Karachi will be part of India one day,We believe in 'Akhand Bharat' : BJP

[masterchief_mirza]

What about the words of mr max muller
"If we trust to these facts and if as Professor Sayce suggests this vegetable fibre was cotton and was called sindhu by the Babylonians because it came from the river Sindhu i.e. from India this would prove the presence of Sanskrit-speaking Âryas in India about at least 3000 B.C. "

This racial theory of the 19th century assumed that blonde blue-eyed warriors on horse-drawn chariots smashed their way into India by overpowering the cities of the Indus Valley, enslaving their people. This aryan invasion theory explained the collapse of the Indus Valley cities and the ubiquitous caste system of India. This theory was however part of the European propaganda machinery. The Germans used it as part of nationalist mythology, celebrating their pre-Semitic Nazi heritage. The British used it to delegitimize Hindus, claiming that ‘upper caste’ Hindus were as much invaders and conquerors of India, as Muslims and Europeans, and so they have no moral right to claim India as homeland.

A period when the cities of the Indus-Saraswati valleys had already declined. These cities were first established as early as 8,000 years ago, as per current evidence, but after thriving for nearly 3,000 years, had collapsed following climactic change and poor agricultural patterns. The Aryans brought the PIE language with them,
But not quite the Vedas.

1. Let me explain this again very carefully and slowly for you and your emoji buddies. There is nothing new here. We know full well Aryan *influence* in the subcontinent wasn't magically limited to a solitary episode. All these groups had contact with one another and undoubtedly exchanged ideas or traded well before the mass enslavement episode. This isn't unusual or unknown. Note the specific reference to the river Sindhu, I.e. the civilised race that lived there. Do You know who they were? Shall I remind you yet again that these people from ancient Pakistani lands were your fathers? There is a good possibility that my ancestors knew of cotton and used an Aryan word for it through their trade and contact with others - no harm in this. We use the words of many different nations in our lexicon. Urdu itself is related to Sanskrit, the language of A FOREIGNER. The *shame* of using foreign words is reserved for hindus of Hindustan sadly, as you cannot tolerate such normal evolutionary process. The presence of the Aryan word for cotton in the ivc proves social contact between those peoples. It doesn't somehow disprove that the same Aryans later decided to ENSLAVE the peoples of the Ganges through the invention of a caste hierarchy. It is a shame they didn't teach you the word for cotton while they taught you the Vedas though - presumably it wasn't needed for people living in mud huts.

2. For the UMPTEENTH TIME, nobody has said there was necessarily a violent invasion of your ancestral gangetic plains. It is perfectly plausible, in fact it is more likely, that NOBODY FROM YOUR MUDHUT DWELLING ANCESTORS MOUNTED ANY SORT OF COORDINATED DEFENCE BUT RATHER BOWED DOWN AND PROSTRATED BEFORE THIS ADVANCED RACE AS SOON AS THEY ARRIVED. There should be no shame for you in this. The Aztecs did the same when they saw the Spanish.

Now separately to that, whether or not there was violence towards your mudhut civilisation, we know for certain that the IVC collapsed. Hindu revisionists - who have tried to claim IVC as their own - also feel perpetual shame over this theorised destruction of IVC.

Now it doesn't bother Pakistanis either way.

Read that and re-read it every day.

Either we were ransacked or some flood/drought hit us - whatever is more palatable for Indian Hindus, we really aren't bothered. Shall I tell you the big secret of why we aren't bothered?? Because our legacy endured. Almost everyone in the subcontinent has some portion of IVC DNA in them (but notably, everyone does NOT have gangetic native DNA in them - your earlier Roma example was laughable as it simply confirmed the ubiquity of IVC DNA but did nothing for your ancestors' reputation!). Our cities were lost to barbarians (or droughts if that makes you happy) but our people endured. Some have theorised that Indus Valley elites entered the Deccan and south indian regions rather than north India in order to avoid confrontation with gangetics but that's another story and requires its own thread.

Pakistanis, like the great nations of the world, are fully cognizant of the reality that our nation has changed hands many times. This has brought us our rich and varied history.

While Indian Hindus continue to cry over facts about foreign invaders/enslavers and continue to obsessively edit history to whitewash any speak of "foreign invasion" or "foreign influence", the world simply laughs at you dumb inferiority driven half breeds.

Do you think Brits, or Arabs, or Turks, or Chinese, or Germans care that their history included bloodshed, invasions, counter-invasions and violence? Of course not. Perhaps it is the fact that Hindustan has very rarely successfully defended itself against foreigners that irks you, I don't know, but really, I don't care - everyone has a bloody and colourful history - it's only Indian Hindus who sit up crying about it.

I hope you've learned a bit more about Pakistanis during our exchange and perhaps, you've learned a bit more about yourself, hopefully to improve your social outlook. After all, we're all here to better ourselves, whether that improvement comes from within or without shouldn't really matter. Good luck tree swinger. I hope you find peace with your colourful history. Remember the IVC is Pakistan's - so don't go trying to steal it and pretend it's "Indian"! We're watching you.

 

[Enigma SIG]

1. Let me explain this again very carefully and slowly for you and your emoji buddies. There is nothing new here. We know full well Aryan *influence* in the subcontinent wasn't magically limited to a solitary episode. All these groups had contact with one another and undoubtedly exchanged ideas or traded well before the mass enslavement episode. This isn't unusual or unknown. Note the specific reference to the river Sindhu, I.e. the civilised race that lived there. Do You know who they were? Shall I remind you yet again that these people from ancient Pakistani lands were your fathers? There is a good possibility that my ancestors knew of cotton and used an Aryan word for it through their trade and contact with others - no harm in this. We use the words of many different nations in our lexicon. Urdu itself is related to Sanskrit, the language of A FOREIGNER. The *shame* of using foreign words is reserved for hindus of Hindustan sadly, as you cannot tolerate such normal evolutionary process. The presence of the Aryan word for cotton in the ivc proves social contact between those peoples. It doesn't somehow disprove that the same Aryans later decided to ENSLAVE the peoples of the Ganges through the invention of a caste hierarchy. It is a shame they didn't teach you the word for cotton while they taught you the Vedas though - presumably it wasn't needed for people living in mud huts.

2. For the UMPTEENTH TIME, nobody has said there was necessarily a violent invasion of your ancestral gangetic plains. It is perfectly plausible, in fact it is more likely, that NOBODY FROM YOUR MUDHUT DWELLING ANCESTORS MOUNTED ANY SORT OF COORDINATED DEFENCE BUT RATHER BOWED DOWN AND PROSTRATED BEFORE THIS ADVANCED RACE AS SOON AS THEY ARRIVED. There should be no shame for you in this. The Aztecs did the same when they saw the Spanish.

Now separately to that, whether or not there was violence towards your mudhut civilisation, we know for certain that the IVC collapsed. Hindu revisionists - who have tried to claim IVC as their own - also feel perpetual shame over this theorised destruction of IVC.

Now it doesn't bother Pakistanis either way.

Read that and re-read it every day.

Either we were ransacked or some flood/drought hit us - whatever is more palatable for Indian Hindus, we really aren't bothered. Shall I tell you the big secret of why we aren't bothered?? Because our legacy endured. Almost everyone in the subcontinent has some portion of IVC DNA in them (but notably, everyone does NOT have gangetic native DNA in them - your earlier Roma example was laughable as it simply confirmed the ubiquity of IVC DNA but did nothing for your ancestors' reputation!). Our cities were lost to barbarians (or droughts if that makes you happy) but our people endured. Some have theorised that Indus Valley elites entered the Deccan and south indian regions rather than north India in order to avoid confrontation with gangetics but that's another story and requires its own thread.

Pakistanis, like the great nations of the world, are fully cognizant of the reality that our nation has changed hands many times. This has brought us our rich and varied history.

While Indian Hindus continue to cry over facts about foreign invaders/enslavers and continue to obsessively edit history to whitewash any speak of "foreign invasion" or "foreign influence", the world simply laughs at you dumb inferiority driven half breeds.

Do you think Brits, or Arabs, or Turks, or Chinese, or Germans care that their history included bloodshed, invasions, counter-invasions and violence? Of course not. Perhaps it is the fact that Hindustan has very rarely successfully defended itself against foreigners that irks you, I don't know, but really, I don't care - everyone has a bloody and colourful history - it's only Indian Hindus who sit up crying about it.

I hope you've learned a bit more about Pakistanis during our exchange and perhaps, you've learned a bit more about yourself, hopefully to improve your social outlook. After all, we're all here to better ourselves, whether that improvement comes from within or without shouldn't really matter. Good luck tree swinger. I hope you find peace with your colourful history. Remember the IVC is Pakistan's - so don't go trying to steal it and pretend it's "Indian"! We're watching you.

Momin hai to be tegh bi larta hai sipahi!
Someone give this man a cookie.