Kamlesh Tiwari murder: UP Police says case solved, remarks on Prophet Muhammad behind killing

[Vikki]

Uttar Pradesh Police has claimed to solve the sensational Kamlesh Tiwari murder case. Uttar Pradesh Director General of Police(DGP), OP Singh addressed a press conference in Lucknow in connection with Kamlesh Tiwari murder case.

OP Singh said, "A joint team of UP and Gujarat Police has detained 3 persons and interrogating them. Their names are Maulana Mohsin Sheikh, Faizan, & Khurshid Ahmed Pathan. Two other accused were also detained but released later, they are being monitored."

UP DGP confirmed the murder of the Hindu leader Kamlesh Tiwari to be a radical killing and held the Hindu Samaj Party leader's objectionable 2015 comments on Prophet Muhammad as the reason behind the killing.
"Prima facie this was a radical killing, these people were radicalized by the speech that he [Kamlesh Tiwari] gave in 2015, but much more can come out when we catch hold of the remaining criminals," he added.

In the FIR, two people were named as conspirators, Maulana Anwarul Haq and Mufti Naeem Qazmi. These 2 have also been detained and they're being questioned.





No terror link found

While initially Islamic State was believed to be behind the killings, no link with any terrorist organisation has been found.

OP Singh further said, "In the initial interrogation no criminal background of the three people, who have been detained, has been established yet. If needed, we will take them into remand, bring them to UP and question them.


UP DGP OP Singh said the police are working on the case in collaboration with Gujarat Anti-Terrorism Squad (ATS).

The gruesome murder of the president of a little-known Hindu Samaj Party at his home in Khurshed Bagh in Lucknow has created outrage with demands for swift justice and allegations of police inaction.

Kamlesh Tiwari was brutally murdered at his home at Khursheda Bagh in Lucknow on Friday afternoon.

https://www.indiatoday.in/india/sto...et-muhammad-behind-killing-1610970-2019-10-19

 

[Gandhi G in da house]

This reminded me of killing of Arya Samaji Rajgopal in Lahore in preindependent India in the hands of a guy called ilmuddin...Ilmuddin is hailed as a hero in Pakistan even to this day..His funeral prayer was read by Allama Iqbal.
In Hinduism,we are free to make fun of our gods..we are free to condemn the concept of God...this is a land of charvaka..Kapila...Gowthama Buddha..Vardhamana Mahaveer..who had all denied god and godmen...nobody has the right to kill others just because I don't like some aspects of so called messenger or a god...
Muslims indulge in violence..they are very intolerant...and people of other communities retaliate they cry victimhood...this murder is highly condemnable...in this civilised society and in this era of free speech ,such acts should be not tolerated a bit.
And for all those who say,Muslims are being oppressed and suppressed in india,now you might have got an idea how powerful Muslims are in India even to this day...can any hindu even dare to kill a muslim on religious grounds in pakistan?This is the freedom Muslims enjoy in India..they can kill a leader of a hindu organisation in broadday light.

Oppressed minority is going around killing Hindu leaders. Imagine if a Hindu did this to a Muslim cleric in Pakistan. Impossible.

Anyway, common Muslims should not suffer because of this. The perpetrators must be punished harshly.

 

[Max]

I don't interface in your practices (not sure even it's religion), don't interfare in mine. Islam allows you to have discussion in respectable manner, you are not allowed to ridicule.

 

[Vikki]

I don't interface in your practices (not sure even it's religion), don't interface in mine. Islam allows you to have discussion in respectable manner, you are not allowed to ridicule.

So, if someone ridicules your religion, you are allowed to kill them? Islam doesnt allow to ridicule others religion? This forum doesnt allow religiouz discussions otherwise I can quote many sources of islam that humiliate idolaters and idolatry...do you know ambedkar wrote a book on hindu lord Rama and ridiculed him..Many dalit leaders and atheists in India make fun of hindu gods everyday..we dont kill them...because gagging or threatening someone against expressing their views is against our indian ethos.
Any philosophy or religion that doesnt conform to that ethos will be eliminated from this land over a period of time

 

[Max]

Oppressed minority is going around killing Hindu leaders. Imagine if a Hindu did this to a Muslim cleric in Pakistan. Impossible.

Anyway, common Muslims should not suffer because of this. The perpetrators must be punished harshly.

First there is only 1.5% Hindu population, you better compare your nation with Malaysia or Indonesia who have same amount of non Muslims in their countries, Pakistan is no comparison. We have very few minorities so such incident would be very rare.

Muslims are already living like subhumans India. How low Hindu fanatics can go from there.

 

[Gandhi G in da house]

First there is only 1.5% Hindu population, you better compare your nation with Malaysia or Indonesia who have same amount of non Muslims in their countries, Pakistan is no comparison. We have very few minorities so such incident would be very rare.

Muslims are already living like subhumans India. How low Hindu fanatics can go from there.

Indonesia is much less mixed compared to India and Malaysia much more. Even in these countries, minorities cant even imagine killing leaders of the majority community.

 

[hussain0216]

Hunt down the Hindu extremists

Indian Muslims striking back

Maybe Indian Muslims do have balls?


Get ready for the crocodile tears and tantrums of the hindutva fanatics

 

[N.Siddiqui]

This reminded me of killing of Arya Samaji Rajgopal in Lahore in preindependent India in the hands of a guy called ilmuddin...Ilmuddin is hailed as a hero in Pakistan even to this day..His funeral prayer was read by Allama Iqbal.
In Hinduism,we are free to make fun of our gods..we are free to condemn the concept of God...this is a land of charvaka..Kapila...Gowthama Buddha..Vardhamana Mahaveer..who had all denied god and godmen...nobody has the right to kill others just because I don't like some aspects of so called messenger or a god...
This murder is highly condemnable...in this civilised society and in this era of free speech ,such acts should be not tolerated a bit.
And for all those who say,Muslims are being oppressed and suppressed in india,now you might have got an idea how powerful Muslims are in India even to this day...can any hindu even dare to kill a muslim on religious grounds in pakistan?This is the freedom Muslims enjoy in India..they can kill a leader of a hindu organisation in broadday light.

If Muslims were killed like Akhlaq killing in Dadri, lynching of Tabrez Ansari, dozens more results in more radicalization between Hindus and Muslims and Hindu extremist parties wins more electorates...through sympathy, vengeance and empathy.

Similarly if Hindu radicals like this Kamlesh Tiwari is killed( whoever is behind it)) will also results in more radicalization and majority Hindu voters moving towards extremist Hindu parties and the political face the BJP. It's a win win for Sanghis...

As for Muslims they feel threatened, castigated, ghettoized after such incidents, will they do it to suffer more??

Who benefits the most are the culprit in most of the Hindu/Muslims communal violence and killings...



BJP gains in polls after every riot, says Yale study

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/politics-and-nation/bjp-gains-in-polls-after-every-riot-says-yale-study/articleshow/45378840.cms

 

[Max]

So, if someone ridicules your religion, you are allowed to kill them? Islam doesnt allow to ridicule others religion? This forum doesnt allow religiouz discussions aotherwise I can quote many sources of islam that humiliate idolaters and idolatry.

The question should be why you want to ridicule Islam not what Islam does with such people. Why you want to hurt sentiment of billions of Muslims? Why so much pain in your rear? If you want to make statement you can do without insulting Islam or any religion for that matter. No we are not allowed to kill on our own, Islam don't allow choas and mob lynching, there are courts to decide such matters.

It's not Islam alone, Basic narrative of Islam and Other Abrahamic religion is against idolaters, even your own books say against idolaters, go watch Zakir Naik videos.

 

[Sabretooth]

The subject of blasphemy against Prophet Muhammad (SAW) is the most sensitive one. People all around the world have been slain for crossing the limit. History is full of such incidents. These are lessons to all humans and they should pay heed that derogatory remarks against Prophet Muhammad (SAW) are off-limits.

 

[Vikki]

The question should be why you want to ridicule Islam not what Islam does with such people. Why you want to hurt sentiment of billions of Muslims? Why so much pain in your rear? If you want to make statement you can do without insulting Islam or any religion for that matter. No we are not allowed to kill on our own, Islam don't allow choas and mob lynching, there are courts to decide such matters.

It's not Islam alone, Basic narrative of Islam and Other Abrahamic religion is against idolaters, even your own books say against idolaters, go watch Zakir Naik videos.

We dont have any specific philosophy in hinduism..hinduism is a collection of different philosophies and religions that are born in india..some are against god...some are against idolatry..some are for polytheism...some are for idolatry..some are against killing of animals...some are for sacrifice of animals...you can find all kinds of beliefs in hinduism ...but killing anyone for their beliefs is highly unacceptable

 

[CHI RULES]

This reminded me of killing of Arya Samaji Rajgopal in Lahore in preindependent India in the hands of a guy called ilmuddin...Ilmuddin is hailed as a hero in Pakistan even to this day..His funeral prayer was read by Allama Iqbal.
In Hinduism,we are free to make fun of our gods..we are free to condemn the concept of God...this is a land of charvaka..Kapila...Gowthama Buddha..Vardhamana Mahaveer..who had all denied god and godmen...nobody has the right to kill others just because I don't like some aspects of so called messenger or a god...
This murder is highly condemnable...in this civilised society and in this era of free speech ,such acts should be not tolerated a bit.
And for all those who say,Muslims are being oppressed and suppressed in india,now you might have got an idea how powerful Muslims are in India even to this day...can any hindu even dare to kill a muslim on religious grounds in pakistan?This is the freedom Muslims enjoy in India..they can kill a leader of a hindu organisation in broadday light.

Few years back a Christian person was behind burning of three Muslim males after bombing who went there to help. He was given asylum in USA and he also burned Pakistan flag there. Yet no mass killing or lynching of Christians was observed in Pakistan. In India it is daily routine to lynch Muslims and other minorities even two hindu Dilit children were burned down by Barhmans. India's secular policy was though not implemented sincerely in the past but now has been discarded openly by Indian Govt. The Hindu prayers by your minister while receiving Rafael is the biggest example. In Islam either you have to adopt it's basic beliefs totally or leave it. In Islam you cannot do certain things and on other hand even abstained from openly criticize other religions.

The belief on Prophet as Messenger of Allah is basic, it Shariah decision that any man committing defaming of Prophet or Allah's teachings has to be dealt by force, so if Govt does not take action then ordinary Muslims have the duty to take action and they face swear consequences. That's not question of country or place where ever any one does such act should know consequences. Being a Hindu and narrow minded you cannot understand the ideology.
Even so called Islamic Govt of Pakistan shows passive posture while dealing in such acts so individual Muslims without any material benefit.

 

[N.Siddiqui]

So,you are saying hindus themselves killed this man and blaming muslims ?why do you people deny everything thats wrong with you?
People who are motivated by religious zeal dont bother about consequences..

Didnt that guy Mumtaz Qadri know that he would be hanged if he shot that minister?
They feel they will get sawaab..a place in heaven for killing gustaq e rasool

-So case solved in 24 hrs, didn't Kamlesh Tiwari made the derogatory remarks about 4 years ago. BTW that makes Indian UP police the most efficient one...and this is election time for BJP, such incidents helps BJP.

-And Police saying case resolved, the derogatory comment against prophet was the motive behind murder is not the correct thing to do as that will invoke more religious sentiments on both sides, why the police has to say this which has to be hidden, clearly police is making a statement which suits BJP policy of divide and win electorates...


Lucknow: The Uttar Pradesh police on Saturday claimed to have cracked the murder case of Hindu leader Kamlesh Tiwari within 24 hours of the crime with the detention of three people. Police said the conspiracy to kill Tiwari was hatched in Surat as the suspects were upset with the derogatory remarks made by the leader against Prophet Mohammad in 2015.

 

[Max]

Indonesia is much less mixed compared to India and Malaysia much more. Even in these countries, minorities cant even imagine killing leaders of the majority community.

They can if Muslim leader provoke them.

We dont have any specific philosophy in hinduism..hinduism is a collection of different philosophies and religions that are born in india..some are against god...some are against idolatry..some are for polytheism...some are for idolatry..some are against killing of animals...some are for sacrifice of animals...you can find all kinds of beliefs in hinduism ...but killing anyone for their beliefs is highly unacceptable

Hinduism is not even religion, religion have some definition, belief systems, Hindus have all as you said, you can be pagan, you can be Polytheistic, monotheistic etc.So just like beliefs doesn't matter, insulting idols also does not matter.

But Islam is different, it have it's belief system, it have book (Quran) which is like constitution of Islam. We have saying and practices of Prophet(saww) called Hadith which we must follow. Islam says you can't be Muslim if you don't love Allah and his Prophets more then your most beloved worldly relations.

 

[Jackdaws]

Why bring this up in a Pakistani forum? It's like Pakistanis here have to defend, condone or condemn the acts of Indian Muslims.