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Can you list all the R&D projects that are going on between Turkey and China? Besides this F-35 plan?
Joint development of 5th gen aircraft with Turkey,China
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Can you list all the R&D projects that are going on between Turkey and China? Besides this F-35 plan?
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getting a fifth generation aircraft is not the need of the day,
i think the main weakness in our defence is our air defence missile system as we are depending on MANPADS mostly
i dont know why the hell are the authorities not paying attention to this we can get some good technology SAMs from china,
can anyone tell me do we have inducted HQ9 as it is good system but there is no news of its inclusion on record
i think the main weakness in our defence is our air defence missile system as we are depending on MANPADS mostly
i dont know why the hell are the authorities not paying attention to this we can get some good technology SAMs from china,
can anyone tell me do we have inducted HQ9 as it is good system but there is no news of its inclusion on record
future air wars will be based on stealth uavs so stealth is important, i think chinese will get a taste of it from US predator within few months
chinese got s-300/400 from russia, if they have reverse engineered s-300 till now,then pakistan may get a new sam system just a bit different from s-300, but its transfer will be a big issue with russians,
by the way pakistan is already getting awacs which is a far better system for air defence than 'manpads',so air defence is not that big issue with paf
which manpad system pakistan uses?
The HQ-9 (HongQi-9) is a long-range, all-altitude, all-weather surface-to-air missile system to counter aircraft, helicopters, and cruise missiles. It also has limited capabilities against tactical ballistic missiles. Developed by China Academy of Defence Technology (CADT), the missile system may have entered service with the PLAAF Surface-to-Air Missile Corps in limited numbers since 1997. A shipborne version is being deployed onboard the PLA Navys Type 052C air defence missile destroyer. An anti-radiation variant known as FT-2000 has also been promoted to the export market.
The HQ-9 was developed by China Academy of Defence Technology (CADT), Chinas leading surface-to-air missile designer and manufacturer located in the western suburb of Beijing. A subordinate of China Aerospace Science & Industry Corporation (CASIC), the academy is also known as China Changfeng Mechanics and Electronics Technology Academy, or 2nd Aerospace Academy. An export variant FT-2000 fitted with an anti-radiation seeker has been promoted by China National Precision Machinery Import and Export Corporation (CPMIEC) to the international market.
HQ-9 Model: The model of what was described as a "medium- to long-range surface-to-air missile" was displayed during the exhibition to mark the 80th anniversary of the PLA in 2007 (Source: Chinese Internet)
The HQ-9 development programme began in the early 1980s. The missile design was initially based on some limited U.S. Patriot air defence missile technology, but was later incorporated with Russian S-300 missile design and technologies. Like the Patriot, the HQ-9 uses a Track-Via-Missile (TVM) terminal guidance system. The early prototype was launched from a Patriot-style slant-positioned box-shape container launcher, but the missile was seriously oversize due to Chinas substandard solid fuel rocket technology. After China imported the S-300PMU missile from Russia in the early 1990s, the HQ-9 missile was redesigned to incorporate Russian missile rocket, aerodynamic layout, and launch system. The resulting HQ-9A is cold-launched vertically from a S-300-style tube launcher system.
The HQ-9 was initially developed to replace the PLAs bulk of obsolete HQ-2 (Chinese copy of the Soviet/Russian SA-2 Guideline), but the slow progress in the development forced the PLA to purchase the S-300PMU missile from Russia. By the time the HQ-9 was ready for operational deployment in the late 1990s, the missile was already behind foreign air-defence missiles such as U.S. PAC3 and Russian S-300PMU2 in terms of technology and performance. Only a small number of the HQ-9A are being deployed by the PLA for operational trial and evaluations. The naval variant of the HQ-9A is deployed onboard the Type 052C destroyer which was commissioned in 2004.
The HQ-9 is reported to have a slant range of 200km up to an altitude of 30km. The missile has a proximity fuse with an effective range of 35m, which goes active when the missile is 5km away from its target. The missile is transported and launched on Taian TAS5380 8X8 transport-erector-launcher (TEL), which has four canisters that look almost identical to those used in the S-300PMU1. Like the S-300, the FT-2000 is cold-launched.
Guidance & Fire Control
The HQ-9s guidance is very similar to that of the Patriot missile, consisting of inertial initial guidance + radio command midcourse correction + track-via-missile (TVM) terminal guidance. Midcourse correction commands are transmitted to the guidance system from the ground engagement control station. The target acquisition system in the missile acquires the target in the terminal phase of flight and transmits the data using the TVM downlink via the ground radar to the engagement control station for final course correction calculations. The course correction commands are transmitted back to the missile via the command uplink.
The HQ-9 system reportedly uses a large HT-233 3D C-band mono-pulse planar phased array radar, which operates in the 300MHz bandwidth and has a detection range of 120km and tracking range of 90km. The radar can detect targets in azimuth (360 degrees) and elevation (0 to 65 degrees), and is capable of tracking some 100 airborne targets and simultaneously engaging more than 50 targets. The radar system is carried on a Taian TAS5380 8X8 heavy-duty cross-country vehicle.
The HQ-9 may also be compatible with the Russian tracking radar, making it suitable to be deployed in combination with the S-300.
HQ-9 Targeting Radar: The HT-233 3D phased array radar used by the HQ-9 SAM system for surveillance and target acquisition
FT-2000
FT-2000 Anti-Radiation SAM: CPMIEC introduced the world's first anti-radiation SAM FT-2000 in 1998. The missile was believed to be associated to the HQ-9 technology (Source: Chinese Internet)
In 1998 CPMIEC revealed a unique anti-radiation surface-to-air missile system FT-2000, which was designed engage airborne warning and control system (AWACS) and other electronic warfare aircraft at long ranges. Based on the HQ-9 design, the FT-2000 is fitted with a passive radar-homing seeker and is launched from a 8X8 transport-erector-launcher (TEL) vehicle carrying four missile tube launchers.
The FT-2000 is a scaled down version of the HQ-9 fitted with a passive radar seeker that homes the missile using the electronic emission of enemy AWACS and electronic warfare (EW) aircraft. When the missile detects and locks on to the radar or jammer, it can home on the target autonomously at 1,200m/s while sustaining a 14G overload. The FT-2000 can also be used in co-operation with friendly aircraft when the onboard radar warning receiver detects hostile signal. In addition, the FT-2000 missile has a built-in inertial navigation system, so that whenever it has acquired a lock-on, it will continue towards the target even if the emitter is shut down, although the missile's accuracy would seriously degrade in this case.
For the detection and localisation of hostile radar emissions and jammers the FT-2000 makes use of four ground-based Electronic Support Measures (ESM) sensor posts, each of which is mounted on wheeled vehicles and can together track 50 targets simultaneously. The ESM sensor posts are deployed at a distance 30km from each other. The missile launchers are deployed near the central ESM sensor station at a distance of 150 metres. Additionally, the missile can also be used in conjunction with surveillance and target acquisition radars.
Despite being regarded as the first of its kind in the world, the real effectiveness of the FT-2000 in operation was somehow doubtful. The missile caught great attention when it was first revealed in 1998, but did not enter production due to lack of interest from either domestic or international market.
from sinodefence
The HQ-9 was developed by China Academy of Defence Technology (CADT), Chinas leading surface-to-air missile designer and manufacturer located in the western suburb of Beijing. A subordinate of China Aerospace Science & Industry Corporation (CASIC), the academy is also known as China Changfeng Mechanics and Electronics Technology Academy, or 2nd Aerospace Academy. An export variant FT-2000 fitted with an anti-radiation seeker has been promoted by China National Precision Machinery Import and Export Corporation (CPMIEC) to the international market.
HQ-9 Model: The model of what was described as a "medium- to long-range surface-to-air missile" was displayed during the exhibition to mark the 80th anniversary of the PLA in 2007 (Source: Chinese Internet)
The HQ-9 development programme began in the early 1980s. The missile design was initially based on some limited U.S. Patriot air defence missile technology, but was later incorporated with Russian S-300 missile design and technologies. Like the Patriot, the HQ-9 uses a Track-Via-Missile (TVM) terminal guidance system. The early prototype was launched from a Patriot-style slant-positioned box-shape container launcher, but the missile was seriously oversize due to Chinas substandard solid fuel rocket technology. After China imported the S-300PMU missile from Russia in the early 1990s, the HQ-9 missile was redesigned to incorporate Russian missile rocket, aerodynamic layout, and launch system. The resulting HQ-9A is cold-launched vertically from a S-300-style tube launcher system.
The HQ-9 was initially developed to replace the PLAs bulk of obsolete HQ-2 (Chinese copy of the Soviet/Russian SA-2 Guideline), but the slow progress in the development forced the PLA to purchase the S-300PMU missile from Russia. By the time the HQ-9 was ready for operational deployment in the late 1990s, the missile was already behind foreign air-defence missiles such as U.S. PAC3 and Russian S-300PMU2 in terms of technology and performance. Only a small number of the HQ-9A are being deployed by the PLA for operational trial and evaluations. The naval variant of the HQ-9A is deployed onboard the Type 052C destroyer which was commissioned in 2004.
The HQ-9 is reported to have a slant range of 200km up to an altitude of 30km. The missile has a proximity fuse with an effective range of 35m, which goes active when the missile is 5km away from its target. The missile is transported and launched on Taian TAS5380 8X8 transport-erector-launcher (TEL), which has four canisters that look almost identical to those used in the S-300PMU1. Like the S-300, the FT-2000 is cold-launched.
Guidance & Fire Control
The HQ-9s guidance is very similar to that of the Patriot missile, consisting of inertial initial guidance + radio command midcourse correction + track-via-missile (TVM) terminal guidance. Midcourse correction commands are transmitted to the guidance system from the ground engagement control station. The target acquisition system in the missile acquires the target in the terminal phase of flight and transmits the data using the TVM downlink via the ground radar to the engagement control station for final course correction calculations. The course correction commands are transmitted back to the missile via the command uplink.
The HQ-9 system reportedly uses a large HT-233 3D C-band mono-pulse planar phased array radar, which operates in the 300MHz bandwidth and has a detection range of 120km and tracking range of 90km. The radar can detect targets in azimuth (360 degrees) and elevation (0 to 65 degrees), and is capable of tracking some 100 airborne targets and simultaneously engaging more than 50 targets. The radar system is carried on a Taian TAS5380 8X8 heavy-duty cross-country vehicle.
The HQ-9 may also be compatible with the Russian tracking radar, making it suitable to be deployed in combination with the S-300.
HQ-9 Targeting Radar: The HT-233 3D phased array radar used by the HQ-9 SAM system for surveillance and target acquisition
FT-2000
FT-2000 Anti-Radiation SAM: CPMIEC introduced the world's first anti-radiation SAM FT-2000 in 1998. The missile was believed to be associated to the HQ-9 technology (Source: Chinese Internet)
In 1998 CPMIEC revealed a unique anti-radiation surface-to-air missile system FT-2000, which was designed engage airborne warning and control system (AWACS) and other electronic warfare aircraft at long ranges. Based on the HQ-9 design, the FT-2000 is fitted with a passive radar-homing seeker and is launched from a 8X8 transport-erector-launcher (TEL) vehicle carrying four missile tube launchers.
The FT-2000 is a scaled down version of the HQ-9 fitted with a passive radar seeker that homes the missile using the electronic emission of enemy AWACS and electronic warfare (EW) aircraft. When the missile detects and locks on to the radar or jammer, it can home on the target autonomously at 1,200m/s while sustaining a 14G overload. The FT-2000 can also be used in co-operation with friendly aircraft when the onboard radar warning receiver detects hostile signal. In addition, the FT-2000 missile has a built-in inertial navigation system, so that whenever it has acquired a lock-on, it will continue towards the target even if the emitter is shut down, although the missile's accuracy would seriously degrade in this case.
For the detection and localisation of hostile radar emissions and jammers the FT-2000 makes use of four ground-based Electronic Support Measures (ESM) sensor posts, each of which is mounted on wheeled vehicles and can together track 50 targets simultaneously. The ESM sensor posts are deployed at a distance 30km from each other. The missile launchers are deployed near the central ESM sensor station at a distance of 150 metres. Additionally, the missile can also be used in conjunction with surveillance and target acquisition radars.
Despite being regarded as the first of its kind in the world, the real effectiveness of the FT-2000 in operation was somehow doubtful. The missile caught great attention when it was first revealed in 1998, but did not enter production due to lack of interest from either domestic or international market.
from sinodefence
Pakistan Air Force gets latest American radar system
English_Xinhua 2008-04-07 19:50:45 Print
ISLAMABAD, April 7 (Xinhua) -- The Pakistan Air Force (PAF) said on Monday that it has got the latest generation of American radar system.
The TPS-77 radars from Lockheed Martin Corp. "incorporate the state-of-the-art technology and belong to the latest generation," said a PAF statement.
The TPS-77 radars, handed over to the PAF at a ceremony in southern Pakistan's Karachi, have the unique capability to provide valley coverage and long range detection capabilities.
"With the induction of these systems, Pakistan will have the capability to curb the drug traffickers' unrestricted movement into the borders from its neighboring countries," the statement added.
English_Xinhua 2008-04-07 19:50:45 Print
ISLAMABAD, April 7 (Xinhua) -- The Pakistan Air Force (PAF) said on Monday that it has got the latest generation of American radar system.
The TPS-77 radars from Lockheed Martin Corp. "incorporate the state-of-the-art technology and belong to the latest generation," said a PAF statement.
The TPS-77 radars, handed over to the PAF at a ceremony in southern Pakistan's Karachi, have the unique capability to provide valley coverage and long range detection capabilities.
"With the induction of these systems, Pakistan will have the capability to curb the drug traffickers' unrestricted movement into the borders from its neighboring countries," the statement added.
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Anza MK1,2,3 series.
AWACS has a separate role to perform in the overall air-defence planning, while MANPADS another. Both are needed and the two are not a replacement for each other, rather they compliment the overall Air Defence system. Former is for Early detection of threats, coordination, airspace management and ISR roles, whereas the latter is used for protection of the ADGE and other assets from low-level attack.
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I assume you're thinking that the Reaper that crashed into Pakistan will go into China for reverse-engineering? I can assure you, that is not happening nor will it happen anymore.
we have the expertise to reverse engineer and actually grasp/understand the technology now. according to one of my sources, the Reaper was taken to a secret organization in pakistan, not china. The technology available from the UAV such as uplink/downlink has our scientists/engineers, "foaming at the mouth".
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as far as i know , the US authorities have already clamied that the UAV that crashed inside pakistan have been returned to them and it is also sensible that if pakisytan would not have returned it there must have been some protest from US side rather than they would have accepted that it had been returned
in addition a again stree on my point, although UAVz are good but for offensive game, what do we have to stop them comming in our air space, and not omly to mention UAVz, we do not have any kind of Modren medium to long range SAm against any aircraft of th AWACS that are flying all around our place
in addition a again stree on my point, although UAVz are good but for offensive game, what do we have to stop them comming in our air space, and not omly to mention UAVz, we do not have any kind of Modren medium to long range SAm against any aircraft of th AWACS that are flying all around our place
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This possibility is very unlikely, Turkey is wants to get into the EU family and is a member of NATO. Both are pro-US with the latter virtually run by the US. Turkey would not risk to upset her western allies just for the sake of a 5th gen. joint project with China.
On another note, no disrespect to the Chinese technology, but when it comes to 5th gen. fighter design/production tech, the West is far more technologically advanced than the Chinese.
On another note, no disrespect to the Chinese technology, but when it comes to 5th gen. fighter design/production tech, the West is far more technologically advanced than the Chinese.
Well, the EU is something the majority 80-90% of the Turkish public does NOT want.
The last couple of decades, the Turkish public was mis-lead to believe that EU was about democracy, mutual benefit and respect, but having witnessed the double standards imposed by the EU, the Turkish public no longer aspires for their nation to be part of this hypocritical formation.
Nato, as you said is controlled and run by the USA, and we know what the USA has been upto in the world, not a safe bet on any country or nation, including the American public themselves (no disrespect meant), but with the many covert false flag operations and wars, the Turkish public knows that the USA will be no longer as all empires have a "use-by-date", even the Ottomans did, whats the USA to last until eternity?
Anyway, Turkiye, should and is increasing her ties with Pakistan, China, South Korea.
All for the bettter, for world peace.
Salam Alaykum.
Your Turkish brother,
Tarkan
The last couple of decades, the Turkish public was mis-lead to believe that EU was about democracy, mutual benefit and respect, but having witnessed the double standards imposed by the EU, the Turkish public no longer aspires for their nation to be part of this hypocritical formation.
Nato, as you said is controlled and run by the USA, and we know what the USA has been upto in the world, not a safe bet on any country or nation, including the American public themselves (no disrespect meant), but with the many covert false flag operations and wars, the Turkish public knows that the USA will be no longer as all empires have a "use-by-date", even the Ottomans did, whats the USA to last until eternity?
Anyway, Turkiye, should and is increasing her ties with Pakistan, China, South Korea.
All for the bettter, for world peace.
Salam Alaykum.
Your Turkish brother,
Tarkan
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