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LAHORE: For most people, Kashmir is an intractable problem dividing India and Pakistan. What they don’t know is that the two countries have actually an accord on Kashmir ready and had almost unveiled it in 2007.

Khurshid Mahmud Kasuri, who was Pervez Musharraf’s foreign minister from 2002 to 2007, on Friday told The Times of India of this hush-hush deal that was cobbled together through secret parleys held in India, Pakistan and several foreign capitals for more than three years and could have resolved the sub-continent’s thorniest security and political dispute, had not the anti-Musharraf upsurge triggered by the sacking of the chief justice convulsed Pakistan.

Kasuri said he has never spoken of this track-II success earlier, other than saying that he knew of a possible way to resolve the Kashmir problem that was acceptable to both countries.

Kasuri said in an exclusive interview that negotiators from Islamabad and New Delhi had quietly toiled away for three years, talking to each other and Kashmiri representatives from the Indian side as well as Kashmiris settled overseas to reach what he described as the "only possible solution to the Kashmir issue".

He said the two sides had agreed to full demilitarisation of both Jammu & Kashmir as well as ***************** Kashmir, which Islamabad refers to as Azad Kashmir. In addition, a package of loose autonomy that stopped short of the ‘azadi’ and self-governance aspirations, had been agreed on and was to be introduced on both sides of the disputed frontier. "We agreed on a point between complete independence and autonomy," he said.

Kasuri said that both countries, realizing the sensitivity of such a deal, had agreed not to declare victory or tom-tom the negotiations. He said that hardline separatist Syed Ali Shah Gilani was the only Kashmiri leader who refused to come on board. "He would accept nothing but merger with Pakistan, which ironically is something we too wanted but knew wasn’t practical. I once had a seven-to-eight hour meeting with him and even Musharraf met him but he refused to budge," Kasuri said. He refused to give details of the stance other moderate Kashmiri leaders adopted.

Kasuri said almost all the actors on the Kashmiri stage were on board the accord that was to be signed during a visit by Prime Minister Manmohan Singh to Islamabad that was scheduled for February-March 2007 but never happened.

"I advised the president that inviting the PM at that time would not have been possible. And that we should wait for a more peaceful moment to announce the plan otherwise all the hard work of three years by the two sides would be wasted," he said, referring to the time when Musharraf was under siege by a country-wide lawyers’ campaign that had transformed itself into an anti-dictator movement. He said that since the Opposition was on a roll against Musharraf at that time, any peace plan would have been rejected by them as a "sell-out to India".

Kasuri — who is from one of the country’s pre-eminent political families and whose father drafted Pakistan’s constitution — refused to give details of other aspects of the solution or name Indian officials involved in the deal, saying that since he felt it was the only way Kashmir could be resolved, it could be starting point of next round of talks. He said the reason PM Gilani had appointed Riyaz Mohammed Khan, the foreign secretary under Kasuri, as the track-II special negotiator was because he was one of the key architects of the secret Kashmir pact.

Kashmir pact was just a signature away - India - The Times of India

I guess its not meant to be.
 
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thank god it didn't happen

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Yes Thank God indeed, because people like you exist and they can only be dealt with by hands, not words.

If you want it this way, we do not mind at all. Lets see how long this lasts for now.
 
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:lol:

Yes Thank God indeed, because people like you exist and they can only be dealt with by hands, not words.

If you want it this way, we do not mind at all. Lets see how long this lasts for now.

watever u say,we are securing our borders don't want sharing our states with the others and don't want impact of others on us.and kashmir is with india and it will remain 2 do so,again watever u say :chilli::chilli::chilli:
 
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Any formula acceptable to Kashmir, India and Pakistan with peace written on it as the corner stone should be acceptable to all of us.

P.S: This is a nice thread. Please ignore the trolls.
:cheers:
 
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watever u say,we are securing our borders don't want sharing our states with the others and don't want impact of others on us.and kashmir is with india and it will remain 2 do so,again watever u say :chilli::chilli::chilli:

Well, quite a big chunk of Kashmir is in Pakistan, why do you not take it back.

But whatever you say. Whatever that makes you feel happy. :cheers:
 
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watever u say,we are securing our borders don't want sharing our states with the others and don't want impact of others on us.and kashmir is with india and it will remain 2 do so,again watever u say :chilli::chilli::chilli:

Flanker, just read the article once again. This is exactly the formula Atal Bihari Vajpayee had in mind and if this is what the congress considered as an option too, we have a large consensus among the political class for moving towards peace with Pakistan. I think India, Pakistan Bangladesh and China can do a lot more together than against one another.
:cheers:
 
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Well, quite a big chunk of Kashmir is in Pakistan, why do you not take it back.

But whatever you say. Whatever that makes you feel happy. :cheers:

another thread down the drain. We may aswell close it if this is all we get.:coffee:
 
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Any formula acceptable to Kashmir, India and Pakistan with peace written on it as the corner stone should be acceptable to all of us.

P.S: This is a nice thread. Please ignore the trolls.
:cheers:

The best thing is that at least there is some sort of agreement that can bring in peace to the region. That is a good start, few more years and you never know.

Lets be hopeful and keep our fingers cross.
 
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People dont realise how costly this dispute actually is and how vulnerable it makes us to meddling by foreign powers. The real insanity is that some people insist Kashmir is not an issue and think we can keep going on like this.
 
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People dont realise how costly this dispute actually is and how vulnerable it makes us to meddling by foreign powers. The real insanity is that some people insist Kashmir is not an issue and think we can keep going on like this.

yes this is true,but everybody wants it according to their own req,needs:agree::agree:
 
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Any treaty changing the land borders which exist at the moment is not acceptalbe to india, anything else is fine. That's the agreement which was almost reached between pakistan and India, but could not be signed.

No change in borders, more autonomy to all regions of Kashmir ( both Indian Held and Pakistan Held), Free movement of Goods and Maximul flexibility in the movement of people. Withdrawl of Armed forces in both the regions.
 
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Flanker, just read the article once again. This is exactly the formula Atal Bihari Vajpayee had in mind and if this is what the congress considered as an option too, we have a large consensus among the political class for moving towards peace with Pakistan. I think India, Pakistan Bangladesh and China can do a lot more together than against one another.
:cheers:

Can you summarize the formula in 2-3 lines....i could not get the formula after reading the Txt
 
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Any treaty changing the land borders which exist at the moment is not acceptalbe to india, anything else is fine.

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well this is not acceptable to PAKISTAN! i mean this is india's stand not ours! this argument cannot be settled without changing the borders!
 
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http://www.defence.pk/forums/kashmir-war/55468-kashmir-solution-just-signature-away-kasuri.html

This news was posted in the Kashmir section as well. The BJP solution was to "partition" J&K on the chenab river, basically into hindu majority jammu, Ladakh as buddhist majority. And Kashmir valley being seperated as an jointly managed independent entity with defence pacts. This was a wrong solution and so Vajpayee was obviously hesitant in signing up on it so close to general elections.


Manmohan Singh's govt. worked on the no new borders formula where the border becomes irrelevant. The concept that this dispute makes the sub-continent vulnerable for foreign interference is very true. Just look at NATO interfering all the way here in Afghanistan when it should be a regional solution with local powers helping in stabilizing the situation. This is the same story where forgiven powers would come in the sub-Continent and ally with one kingdom to defeat the other. Like how the British allied with the Marathas and Nizam of Hyderabad to defeat Tipu Sultan, and then allied with the Nizam to defeat the Marathas and then finally left the Nizam of Hyderabad and all the other nominal rulers and maharajahs as mere puppets.

This seems to be more or less the contours of the solution. Only Geelani opposes this solution which makes me wonder weather he wants peace or wants to satisfy his ego. Obviously no govt. should sell the solution as a victory to their people but as a compromise in the better interests of all people involved.

But before we can go there we have to restart the composite dialogue and before that can happen we need some solid convictions and concrete steps on the mumbai attacks case.
 
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