the problem is not belittling....
The problem is the obsession with him and his family while overlooking what those they support are doing...
Those that had problems with his family had them before he came to power and always will while those that support him have no problems with his family. Again as i said. he is a leader and wild accusations should not deter him. Good leaders do no allow negative opinion from opposition and people to deter them... imran is better than this.
I am not talking about his decisions being effected but I am talking about how people laugh at his decisions making him think he made a wrong one or pressurize him to take them back
if that pressure works then those decisions do get effected right? however i do not believe that imran listens to haters or to even those that try to tell him differently. he listens to only his supporters.... That is how he has always been. dont think people laughing on social media effects him at all. i doubt he even listens.
You think? WOW you are naive!
No i am not being naive. infact you are being extremely negative and are allowing this negativity to cloud your analysis.
He said once that the system is sick that was enough to get people all mental about his saying and then laugh that he wants to be a part of the sick system instead of thinking he has to jump on it to fix it how can one fix it when they cant see the problems and point them out?
I think the last three years imran has only done one thing and that has been pointing out system faults. Thats all he has been doing so far. If you want to change a country then there are two methods... either you bring a bloody revolution that will destroy the country and you remake it under a new system or you become part of the system and try to change it from inside... thats basically what imran is doing and him being non-friendly opposition will help him do that. With him in the parliament the 2018 elections will be better and thus improvement will slowly follow. Bloody revolution will be our doom. Those who support such an action have no idea about its implication.
He did numerous times and they were called U TURNS
Talks and negotiations are not U-turns. Giving a counter argument is not U-turn in any sense... imran was on the negotiating table and if he had a problem then he could have given his reservations.
In such a case I guess its a shock to everyone how blind eyed the commission REALLY IS! I mean soo many loopholes and it concludes it was the most fair election? Who are we kidding?
Yes the conclusion was disappointing and it was basically done to end the saga.
What proof did NS have to drag soo many PTI people into court when the dharna started? But the same courts couldnt produce till date ANY form of proof to punish those involved in Lahore massacre?
Crossing into the red zone is punishable offense but yes the police acted against them quickly but the lahore massacre has gone unpunished. TBH i knew that it would bcz the police always and i mean always protects its own. The police will never surrender even its constable and with the protection of shahbaz it was never going to happen.
THAT alone shows you the worth of the courts!
I have no idea where and how this image came here that our justice system is good. its pathetic and you need not look any further than the amount of people who cry justice. The police and justice system is weak and supports the super rich only.
Can you seriously tell me who would let him do that? ESP when the system is self sustaining those who are gaining from it?
It wasnt thrown at his face,... They were at a negotiating table where you negotiate. If imran had a better system then he would have presented it. he didnt and believed in the judicial commission and so he went forth... He could have argued tweaking easily but he believed in them.
He didnt shut Isb,....NS requested the shut to prevent people from getting in and joining him in his protest ...I was there when the shutting started (EVEN BEFORE the dharna started)
Basically the containers were placed to stop him from coming right? both can happily claim that we shut islamabad down together but imran was the one that started the march which lead to the closure. There was a strong case on this basis but the courts were unable to apprehend imran which again shows how weak the courts are against powerful people. Imran is a powerful man as he holds the second most number of votes and is the leader of the second most largest party in pakistan.
So nation's 2nd choice will get a 2nd say? Man are you naive or what? Lawyers die to stand up for minority rights....Politicians get maligned for trying to bring change tell me 1 bad thing of Zardari found and trialled? If a goon like that cant be trialed then what msg are you sending that ONLY goons rule? while everyone else can be given court orders, can be told to "apologize" can be ridiculed coz they have a different opinion than u?
By second choice i meant he is not choice-less in any decision. he can always disagree to anything that is placed in front of him in front of the negotiating table. You are acting as if imran has only been victimized. imran is not some weak fool in this story. he has been and is a strong and sturdy in his approach. thats why i am confident in saying that imran has faith in judicial commission bcz that guy was happily leading marches city after city even after the disbanding of the dharna,
The day the courts are capable of putting goons on trial should be the day you can claim a 2nd choice/ opinion or voice HAS VALUE!
Imran obviously at one time had alot of value bcz if i remember correctly he once held very huge ground during the dharna and was about to get some really good pointers and deals but he stuck to the irrational and frankly childish point of re-election which threw away electoral reforms points, opening of ballot boxes in a few constituencies and a judicial commission based on judges by imrans choice. He kept playing the wrong cards and lost alot of ground in that dharna.
PM is also human HE WAS AT WRONG for holding back the mandate of the public to "REQUEST" for 4 constitutions recount ...It is what happens in democracy if you disagree you can file a petition you can do alot and protest....ALL is legal but when PM sends thugs to beat people....THAT is what it is goon mentality!
Why didnt PM open those 4 and made a fool of IK? What was he hiding?
Obviously rigging bcz he didnt open those constituencies or perhaps his ego at not surrendering to imran khans pleas bcz during the dharna when the negotiations, it was agreed that recount would happen in those constituencies but imran was blinded by his list for re-election to notice something like that. He lost on a very good deal there that could have benefited the nation and him alot.
WOW zara dekh na kaysa log petition likh rahay hain....
Dont worry nothing will happen. N will not allow this to pass and the main reason would be that N cant afford to let PTI run wild. They are better off with PTI in the assembly and they also cant piss off the opposition alliance.m
Had he disagreed tell me honestly how many of you will laugh it off as a u turn or some crappy thing along the lines he is making fun of democracy or isnt playing his cards right or what is wrong with him he keeps rejecting everything?
Democracy is negotiations so i would not have said that, actually i would have said cards were not played right only if he had answered with re-election... agreeing to something you disagree with is foolish and imran knows this. he agreed bcz he thought it would be good enough.
How would anyone know how many are low crooks as a 2nd profession?
In such a scenario the only you can get things checked out is by doing yourself and that cant happen. You have to have a level of trust on the other guy,,.. thats just how the world works.
Should we hold EVERY person whose lawyer was a sold out against him for not winning their case?
No as its not imrans fault this report has shown negative.... but the guy who hired the lawyer cant scream out bcz he hired the person by placing a degree of trust in him. He can harbor discontent in his heart but if he shouts something then others will only say its your fault since you hired him.
THEY HAD THE POWER yet THEY ASKED HIM to collect PROOF/ evidence for them? Interesting level of laziness!
Yes this was weak but imran had sizable level of evidence as well and do you know that in court of law when you accuse a person you are required to give some for of evidence as a start. The way the report goes it seems that they did exercise that power and did collect irregularities which imran highlighted in his speech but branded it fair due to it being not large enough in nature... yes it makes no sense but as i said they wanted to end it and they did it.
No my point is he had no choice but to agree to whatever was thrown at him did he know they were corrupt? Wallahu aalam!
No he had choice... he agreed to them bcz he felt that they would be fair in their approach which means that he felt that they were trustworthy...... If he had any reservations then he would have given his own names. Thus imran his now forced to accept the decision bcz he backed those members.
I dont think judges have a fine print stamped on their head saying they are corrupt or not....So again I wont really know what IK WAS THINKING OR KNEW! but 1 thing for sure maybe this was the best choice comparing to others offered?
again i say if imran has any reservations then he would have disagreed. obviously he felt that these names were neutral enough to be backed and he did., Nobody has a that stamped on their head which is why you must place a degree of trust on the other person. Its common basic social sense that you utilize without even knowing. Imran would not have accepted blindly if he had not full 100 percent confidence in them and the disappointment in his tone today showed that he was really expecting something else.
