clear what this bhumihar fellow thinks of dalits in his region and in india.

(c). laughingly speaking of witnessing the killing of maoists.

You want to know what we Lucknowites think of Ranvir Sena? It is a typical Hindu terror outfit bullying muslims, taking their land, and using harsh methods to deal with maoists.

it is clear that he is a terrorist, a brother of taliban or jemah.

I mean seriously the guy (jamahir) is what people in India idolize as a tame cow, defenceless and never answering to a prod in the back with a kick in the face. Still people keep bullying him. His only fault is he refuses Indian nationalism.

i must correct this. i am not a tame cow but a cat... when surrounded by dogs i fight despite the massive disadvantage... i rage, twist, bite, scratch... but to not get into such a situation i plot to get myself into a power position... that is what i have been doing since 2011... and to plot i must remain calm, despite provocation.

yes, seems my fault is i refuse indian nationalism... i refuse to to respect a society that propagates anti-human ideas, a society that gives its citizens little troubles every day, and big troubles regularly, so that in the end the person becomes a diseased parasite to humanity... only taking but not giving.

2017 will be the 100th anniversary of the russian revolution... even the west acknowledges that event in its own ways but indian establishment refuses, despite benefiting much ( not just some of the weaponary of the indian military but many of the social laws like employee unions ).

it is really the fault of the indian socialists that they are not organized much and are not far-seeing... if they did, they would have been governing india and i would not be constantly surrounded on pdf by the parasites you mention.

Sorry. But Kerala experimented with socialism for the last 50 years. While it improved Kerala's social indicators quite a lot, it still isn't a good system.

last year saw the routing of the public communist parties in bengal and kerala... a failure.

every socialist person and society is urged in socialism to move towards true communism... in kerala that didn't really happen... the communist parties in west bengal and kerala had fifty years to bring socialism to rest of india, by any means, and yet they decided to join the fakery of the rest of the indian political system, all that elections and multiple parties... hence they were defeated in bengal and kerala.

the public communist parties had become just like any other regional party like "janata dal" or "samajwadi party"... another mistake was them separating in the 60's... these mistakes it seems are now acknowledged by the cpi-m and cpi-ml and they are talking about reunifying ( i was personally acknowledged this ).

Nations like the scandinavian nations and New Zealand have elements of socialism like free healthcare, free education.

then they should gather more elements of socialism... i didn't know about new zealand ( so thanks ) but didn't iceland have a banking crisis because it retained anglo-style capitalism despite being the fabled nordic wefare state??

the socialists in greece have been taking direct-action in the last few years against the perils of greece retaining capitalism, and also a way to demonstrate to europe of the greeks at some level reject the insanely happy projection of eurozone capitalism.

India no doubt needs heavy spending on health care, education, sanitation and infrastructure. But it also needs more businesses coming to India.

A marriage between a capitalist system with socialism sprinkled in to take care of the social aspects.

consider this... no socialist society advertised itself as "economic superpower" yet it provided top-class comforts to its citizens... even afghanistan and somalia changed from largely tribal societies to progressive ones... did that take heavy investment by transnational capitalist companies??

there is a clear paradox in india... being the largest importer of armaments for the express purpose of protecting an internal system but the internal system being one which caused the death of at least 69 people in the tea estates in darjeeling some months ago because of hunger ( in 2014 ad ) and also in 2014 came the title of "india - suicide capital of the world"... all this while no dog in india has gone hungry since 1998.

the money for those armaments came through software/services export and foreign aid... it is the six-decade-old capitalist ideology that caused that money to be diverted away from welfare of its citizens ( which should have been primary ).

there is no reason for money system to even exist... it is unnatural and clearly the partial reason for human miseries for thousands of years... i won't bore you with this because i have already made many posts before.

what Indians need is a heavy dose of pragmatism. Not to be bound ideologically to one cause and sink with it.

sink among what other ideologies??

the ideal of the communist humanity is the most automatic to any thoughtful and scientific person.

 

[Chronos]

last night, i reported his post ( in the beef thread ) for his permanent ban... he has been banned now, maybe after your reporting of him.

his post spoke glowingly of three things...

(a). glorifying the oppression of ladies in his village... what irony this, today is "international women's day".

(b). trying to insult romania member, flamer84, as "dalit of europe"... it clear what this bhumihar fellow thinks of dalits in his region and in india.

(c). laughingly speaking of witnessing the killing of maoists.



it is clear that he is a terrorist, a brother of taliban or jemah.



i must correct this. i am not a tame cow but a cat... when surrounded by dogs i fight despite the massive disadvantage... i rage, twist, bite, scratch... but to not get into such a situation i plot to get myself into a power position... that is what i have been doing since 2011... and to plot i must remain calm, despite provocation.

yes, seems my fault is i refuse indian nationalism... i refuse to to respect a society that propagates anti-human ideas, a society that gives its citizens little troubles every day, and big troubles regularly, so that in the end the person becomes a diseased parasite to humanity... only taking but not giving.

2017 will be the 100th anniversary of the russian revolution... even the west acknowledges that event in its own ways but indian establishment refuses, despite benefiting much ( not just some of the weaponary of the indian military but many of the social laws like employee unions ).

it is really the fault of the indian socialists that they are not organized much and are not far-seeing... if they did, they would have been governing india and i would not be constantly surrounded on pdf by the parasites you mention.



last year saw the routing of the public communist parties in bengal and kerala... a failure.

every socialist person and society is urged in socialism to move towards true communism... in kerala that didn't really happen... the communist parties in west bengal and kerala had fifty years to bring socialism to rest of india, by any means, and yet they decided to join the fakery of the rest of the indian political system, all that elections and multiple parties... hence they were defeated in bengal and kerala.

the public communist parties had become just like any other regional party like "janata dal" or "samajwadi party"... another mistake was them separating in the 60's... these mistakes it seems are now acknowledged by the cpi-m and cpi-ml and they are talking about reunifying ( i was personally acknowledged this ).



then they should gather more elements of socialism... i didn't know about new zealand ( so thanks ) but didn't iceland have a banking crisis because it retained anglo-style capitalism despite being the fabled nordic wefare state??

the socialists in greece have been taking direct-action in the last few years against the perils of greece retaining capitalism, and also a way to demonstrate to europe of the greeks at some level reject the insanely happy projection of eurozone capitalism.



consider this... no socialist society advertised itself as "economic superpower" yet it provided top-class comforts to its citizens... even afghanistan and somalia changed from largely tribal societies to progressive ones... did that take heavy investment by transnational capitalist companies??

there is a clear paradox in india... being the largest importer of armaments for the express purpose of protecting an internal system but the internal system being one which caused the death of at least 69 people in the tea estates in darjeeling some months ago because of hunger ( in 2014 ad ) and also in 2014 came the title of "india - suicide capital of the world"... all this while no dog in india has gone hungry since 1998.

the money for those armaments came through software/services export and foreign aid... it is the six-decade-old capitalist ideology that caused that money to be diverted away from welfare of its citizens ( which should have been primary ).

there is no reason for money system to even exist... it is unnatural and clearly the partial reason for human miseries for thousands of years... i won't bore you with this because i have already made many posts before.



sink among what other ideologies??

the ideal of the communist humanity is the most automatic to any thoughtful and scientific person.

I gave you a like not because I agree, but the content of your post.

 

[jamahir]

I gave you a like not because I agree, but the content of your post.

you mean i sound a well-read chap??

 

[ravi kiran]

dna tests are as modern as the idea of inter-religion marriages... you should strictly avoid.

you are not getting my point.

this is Ranvir Sena who was banned for posting rubbish. Now he is bullying jamahir. I mean seriously the guy (jamahir) is what people in India idolize as a tame cow, defenceless and never answering to a prod in the back with a kick in the face. Still people keep bullying him. His only fault is he refuses Indian nationalism.

You want to know what we Lucknowites think of Ranvir Sena? It is a typical Hindu terror outfit bullying muslims, taking their land, and using harsh methods to deal with maoists.

red part is called as treason. and if he is so unhappy in India then he can leave India nobody is forcing him to stay in India.

 

[haviZsultan]

last night, i reported his post ( in the beef thread ) for his permanent ban... he has been banned now, maybe after your reporting of him.

his post spoke glowingly of three things...

(a). glorifying the oppression of ladies in his village... what irony this, today is "international women's day".

(b). trying to insult romania member, flamer84, as "dalit of europe"... it clear what this bhumihar fellow thinks of dalits in his region and in india.

(c). laughingly speaking of witnessing the killing of maoists.



it is clear that he is a terrorist, a brother of taliban or jemah.



i must correct this. i am not a tame cow but a cat... when surrounded by dogs i fight despite the massive disadvantage... i rage, twist, bite, scratch... but to not get into such a situation i plot to get myself into a power position... that is what i have been doing since 2011... and to plot i must remain calm, despite provocation.

yes, seems my fault is i refuse indian nationalism... i refuse to to respect a society that propagates anti-human ideas, a society that gives its citizens little troubles every day, and big troubles regularly, so that in the end the person becomes a diseased parasite to humanity... only taking but not giving.

2017 will be the 100th anniversary of the russian revolution... even the west acknowledges that event in its own ways but indian establishment refuses, despite benefiting much ( not just some of the weaponary of the indian military but many of the social laws like employee unions ).

it is really the fault of the indian socialists that they are not organized much and are not far-seeing... if they did, they would have been governing india and i would not be constantly surrounded on pdf by the parasites you mention.



last year saw the routing of the public communist parties in bengal and kerala... a failure.

every socialist person and society is urged in socialism to move towards true communism... in kerala that didn't really happen... the communist parties in west bengal and kerala had fifty years to bring socialism to rest of india, by any means, and yet they decided to join the fakery of the rest of the indian political system, all that elections and multiple parties... hence they were defeated in bengal and kerala.

the public communist parties had become just like any other regional party like "janata dal" or "samajwadi party"... another mistake was them separating in the 60's... these mistakes it seems are now acknowledged by the cpi-m and cpi-ml and they are talking about reunifying ( i was personally acknowledged this ).



then they should gather more elements of socialism... i didn't know about new zealand ( so thanks ) but didn't iceland have a banking crisis because it retained anglo-style capitalism despite being the fabled nordic wefare state??

the socialists in greece have been taking direct-action in the last few years against the perils of greece retaining capitalism, and also a way to demonstrate to europe of the greeks at some level reject the insanely happy projection of eurozone capitalism.



consider this... no socialist society advertised itself as "economic superpower" yet it provided top-class comforts to its citizens... even afghanistan and somalia changed from largely tribal societies to progressive ones... did that take heavy investment by transnational capitalist companies??

there is a clear paradox in india... being the largest importer of armaments for the express purpose of protecting an internal system but the internal system being one which caused the death of at least 69 people in the tea estates in darjeeling some months ago because of hunger ( in 2014 ad ) and also in 2014 came the title of "india - suicide capital of the world"... all this while no dog in india has gone hungry since 1998.

the money for those armaments came through software/services export and foreign aid... it is the six-decade-old capitalist ideology that caused that money to be diverted away from welfare of its citizens ( which should have been primary ).

there is no reason for money system to even exist... it is unnatural and clearly the partial reason for human miseries for thousands of years... i won't bore you with this because i have already made many posts before.



sink among what other ideologies??

the ideal of the communist humanity is the most automatic to any thoughtful and scientific person.

Keep up posting. Cat.

you are not getting my point.


red part is called as treason. and if he is so unhappy in India then he can leave India nobody is forcing him to stay in India.

This is an overused argument to put the blame on the person who criticizes society for whatever reason. The question to ask is why we muslims do not see India as a savior much less see it as a habitable state where we are safe though I would admit some Muslims left have become Indian (which is natural) over time.

Technically even I am a Lucknowi. My parents were born there. My mother came from there before being married and had lived there for the better part of her life. I was supposed to be sympathetic to India and Indians. No such luck.

2 arguments have been used which I would call a "wheel of oppression," which run India and are a tool to oppress minorities and keep them gullible.

1 One is whenever Indians see criticism from a member of the minority community they instantly label him as an anti Indian, anti Hindu minority. This has ensured that muslims can't stand for their rights neither can they criticize any law which goes against them. The cow slaughter ban hurts muslims most but not one muslim has come up and stood against it. One of the constant fears of a muslim is being told he is anti Indian. My cousin was constantly called a supporter of Pakistan in Lucknow. He decided in the end to say "yes I support Pakistan" in the end

2 Two is the "go to Pakistan" or "go elsewhere" argument. It is an argument used to say we won't improve things for muslims here at home so they should leave the country. On one hand you are refusing them rights and on the other you are telling them to go away if they want any.

I think myself lucky that Pakistani nationalism saved me because otherwise I would be a typical head nodding "Indian muslim," and would refuse to even once raise my voice against oppression of my people. This is why muslims left there should not give up faith in Pakistan. Lets say another gujarat genocide happens where will our people go, where will they find sympathy. Answer is Pakistan.

 

[Bornubus]

Even high courts couldn't do nothing in some cases...recently a Muslim girl got killed for marrying a Hindu in Bijnore dist. .....and UP is the biggest culprit of honour killing

Muslim woman weds Hindu man, both killed - TOI Mobile | The Times of India Mobile Site

 

[ravi kiran]

Keep up posting. Cat.




This is an overused argument to put the blame on the person who criticizes society for whatever reason. The question to ask is why we muslims do not see India as a savior much less see it as a habitable state where we are safe though I would admit some Muslims left have become Indian (which is natural) over time.

Technically even I am a Lucknowi. My parents were born there. My mother came from there before being married and had lived there for the better part of her life. I was supposed to be sympathetic to India and Indians. No such luck.

2 arguments have been used which I would call a "wheel of oppression," which run India and are a tool to oppress minorities and keep them gullible.

1 One is whenever Indians see criticism from a member of the minority community they instantly label him as an anti Indian, anti Hindu minority. This has ensured that muslims can't stand for their rights neither can they criticize any law which goes against them. The cow slaughter ban hurts muslims most but not one muslim has come up and stood against it. One of the constant fears of a muslim is being told he is anti Indian. My cousin was constantly called a supporter of Pakistan in Lucknow. He decided in the end to say "yes I support Pakistan" in the end

2 Two is the "go to Pakistan" or "go elsewhere" argument. It is an argument used to say we won't improve things for muslims here at home so they should leave the country. On one hand you are refusing them rights and on the other you are telling them to go away if they want any.

I think myself lucky that Pakistani nationalism saved me because otherwise I would be a typical head nodding "Indian muslim," and would refuse to even once raise my voice against oppression of my people. This is why muslims left there should not give up faith in Pakistan. Lets say another gujarat genocide happens where will our people go, where will they find sympathy. Answer is Pakistan.

What do you think India is heaven for us? We are also suffering here but we don't bash our nation. Instead we are trying to improve our nation. But many Muslim here are only happy in criticising and bashing our nation. They just care about their religion. They don't care about nation. And that is our problem with them. We want them to consider nation before religion but you know very well it is impossible.
They are living in India but loving Pakistan. That is unacceptable.

 

[The_Showstopper]

What do you think India is heaven for us? We are also suffering here but we don't bash our nation. Instead we are trying to improve our nation. But many Muslim here are only happy in criticising and bashing our nation. They just care about their religion. They don't care about nation. And that is our problem with them. We want them to consider nation before religion but you know very well it is impossible.
They are living in India but loving Pakistan. That is unacceptable.

That is what you want to believe. You believe that you automatically qualify as a patriot because of your religion and also get to judge my patriotism. So who gave you the authority to judge me?

This is an overused argument to put the blame on the person who criticizes society for whatever reason. The question to ask is why we muslims do not see India as a savior much less see it as a habitable state where we are safe though I would admit some Muslims left have become Indian (which is natural) over time.

Technically even I am a Lucknowi. My parents were born there. My mother came from there before being married and had lived there for the better part of her life. I was supposed to be sympathetic to India and Indians. No such luck.

2 arguments have been used which I would call a "wheel of oppression," which run India and are a tool to oppress minorities and keep them gullible.

1 One is whenever Indians see criticism from a member of the minority community they instantly label him as an anti Indian, anti Hindu minority. This has ensured that muslims can't stand for their rights neither can they criticize any law which goes against them. The cow slaughter ban hurts muslims most but not one muslim has come up and stood against it. One of the constant fears of a muslim is being told he is anti Indian. My cousin was constantly called a supporter of Pakistan in Lucknow. He decided in the end to say "yes I support Pakistan" in the end

2 Two is the "go to Pakistan" or "go elsewhere" argument. It is an argument used to say we won't improve things for muslims here at home so they should leave the country. On one hand you are refusing them rights and on the other you are telling them to go away if they want any.

I think myself lucky that Pakistani nationalism saved me because otherwise I would be a typical head nodding "Indian muslim," and would refuse to even once raise my voice against oppression of my people. This is why muslims left there should not give up faith in Pakistan. Lets say another gujarat genocide happens where will our people go, where will they find sympathy. Answer is Pakistan.

It doesn't matter whether my country is a better place for me to live or not. But it will remain my home irrespective of that. Is it not the same with you in spite of all the violence in your country? Would you prefer leaving your country because of all the hardships you face? And no I am not a "typical head nodding" Indian Muslim and you can see that through my posts on this forum.

 

[Indian_Devil]

Even high courts couldn't do nothing in some cases...recently a Muslim girl got killed for marrying a Hindu in Bijnore dist. .....and UP is the biggest culprit of honour killing

Muslim woman weds Hindu man, both killed - TOI Mobile | The Times of India Mobile Site

Very sad... but unless this news exposes evil Hindus who oppress minorities or some India Ki ijjat thrashing news, you can't get attention on PDF...

 

[Bornubus]

Very sad... but unless this news exposes evil Hindus who oppress minorities or some India Ki ijjat thrashing news, you can't get attention on PDF...

oppression of minority is a myth in India...and a disgusting victim card played by seculars.

 

[Indian_Devil]

oppression of minority is a myth in India...and a disgusting victim card played by seculars.

Even if not the myth, it is very very low in such a huge population of India... By the way, who are the seculars!? Are you referring our leaders as seculers or someone else?

I think myself lucky that Pakistani nationalism saved me because otherwise I would be a typical head nodding "Indian muslim," and would refuse to even once raise my voice against oppression of my people. This is why muslims left there should not give up faith in Pakistan. Lets say another gujarat genocide happens where will our people go, where will they find sympathy. Answer is Pakistan.

Heh... Wait that wasn't a joke?? Seriously? You are talking about raising voice against oppression... Huh where is you voice when Pakistan is climbing the stairs of being a "failed state" due to god knows what.
You people talk about Gujarat massacre where about 3000 people were killed including Hindus which ended in 3 days, But what about the blood thirst in your own country. Karachi being the worst victim as it seems even god have forgot that poor city... Being the best example in oppressing minorities converting Hindus and Christians, how could you say such blunt lies?? Fear the wrath of god...
Why do you think that India is the second most populous Muslim country... Huh
And what about the Hindu population in Islamic republic of Pakistan?..

 

[Guynextdoor2]

Strangely I have a question for a mallu right wing @$$hole that I wish to ask confidentially. This relates to religious conversions.

I can't believe I'm asking this @Marxist this one might be up your alley