Kargil: Indian Army in commanding position on LoC

[Jackdaws]

Good job improving the infrastructure. I doubt Pak will try such stunts again but you never know. Last time, Nawaz ran to Clinton to bail them out - I doubt anyone would expect Trump to do so.

 

[Maarkhoor]

and the highest honor awarded to person who was alive. they can built infrastructure for Pakistanies as much as they want.

We interuded on 5 points and till the war end India fighting with us only 2 points and till today we are deep inside Kargil and already build posts their....look at Kargil pics even India claims that they have captured weatherproof carbon fiber bunker....and now they are claiming that we don't have bunkers and their soldiers are living in 5 star bunkers...lolss daal tak tu sahi dete nahien bunkar kahan se dyen gey.

 

[Osiris]

We interuded on 5 points and till the war end India fighting with us only 2 points and till today we are deep inside Kargil and already build posts their....look at Kargil pics even India claims that they have captured weatherproof carbon fiber bunker....and now they are claiming that we don't have bunkers and their soldiers are living in 5 star bunkers...lolss daal tak tu sahi dete nahien bunkar kahan se dyen gey.

Deep inside? how deep inside are you? Not even a few hundred meters, if even that.

If you want to understand what 'deep' really means, you should look at Siachen - capturing 8000 square Kilometers and holding on to it or for that matter East Pakistan - but that would be a metaphorical equivalent entering from behind and reaching the throat.

A fact not well know to most is that much of Kargil was under Pakistani control after 1948 cease fire. It was only 1965 and 71 wars, that India conquered Kargil and has held to it.

 

[Maarkhoor]

Deep inside? how deep inside are you? Not even a few hundred meters, if even that.

Well deep inside where you feel it and start crying, for an example our Gen Musharraf spend a night with soldiers 28 kilometers inside Indian claimed territory.

 

[Osiris]

Well deep inside where you feel it and start crying, for an example our Gen Musharraf spend a night with soldiers 28 kilometers inside Indian claimed territory.

He spent a night 28 Km inside India- okay, our soldiers spends their entire lives in thousands of kilometers inside Pakistani claimed territory.
Is that why you cry every day about Siachen, Kashmir? Because it hurts so much?

 

[Maarkhoor]

He spent a night 28 Km inside India- okay, our soldiers spends their entire lives in thousands of kilometers inside Pakistani claimed territory.
Is that why you cry every day about Siachen, Kashmir? Because it hurts so much?

Cry me a river kid since we are still in better position at Kargil since we are still in control of heights inside Indian claimed land....for Siachin it was no mans land and India adventured it and now more suffering...in comparison to our expenditure in Siachin for every single dollar from our side India is spending 7 times more since we have captured natural routs but India have to use helicopter all the time.

 

[Osiris]

Cry me a river kid since we are still in better position at Kargil since we are still in control of heights inside Indian claimed land....for Siachin it was no mans land and India adventured it and now more suffering...in comparison to our expenditure in Siachin for every single dollar from our side India is spending 7 times more since we have captured natural routs but India have to use helicopter all the time.

Sorry chums, but you are gravely mistaken. You are not in Kargil, just like how, you are not in Siachen. Both these territories are firmly in Indian hands, and there is nothing in this world you can do about it.

Our economy is 10 times the size of your economy and our defense budget in 7 times the size of your defense budget. And we believe, no price is too high to defend your motherland, you keep counting pennies, while we will keep slicing territories from under your control and adding to ours. When you try do the same, you will fail, just as you did in Kargil.
Because we are stronger than you and we are better you, at this.

 

[Maarkhoor]

Sorry chums, but you are gravely mistaken. You are not in Kargil, just like how, you are not in Siachen. Both these territories are firmly in Indian hands, and there is nothing in this world you can do about it.

Our economy is 10 times the size of your economy and our defense budget in 7 times the size of your defense budget. And we believe, no price is too high to defend your motherland, you keep counting pennies, while we will keep slicing territories from under your control and adding to ours. When you try do the same, you will fail, just as you did in Kargil.
Because we are stronger than you and we are better you, at this.

Lols you proved me correct you have zero knowledge of ground and have a brain smaller then nut....don't quote me further can't waste my time on you.

 

[Osiris]

Lols you proved me correct you have zero knowledge of ground and have a brain smaller then nut....don't quote me further can't waste my time on you.

Insults are only offered by those, who can not debate on facts, good that bow out now, for you have nothings else left to offer.

 

[khail007]

But ... never in command.
If they are ever in command then there should be no 'Rona Dhona'.
Their all propaganda is to satisfy their wet dreams which were never fulfilled by determination and courage of Pakistan.
In short they are suffering from fear from within and to overcome it, they need such stuff from time to time to relax them from their mental disease.

 

[Crystal-Clear]

Sorry chums, but you are gravely mistaken. You are not in Kargil, just like how, you are not in Siachen. Both these territories are firmly in Indian hands, and there is nothing in this world you can do about it.

update your self . .
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ignore my comment if you are a rss bhakt.

But ... never in command.
If they are ever in command then there should be no 'Rona Dhona'.
Their all propaganda is to satisfy their wet dreams which were never fulfilled by determination and courage of Pakistan.
In short they are suffering from fear from within and to overcome it, they need such stuff from time to time to relax them from their mental disease.

yeap totally agree with you , they post such articles as a balm . recntly they lost 3 soldiers and 1 officer (dont know about unofficial figure ) .
.
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when reality strikes they start posting such article . bahkto ko haddi detey hain .

 

[Flash_Ninja]

Our economy is 10 times the size of your economy and our defense budget in 7 times the size of your defense budget. And we believe, no price is too high to defend your motherland, you keep counting pennies, while we will keep slicing territories from under your control and adding to ours. When you try do the same, you will fail, just as you did in Kargil.

How shameful is for Indians that a country with 10 times smaller economy and 7 times smaller military budget, is holding 40% of one of Indias most strategic and "integral province"

 

[Cuirassier]

Let the Indians try.

 

[Imran Khan]

Point 5353 still under Pak occupation: brig (Retd.) Surinder Singh
Chandigarh, June 07: Rejecting the Subramaniam Committee set up to go into Kargil war, a retired Brigadier who was Brigade Commander in Kargil on Monday alleged that a "strategic and important" post in Drass Sector was still under the occupation of Pakistan.

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Chandigarh, June 07: Rejecting the Subramaniam Committee set up to go into Kargil war, a retired Brigadier who was Brigade Commander in Kargil on Monday alleged that a "strategic and important" post in Drass Sector was still under the occupation of Pakistan.
"Adjacent to Tiger Hill, a post 5353 which is about 300 metres inside LoC in the Indian territory is occupied by enemies," Brig (Retd) Surinder Singh, who was the first to make public the intrusion by Pakistan during the Kargil war, told reporters here.

Seeking a judicial probe by a sitting judge into the Subramaniam Review Committee, he sought Defence Minister Pranab Mukherjee`s intervention into the "authenticity" on the presence of Pakistan soldiers at Point 5353.

The committee was set up to "cover up government`s failure and save the army`s top brass," he alleged.

Recalling his days of battlefield during Kargil war, Singh said when he was attacking tiger hill and tololing with his troops a few Pakistani soldiers fired upon them from Point 5353. "Pakistan has started developing at the post (Point 5353) and it was informed to the right authorities at an appropriate time," he added.

To substantiate his assertion that enemy is still at point 5353, Singh said he had satellite images showing the presence of enemy at the post.

"The Indian Army could not capture this post during the Kargil war and the claims of the then government on it were false," he alleged.

He demanded that during the next round of bilateral talks with Pakistan the issue of Point 5353 must be raised. "It has to be cleared of enemy occupation as from this point troops movement along Kargil-Drass and Srinagar-Kargil could be captured by sitting at proper heights."

Singh said Former Defence Minister George Fernandes had made incorrect statements on Point 5353 and even went to the extent of saying that such a post did not exist.

Bureau Report

 

[Thorough Pro]

Indian Army in commanding position on LoC now
Shaurya Karanbir Gurung | ET Bureau |
Jul 29, 2018, 14:16 IST


On Thursday, the Northern Army Commander Lt Gen Ranbir Singh explained a substantial improvement in infrastructure, including surveillance, night vision, fighting capabilities and modernisation since the Kargil war.
LINE OF CONTROL (DRAS): From adequate road infrastructure for movement of troops and supplies to new types of tunnel defences and a high technology surveillance apparatus, India has moved on from the Kargil war 19 years ago, even though intelligence inputs suggest that not much has changed on the Pakistani side of the Line of Control (LoC).
While basic facilities like regular water supply and electricity remain a problem, troops have access to more comfortable lodging and an adequate stocking of ration and medical equipment during winters so that even posts located at altitudes ranging from 12,000 feet to over 18,000 feet are not vacated in the winter season, which lasts for about six to seven months.
On the Pakistani side, sources said the infrastructure is much inferior with vulnerable radio communication lines and accommodation that is still made of stones, unlike the Indian army which mainly uses Fibre Reinforced Plastic (FRP) huts to ensure that its soldiers remain warm.
Officers deployed in this region explain that such difficulties, and the fact that posts are not vacated for 10 months at a stretch indicate that the Pakistan forces face low morale on their side of the LoC in the region.
Lt Gen Amarnath Aul (retd), the then local Brigade commander in Dras and who had overseen operations for capturing Tololing and Tiger Hill, told ET that during that time the biggest problem he had faced was that he didn’t have enough intelligence on the enemy’s location and strength. “This was the biggest information I lacked before I could launch any operations. When we have arrived in Dras, most of the villagers had run away due to the enemy shelling. We had asked them about the enemy’s strength, but the information they gave was very bleak.” Senior officers say that this has now been addressed with adequate usage of surveillance devices such as Hand Held Thermal Imagers, Unmanned Aerial Vehicles and even gets satellite imagery much more quickly than it did in the past.

On Thursday, the Northern Army Commander Lt Gen Ranbir Singh explained a substantial improvement in infrastructure, including surveillance, night vision, fighting capabilities and modernisation since the Kargil war.
On road infrastructure, there has been slow improvement since 1999, with the 430 km long Srinagar-Leh highway called NH1 – believed to be the primary target of the Pakistani attack that sought to cut off Leh and Siachen from the rest of India – being converted into a double lane road last year.
The highway connects Srinagar to Sonamarg, Zojila pass, Drass, Kargil and Leh and features such as Tiger Hill and Tololing overlooking the highway were illegally occupied by the Pakistani armed forces personnel during the Kargil war, leading to constant surveillance of Indian troops movement and shelling of the road.
Work is also on to construct two tunnels- a tunnel in Sonamarg and the Zojila tunnel. The new road and tunnel through Zojila- a pass located at about 14,000 feet and where Indian Army had used tanks against Pakistani soldiers in 1947-48- is of strategic importance as it will provide for all weather connectivity to Ladakh independent of NH-1A and is likely to be constructed in the next five years. The project will cut transportation time by eighty-percent.

In 1999, road infrastructure was bad, consisting of only rough tracks. Veterans who have served in the war also admitted that during the war sending supplies to troops were a major problem due to lack of good roads. These have now been replaced with paved roads for easy mobility.
The military has also spearheaded plans to have other routes leading to Leh and Kargil, given that the NH1 is vulnerable to enemy fire. Work is on to create a Darcha-Padam-Nimu road, which will connect Manali to Leh, for which a tunnel at Shinkhunla pass is under construction. Thus within a few years India will have three roads to connect with Ladakh and Siachen in comparison to just one in 1999 and hence vastly improving the supply lines for the army.

Sources explain that the number of units and formations have also increased as compared to the strength in 1999. They also said that in some sectors instructions have been passed to ensure that troops don’t vacate the posts during winters. “We are not taking any chances. Most of the strategic peaks and passes on our side of the Line of Control are constantly occupied by us,” explained an officer.
In the past, several posts which would be cut off due to snow during winters were vacated as sustaining troops here became very difficult. Now, the army is attempting to regularly clear the snow from the logistical lines to the posts to ensure longer sustenance of troops.
The Northern Army Commander also confirmed that routes to posts are being opened. “As far as infrastructure is concerned since the past couple of years a lot of work has been done. Today, we are trying to make roads till most of our forward posts. We are also trying to create a helipad on every post, so that in case of emergency we can bring down our troops by helicopters,” he said.
But, this is an uphill task, explained sources. “Winters in this region witnesses about a couple of feet of snowfall everyday. Although machines to remove the snow are there, but it is not available everywhere, so jawans have to stomp on the snow regularly to create passages,” explained sources.