Karo Kari in Pakistan

[Demolition man]

Guys I happened to come across this piece of news about Karo kari in pakistan in net. I have heard about it before but never thought this would be still practiced in modern day Pakistan

Aren't there any NGOs or Women welfare organisations in Pakistan to fight this out ? I believe there will be some laws in Pakistan that prohibits these kinds of barbaric acts... if so how come these things are happening ?

Please see below news in Blue from Asianews.

Islamabad (AsiaNews) – Honour crimes are an archaic practice in Pakistan. Although precise figures are hard to obtain, especially for the more remote rural and tribal areas, Pakistan is thought to hold the world record in honour crimes.

Karo kari is a compound word literally meaning "black male" and "black female," metaphoric terms for adulterer and adulteress. Being so labelled leads more often than not to the murder of both man and woman allegedly guilty of having an illicit affair. This is especially true in the rural areas of the southern province of Sindh. In other parts of the country, women are more likely to be accused of sexual improprieties and murdered in order to wash the sullied family honour.

Official data recently published by the Pakistani Senate show that more than 4,000 people died in the last 6 years as result of karo-kari. Of the victims almost 2,800 were women and just over 1,300 were men. Thus twice as many women as men lose their lives to this most barbaric social custom.

The data show that the highest number of karo kari killings were perpetrated in Punjab province followed by Sindh, the North-West Frontier Province (NWFP), and the south-western province of Baluchistan. Some non governmental and media sources suggest that prior to 1998 Sindh topped the list.

Of the 2,774 murdered women, 1,578 were killed in Punjab, 751 in Sindh, 260 in NWFP and 185 in Baluchistan. Of the 1,327 murdered men, 675 were killed in Punjab, 348 in Sindh, 188 in NWFP and 116 in Baluchistan.

Although 4101 people were victims of honour killings only 3,451 cases were brought before the courts: 1.834 in Punjab, 980 in Sindh, 361 in NWFP and 276 in Baluchistan.

Interior Minister Faisal Saleh Hayat and Law Minister Raza Hayat Hiraj speaking before the Senate said the government would soon table a bill banning honour crimes and karo kari. Parliament began debating on Tuesday, July 20, an amendment to the Penal Code introduced by the Pakistan People's Party-Parliamentarians (PPPP) that would impose long sentences to anyone guilty of honour crimes and karo kari. The PPPP's action was also intended to block attempts by other parties to leave the matter outside the purview of the Law.

The PPPP's Chaudhry Aitzaz Ahsan, speaking in favour of the amendment, said the Pakistan Penal Code should be changed so as to rid the law books of honour crimes and karo kari. He insisted that honour killings are murders and guilty parties should be punished with a life sentence. He urged legislators belonging to the Muttahida Majlis-e-Amal, a six- party Islamic alliance, as well as religious groups to support the amendment. He insisted that it was high time that Shariah law come under closer scrutiny to stop it from being abused.

 

[Awesome]

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It probably happens with the high crime rate in Pakistan and the general attitude of rural people to deal things in their own ancestral way rather than in courts. You can introduce all kinds of anti- this n that laws, but till they are not implemented, the plight of the innocent victims wont change.

 

[Righteous_Fire]

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It probably happens with the high crime rate in Pakistan and the general attitude of rural people to deal things in their own ancestral way rather than in courts. You can introduce all kinds of anti- this n that laws, but till they are not implemented, the plight of the innocent victims wont change.

Rightly said, sane humane laws exist for any and every important issue, social, economic etc. etc. The problem is always with their implementation.

Where it involves the rural masses, their reach and awareness of the use of the courts is almost non-existent. This applies even more to certain rural areas in Sindh and Balochistan. As they lag behind in many sectors of reform.

But, as much as these incidents are reported avidly whenever they happen, this is a false reflection of Pakistan and its society as compared to the world in general. On a pure crime per 1000 or other statistical indexes, Pakistan is still way below the crime rate than India or the States.

Just as stating how many women are raped per minute in the States would not be a fair comparison as regards countries with smaller populations, so too, such reports against Pakistan reflect the true nature of over all crime here.

 

[Demolition man]

link?

It probably happens with the high crime rate in Pakistan and the general attitude of rural people to deal things in their own ancestral way rather than in courts. You can introduce all kinds of anti- this n that laws, but till they are not implemented, the plight of the innocent victims wont change.

Here is the link
PAKISTAN Honour killing and "karo kari" in Pakistan - Asia News

 

[Demolition man]

No you are wrong... Pakistan way ahead in the crime rates than USA and India. India is better than USA. Pls see the link below

List of countries by intentional homicide rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Righteous_Fire]

No you are wrong... Pakistan way ahead in the crime rates than USA and India. India is better than USA. Pls see the link below

List of countries by intentional homicide rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Bro! Incomplete research! please go to your own source, and WIKI is not reliable, you have posted wrong data for Pakistan, which is only for the year 2000, that source is incomplete, your argument is incomplete.

Next time, before you post such claims, try to be accurate.

 

[Righteous_Fire]

Let me help you out in your discrepancies:

The reliability of underlying national homicide rate data may vary

legal definition of ‘homicide’ differs among countries.

may or may not include assault leading to death, infanticide and assisted suicide or euthanasia.

demographics are affected by changes in trauma care, leading to changed lethality of violent assaults, so the homicide rate may not necessarily indicate the overall level of societal violence.

Pakistan 2000 = 6.86 where is 2001-2009

most importantly, you say:

No Pakistan waaaaay ahead!!!

A question from you would be: have you had to face drone attacks, deaths like those in Swat and Waziristan, blasts, etc. etc. ??


You havent even posted actual India Pak rape statistics at all!!

 

[Righteous_Fire]

What would you say to articles like these:

Tourists Beware - India, a Major Rape Destination​

India major rape destination

Since 1971, the incidence of rape in India has increased by a whopping 734%.


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In India, there have been 1,259 dowry-related murders in the last 3 years, according to official government statistics. This estimate is widely regarded as low.

India murders


And that is just dowry related murders DUDE


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stats on court cases, murder and jails in India
- pending court cases country wide: more than 20 million (end of 2002)
- persons in jail waiting for trial: over 1 million (end of 2002)
- conviction rate of court cases: around 1 percent (according to Prem Shankar Jha)
- number of murders in India between 1998 and 2000: 37,170
- murders committed in Uttar Pradesh: 7,200 to 7,500 per year [HT Jun 04]
- occupancy of Muzzafarnagar district jail in UP: 1,155 prisoners (oct 03)
- capacity of Muzzafarnagar district jail in UP: 530 prisoners (oct 03)
- number of prisoners jailed in 60 prisons in Uttar Pradesh: 50,939 (oct 03)

various crime statistics and data
- people who died instantly in Bhopal on 2-3 Dec 1984 from the Union Carbide gas
leak: 1,700 [HT May 04]
- people who have died since Dec 1984 from after effects from the Union Carbide
gas leak in Bhopal: 22,000 [HT May 04]
- people who continue to suffer from varied diseases affecting respiratory,
reproductive systems as a result of the 1984 Union Carbide gas leak in Bhopal:
570,000 [HT May 04]
- * number of persons reported missing in Nithari (impoverished area
in Noida, Delhi): 41 within 2 years [REU Jan 07]
- * number of cases of kidnapping, murder and rape registered by the CBI in
Noida relating to suspected serial killers Moninder Singh Pandher and
Surendra Koli: 19 (CBI: (Central Bureau of Investigation) [REU Jan 07]
- * number of polythene bags containing body parts found in drains near the
suspect: 40 [REU Jan 07]
- number of policemen in Delhi: 59,077 [HT Jun 04]
- number of finials missing at the Red Fort Delhi Gate: 10 (originals could fetch each
about 33,600 Euro on black market)
- drop in crime in Delhi Nov 2003 (compared to Nov 2002): murder: -36 % --
robbery: -23 % -- extortion: -73 % -- rioting: -70 %
- number of crimes in the Chambal ravines (UP) within past 5 years: approx 4,000
kidnappings & 180 murders (The UP government has proposed to combat crimes and
bandits in the Chambal ravines by setting up a 371 acre lion safari park with 5 lions to
attract tourists) [BBC, Aug 2005]

crime in Government / corruption
- candidates facing criminal charges in the Oct 2004 Maharashtra election: 91 out
of 163 Shiv Sena party candidates -- 45 out of 111 BJP candidates -- 31 out of 124
Nationalist Congress party candidates -- 30 out of 157 Congress candidates [BBC Oct 04]
- number of UP candidates with a criminal record who made it to the 14th Lok
Sabha: at least 12 [HT May 04]
- number of Uttar Pradesh's MLAs who have been through processes of the law
reserved for criminals: 205 (of a total of 403 MLAs - Member of the Legislative
Assembly) [HT beginning 2004]
- amount of money taken by MPs in recent "cash for questions" scandal:
232 - 10,000 US Dollars in bribes for asking questions in parliament [BBC, Dec 2005]
- number of MPs suspended by India's main political parties for taking bribes,
end 2005: 9 (Congress: 1 -- BJP: 5 -- BSP: 3) [BBC, Dec 2005]

some facts on laws, sentences & Court rules
- legal sentence for homosexuality: 10 years prison [BBC, Jan 2006]
- age of the colonial Indian Penal Code dealing with homosexuality: 145 years
[BBC, Jan 2006]
- year in which a petition for legalising homosexuality was dismissed by the High
Court in Delhi: 2004 [BBC, Jan 2006]
- year in which the High Court in Delhi overturned the 1914 legislation and ruled
that women should be allowed to serve alcohol in public: 2005 [BBC, Jan 2006]

"missing person" tourist stats
- number of registered "person gone missing" in the Kulu Valley (HP) since 1992: 15
- estimated foreigners disappearance in the Kulu Valley (HP) for the past decade: 50
(estimate by UK based pressure group Fair Trials Abroad)
- "mysterious" tourist deaths in Goa (jan 2003 - apr 2004): 59

data on crime against women
- official punishment for sex selection (i.e. abortion if child is female): 3 years jail +
50,000 Rupees fine (equiv to 960 Euro)
- loss of female births within past 2 decades caused by abortion and sex selection:
estimate of more than 10 million [BBC, Jan 2006]
- annual 'girl deficit' due to prenatal sex selection and selective abortion: 500,000
according to researchers for the Lancet Journal [BBC, Jan 2006]
- rape cases pending in courts across the country: 56,000 [Oct 2003]
- * registered cases of rape in Delhi 2004: 550 [BBC, Aug 2005]
- rape cases in Delhi 2002: convicted: 98 -- acquitted: 344
- age of rape victims in Delhi: 75% are minors, and of those 25 % are below 12 years
- registered cases of eve-teasing for Mar - Aug 2003 in Indian metropoles: Delhi: 744
-- Mumbai:27 -- Kolkata:30 -- Chennai:143
- cases of rape for Mar - Aug 2003 in Indian metropoles: Delhi: 262 -- Mumbai: 40
-- Kolkata: 18 -- Chennai: 21
- officially recorded dowry deaths in major cities combined (Delhi, Mumbai, Calcutta,
Chennai): 2002: 181 -- 2001: 121
- cases of crimes against women registered with the police in Himachal Pradesh
2002: 920 (including 137 for rape, 138 for kidnap, 6 for dowry)
- Haryana cost of buffalo: 18,000 - 24,000 Rs (approx 345 - 460 Euro)
- Haryana cost of girl (human trafficking): 4000 Rs (approx 77 Euro)

some crime statistics of Himachal Pradesh
- number of cases of crime in HP from Apr 2003 to May 2004: 1,617 registered cases
- top on the Human Rights violators' list in Himachal Pradesh: Police (HP Human
Rights Commission received 148 complaints involving police, that is 43 percent of the
complaints)
- cases registered under the NDPS Act in HP: 2002: 312 -- 2003:310
(NDPS: Narcotics, Drugs & Psychotropic Substances) [HT Mar 04]
- amount of drugs recovered by police in HP: 2002: 720 kg charas, 35 kg opium
-- 2003: 420 kg charas, 35 kg opium, 1.5 kg brown sugar
- number of police personnel involved in the annual "Destroy Cannabis" operation
in the village of Malana in HP Sep 2004: team of 200 people from Narcotics Control
Bureau, Kullu police and Home Guards [HT Sep 04]

stats on "Destroy Cannabis" operation in Malana Sep 2003 in HP
- cannabis growing area destroyed in Malana and surrounding: 1,100 bigha
(1 hectare = 12 bigha)
- duration of operation "Destroy Cannabis": 8 days (15 - 23 september)
- number of police or soldiers or helpers: 250 or more
- longest cannabis plant found: 15 feet 7 inches
- possible production from destroyed area: 300 kg charas
- area of destruction of cannabis fields in previous years: 1998: 939 bighas
-- 1999: 224 bighas -- 2000: 1,200 bighas -- 2002: 676 bighas (1 hectare = 12 bigha)


India judicial & crime statistics | neoncarrot travelog


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I could go on and on but you wont like it

As I said, this horrible data about India like the one you posted about Pakistan is statistically not truly indicative of the actual situation as compared to other countries.