John McCain: “I hated the gooks. I will hate them as long as I live."

[TaiShang]

John McCain: “I hated the gooks. I will hate them as long as I live."

2008/02/27

In 2000, then-presidential candidate John McCain stirred up a controversy by stating in reference to his years in captivity as a POW, "I hated the gooks. I will hate them as long as I live." Within a few-days time, McCain, fearing a substantial backlash from California’s sizeable, and politically-savvy Asian-American community, tried to qualify his remarks by saying that he was referring exclusively to his prison guards. But, Asian-Americans were left to wonder, if only among themselves: Would Mr. McCain have gotten more adverse publicity if he had uttered a slur against blacks or Hispanics? Will his slur come back to bite him in 2008? Should he, after all these years, be confronted on this matter?

I don’t believe that McCain is a racist, and if I was McCain, I would be pretty pissed-off at my prison guards, after all, they TORTURED him relentlessly. McCain undoubtedly deserves a little slack on this one. But in classic denial behavior, and par for the course for most GOoPers, McCain passed up on an opportunity to offer a sincere apology, and instead, offered the mealy-mouth excuse that he was not using the term "gook" as a broad brush to paint all Vietnamese, or all Asians, but only the NVA, and then only those he encountered in "Maison Centrale." Anyone who served in country, or is even slightly familiar with the Viet Nam war era, knows that the term "gook" was used interchangeably with other terms like slant, slope, zip, zipperhead, and dink. Rarely did these labels applied only to NVA, VC, or other hostile forces. American soldiers and Marines routinely referred to their ARVN comrades-in-arms as "gooks." It was wartime.

Many years have passed since the last helicopter lifted off the roof of the U.S. Embassy in Saigon and the last boatloads of desperate refugees drifted through shark-infested waters to destinations unknown. The Vietnamese that came to the United States to seek freedom, real freedom – not the Freedom-Fry variety that George W. Bush likes to pontificate about. The Vietnamese-Americans are extremely hard working and patriotic, have become naturalized in astounding numbers, and have been extraordinarily successful in pursuing the American dream.

What has always confounded me however, is the overwhelming loyalty that this community has given to the Republican party over the last three decades. One can assume that this has been due to the Republican’s never-ending opposition to Communism, or at least their lip-service to that effect (as if somehow Democrats were pro-Commie). But what about the fact that two Republican presidents, Nixon and Ford, and their henchman Henry Kissinger, turned their backs on South Vietnam in their time of need, withheld further military assistance (materiel and otherwise), and precipitated its take-over by the Communist North. Although the anticipated blood-bath never materialized, the harsh retribution towards former American allies was what led to the exodus of South Vietnams best and brightest.

I have no doubts that a sizeable majority of the nearly one-million Vietnamese-Americans of voting age will support John McCain in November. He was, after all, the enemy of their enemies, Ho Chi Minh and General Giap, and old sentiments die hard. It will be interesting to see if the younger generation of Vietnamese-Americans, particularly those born in the U.S., will do the same.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2008/2/27/464978/-

***

Old news, but it gets interesting and meaningful these days.

Looks like McCain was a Vietnamese-hater throughout his life, till he kicked the dust. He was not only a hater, but also a racist.

I guess this is how the US establishment in general feels about Vietnam under the VCP.

 

[Nike]

So now mc cain will love them

 

[Place Of Space]

McCain becomes famous after he is dead. I never heard of him years ago.

 

[bbccdd1470]

I once read an articule how he betrayed his country during his catpure in Vietnam by confessing a lots of secrects and how he made regulations to hide this facts when he was a congressman. In that articule, he was no hero but a coward and traitor, his positive image was only created by the Media and Republican party.

 

[gambit]

I once read an articule how he betrayed his country during his catpure in Vietnam by confessing a lots of secrects and how he made regulations to hide this facts when he was a congressman. In that articule, he was no hero but a coward and traitor, his positive image was only created by the Media and Republican party.

Am going to educate you on one aspect of military life, which I am %100 certain you know nothing about it.

First...This is not a defense of John McCain, of which you know less about him than the average American.

Second...If you say that you read an article, if you do not post the source of that article, then what you claimed to have read is meaningless.

Third...And this is where the military aspect comes in. Every military know that once a member is capture, he is expected to divulge everything he knows, especially if the enemy employs torture. Everyone -- man and woman -- has a breaking point. No military expects its members to be superhuman and resist torture indefinitely.

When I was active duty, I went thru SERE...

https://www.airforce.com/careers/detail/survival-evasion-resistance-and-escape-sere

SERE training is available for diplomats, military members, and even civilian contractors to the government. For certain military members, SERE training is mandatory. For civilians, sometimes it is mandatory, sometimes it is voluntary. While the part of SERE training is 'resist', no one expects the captured person to resist indefinitely. If you are tortured, the US military will not punish you if you give away everything you know. The US military will do everything possible to rescue you, but if you are captured, we expect you to break sooner or later.

What I know of SERE training, I am sworn to secrecy for life, so do not expect me to defend McCain in this regard. But I will tell you this, women who went thru SERE training came very close to rape because that horrific act is expected for women. You -- like the rest of the Chinese members in this forum -- have never served, so you would not know what I am talking about.

So for you to try to slander McCain by implying that he divulged secrets -- without giving a source of what you read -- tells me that the point is about diminishing McCain's stature and what he went thru as a POW.

 

[bbccdd1470]

Am going to educate you on one aspect of military life, which I am %100 certain you know nothing about it.

First...This is not a defense of John McCain, of which you know less about him than the average American.

Second...If you say that you read an article, if you do not post the source of that article, then what you claimed to have read is meaningless.

Third...And this is where the military aspect comes in. Every military know that once a member is capture, he is expected to divulge everything he knows, especially if the enemy employs torture. Everyone -- man and woman -- has a breaking point. No military expects its members to be superhuman and resist torture indefinitely.

When I was active duty, I went thru SERE...

https://www.airforce.com/careers/detail/survival-evasion-resistance-and-escape-sere

SERE training is available for diplomats, military members, and even civilian contractors to the government. For certain military members, SERE training is mandatory. For civilians, sometimes it is mandatory, sometimes it is voluntary. While the part of SERE training is 'resist', no one expects the captured person to resist indefinitely. If you are tortured, the US military will not punish you if you give away everything you know. The US military will do everything possible to rescue you, but if you are captured, we expect you to break sooner or later.

What I know of SERE training, I am sworn to secrecy for life, so do not expect me to defend McCain in this regard. But I will tell you this, women who went thru SERE training came very close to rape because that horrific act is expected for women. You -- like the rest of the Chinese members in this forum -- have never served, so you would not know what I am talking about.

So for you to try to slander McCain by implying that he divulged secrets -- without giving a source of what you read -- tells me that the point is about diminishing McCain's stature and what he went thru as a POW.

This is the link https://www.unz.com/article/mccain-and-the-pow-cover-up/
Btw, you should be relax since this is just a forum and I don't want all academic here. Also I didn't mean to slander Mccain but just sharing an opinion of an article that I once read about McCain to the OP. Lastly, I agree on what you said about SERE.

 

[Cthulhu]

He was talking about @gambit and his race.

 

[Nan Yang]

I am sure the N Vietnamese women and childrens also have a breaking point being at the receiving end of the indiscriminate bombings.

 

[Jlaw]

This is the link https://www.unz.com/article/mccain-and-the-pow-cover-up/
Btw, you should be relax since this is just a forum and I don't want all academic here. Also I didn't mean to slander Mccain but just sharing an opinion of an article that I once read about McCain to the OP. Lastly, I agree on what you said about SERE.

Can't blame him for going app shit on you. It's a known fact gooks love murican dicks.

John McCain: “I hated the gooks. I will hate them as long as I live."

2008/02/27

In 2000, then-presidential candidate John McCain stirred up a controversy by stating in reference to his years in captivity as a POW, "I hated the gooks. I will hate them as long as I live." Within a few-days time, McCain, fearing a substantial backlash from California’s sizeable, and politically-savvy Asian-American community, tried to qualify his remarks by saying that he was referring exclusively to his prison guards. But, Asian-Americans were left to wonder, if only among themselves: Would Mr. McCain have gotten more adverse publicity if he had uttered a slur against blacks or Hispanics? Will his slur come back to bite him in 2008? Should he, after all these years, be confronted on this matter?

I don’t believe that McCain is a racist, and if I was McCain, I would be pretty pissed-off at my prison guards, after all, they TORTURED him relentlessly. McCain undoubtedly deserves a little slack on this one. But in classic denial behavior, and par for the course for most GOoPers, McCain passed up on an opportunity to offer a sincere apology, and instead, offered the mealy-mouth excuse that he was not using the term "gook" as a broad brush to paint all Vietnamese, or all Asians, but only the NVA, and then only those he encountered in "Maison Centrale." Anyone who served in country, or is even slightly familiar with the Viet Nam war era, knows that the term "gook" was used interchangeably with other terms like slant, slope, zip, zipperhead, and dink. Rarely did these labels applied only to NVA, VC, or other hostile forces. American soldiers and Marines routinely referred to their ARVN comrades-in-arms as "gooks." It was wartime.

Many years have passed since the last helicopter lifted off the roof of the U.S. Embassy in Saigon and the last boatloads of desperate refugees drifted through shark-infested waters to destinations unknown. The Vietnamese that came to the United States to seek freedom, real freedom – not the Freedom-Fry variety that George W. Bush likes to pontificate about. The Vietnamese-Americans are extremely hard working and patriotic, have become naturalized in astounding numbers, and have been extraordinarily successful in pursuing the American dream.

What has always confounded me however, is the overwhelming loyalty that this community has given to the Republican party over the last three decades. One can assume that this has been due to the Republican’s never-ending opposition to Communism, or at least their lip-service to that effect (as if somehow Democrats were pro-Commie). But what about the fact that two Republican presidents, Nixon and Ford, and their henchman Henry Kissinger, turned their backs on South Vietnam in their time of need, withheld further military assistance (materiel and otherwise), and precipitated its take-over by the Communist North. Although the anticipated blood-bath never materialized, the harsh retribution towards former American allies was what led to the exodus of South Vietnams best and brightest.

I have no doubts that a sizeable majority of the nearly one-million Vietnamese-Americans of voting age will support John McCain in November. He was, after all, the enemy of their enemies, Ho Chi Minh and General Giap, and old sentiments die hard. It will be interesting to see if the younger generation of Vietnamese-Americans, particularly those born in the U.S., will do the same.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2008/2/27/464978/-

***

Old news, but it gets interesting and meaningful these days.

Looks like McCain was a Vietnamese-hater throughout his life, till he kicked the dust. He was not only a hater, but also a racist.

I guess this is how the US establishment in general feels about Vietnam under the VCP.

Most of the world don't like gooks either.

 

[Pakistani Aircraft]

@gambit, I think he's talking about you and your kind.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

John McCain: “I hated the gooks. I will hate them as long as I live."

2008/02/27

In 2000, then-presidential candidate John McCain stirred up a controversy by stating in reference to his years in captivity as a POW, "I hated the gooks. I will hate them as long as I live." Within a few-days time, McCain, fearing a substantial backlash from California’s sizeable, and politically-savvy Asian-American community, tried to qualify his remarks by saying that he was referring exclusively to his prison guards. But, Asian-Americans were left to wonder, if only among themselves: Would Mr. McCain have gotten more adverse publicity if he had uttered a slur against blacks or Hispanics? Will his slur come back to bite him in 2008? Should he, after all these years, be confronted on this matter?

I don’t believe that McCain is a racist, and if I was McCain, I would be pretty pissed-off at my prison guards, after all, they TORTURED him relentlessly. McCain undoubtedly deserves a little slack on this one. But in classic denial behavior, and par for the course for most GOoPers, McCain passed up on an opportunity to offer a sincere apology, and instead, offered the mealy-mouth excuse that he was not using the term "gook" as a broad brush to paint all Vietnamese, or all Asians, but only the NVA, and then only those he encountered in "Maison Centrale." Anyone who served in country, or is even slightly familiar with the Viet Nam war era, knows that the term "gook" was used interchangeably with other terms like slant, slope, zip, zipperhead, and dink. Rarely did these labels applied only to NVA, VC, or other hostile forces. American soldiers and Marines routinely referred to their ARVN comrades-in-arms as "gooks." It was wartime.

Many years have passed since the last helicopter lifted off the roof of the U.S. Embassy in Saigon and the last boatloads of desperate refugees drifted through shark-infested waters to destinations unknown. The Vietnamese that came to the United States to seek freedom, real freedom – not the Freedom-Fry variety that George W. Bush likes to pontificate about. The Vietnamese-Americans are extremely hard working and patriotic, have become naturalized in astounding numbers, and have been extraordinarily successful in pursuing the American dream.

What has always confounded me however, is the overwhelming loyalty that this community has given to the Republican party over the last three decades. One can assume that this has been due to the Republican’s never-ending opposition to Communism, or at least their lip-service to that effect (as if somehow Democrats were pro-Commie). But what about the fact that two Republican presidents, Nixon and Ford, and their henchman Henry Kissinger, turned their backs on South Vietnam in their time of need, withheld further military assistance (materiel and otherwise), and precipitated its take-over by the Communist North. Although the anticipated blood-bath never materialized, the harsh retribution towards former American allies was what led to the exodus of South Vietnams best and brightest.

I have no doubts that a sizeable majority of the nearly one-million Vietnamese-Americans of voting age will support John McCain in November. He was, after all, the enemy of their enemies, Ho Chi Minh and General Giap, and old sentiments die hard. It will be interesting to see if the younger generation of Vietnamese-Americans, particularly those born in the U.S., will do the same.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2008/2/27/464978/-

***

Old news, but it gets interesting and meaningful these days.

Looks like McCain was a Vietnamese-hater throughout his life, till he kicked the dust. He was not only a hater, but also a racist.

I guess this is how the US establishment in general feels about Vietnam under the VCP.

F**k j.McCain................his campatriots and their racist views will soon become a minority as they are outbred by the blacks and Hispanics................the racists never saw that coming and neither can they do anything about it now..........

 

[Ghareeb_Da_Baal]

our mailman from five years ago was a vietnam vet.He thouight they was horroble, disgusring & terrrible.

 

[frequency]

John McCain: “I hated the gooks. I will hate them as long as I live."

2008/02/27

In 2000, then-presidential candidate John McCain stirred up a controversy by stating in reference to his years in captivity as a POW, "I hated the gooks. I will hate them as long as I live." Within a few-days time, McCain, fearing a substantial backlash from California’s sizeable, and politically-savvy Asian-American community, tried to qualify his remarks by saying that he was referring exclusively to his prison guards. But, Asian-Americans were left to wonder, if only among themselves: Would Mr. McCain have gotten more adverse publicity if he had uttered a slur against blacks or Hispanics? Will his slur come back to bite him in 2008? Should he, after all these years, be confronted on this matter?

I don’t believe that McCain is a racist, and if I was McCain, I would be pretty pissed-off at my prison guards, after all, they TORTURED him relentlessly. McCain undoubtedly deserves a little slack on this one. But in classic denial behavior, and par for the course for most GOoPers, McCain passed up on an opportunity to offer a sincere apology, and instead, offered the mealy-mouth excuse that he was not using the term "gook" as a broad brush to paint all Vietnamese, or all Asians, but only the NVA, and then only those he encountered in "Maison Centrale." Anyone who served in country, or is even slightly familiar with the Viet Nam war era, knows that the term "gook" was used interchangeably with other terms like slant, slope, zip, zipperhead, and dink. Rarely did these labels applied only to NVA, VC, or other hostile forces. American soldiers and Marines routinely referred to their ARVN comrades-in-arms as "gooks." It was wartime.

Many years have passed since the last helicopter lifted off the roof of the U.S. Embassy in Saigon and the last boatloads of desperate refugees drifted through shark-infested waters to destinations unknown. The Vietnamese that came to the United States to seek freedom, real freedom – not the Freedom-Fry variety that George W. Bush likes to pontificate about. The Vietnamese-Americans are extremely hard working and patriotic, have become naturalized in astounding numbers, and have been extraordinarily successful in pursuing the American dream.

What has always confounded me however, is the overwhelming loyalty that this community has given to the Republican party over the last three decades. One can assume that this has been due to the Republican’s never-ending opposition to Communism, or at least their lip-service to that effect (as if somehow Democrats were pro-Commie). But what about the fact that two Republican presidents, Nixon and Ford, and their henchman Henry Kissinger, turned their backs on South Vietnam in their time of need, withheld further military assistance (materiel and otherwise), and precipitated its take-over by the Communist North. Although the anticipated blood-bath never materialized, the harsh retribution towards former American allies was what led to the exodus of South Vietnams best and brightest.

I have no doubts that a sizeable majority of the nearly one-million Vietnamese-Americans of voting age will support John McCain in November. He was, after all, the enemy of their enemies, Ho Chi Minh and General Giap, and old sentiments die hard. It will be interesting to see if the younger generation of Vietnamese-Americans, particularly those born in the U.S., will do the same.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2008/2/27/464978/-

***

Old news, but it gets interesting and meaningful these days.

Looks like McCain was a Vietnamese-hater throughout his life, till he kicked the dust. He was not only a hater, but also a racist.

I guess this is how the US establishment in general feels about Vietnam under the VCP.

The Chinese are more racist than he is. He's 1% racist to the Vietnamese while you Chinese are 99% racist towards Vietnamese.

Am going to educate you on one aspect of military life, which I am %100 certain you know nothing about it.

First...This is not a defense of John McCain, of which you know less about him than the average American.

Second...If you say that you read an article, if you do not post the source of that article, then what you claimed to have read is meaningless.

Third...And this is where the military aspect comes in. Every military know that once a member is capture, he is expected to divulge everything he knows, especially if the enemy employs torture. Everyone -- man and woman -- has a breaking point. No military expects its members to be superhuman and resist torture indefinitely.

When I was active duty, I went thru SERE...

https://www.airforce.com/careers/detail/survival-evasion-resistance-and-escape-sere

SERE training is available for diplomats, military members, and even civilian contractors to the government. For certain military members, SERE training is mandatory. For civilians, sometimes it is mandatory, sometimes it is voluntary. While the part of SERE training is 'resist', no one expects the captured person to resist indefinitely. If you are tortured, the US military will not punish you if you give away everything you know. The US military will do everything possible to rescue you, but if you are captured, we expect you to break sooner or later.

What I know of SERE training, I am sworn to secrecy for life, so do not expect me to defend McCain in this regard. But I will tell you this, women who went thru SERE training came very close to rape because that horrific act is expected for women. You -- like the rest of the Chinese members in this forum -- have never served, so you would not know what I am talking about.

So for you to try to slander McCain by implying that he divulged secrets -- without giving a source of what you read -- tells me that the point is about diminishing McCain's stature and what he went thru as a POW.

Gambit, I don't even know why you're still talking to these incompetents?

 

[TaiShang]

I am sure the N Vietnamese women and childrens also have a breaking point being at the receiving end of the indiscriminate bombings.

What is interesting in McCain statement is that he only hates Northern Vietnamese and has affinity toward Southern Vietnamese.

This explains that US regime's hatred toward Vietnam is not necessarily racist (McCain himself could be due to personal history), but political.

This also explains why the Vietnam government should be 10x more careful when dealing with the US regime and always diversify its strategic interests - especially with respect to developing relations further with China. Otherwise, life will be heard for a smallish-medium power in the region.

In this regard, @Viet 's recent post on China-VN border trade in local currencies is a smart step.

 

[gambit]

This is the link https://www.unz.com/article/mccain-and-the-pow-cover-up/

That article was about remaining American POWs in captivity in Viet Nam after the war ended. It has nothing to do with what you tried to insinuate.

Here are your words again, from post 4...

...how he betrayed his country during his catpure in Vietnam by confessing a lots of secrects...

We were expecting an article that McCain, while in captivity, was revealing military secrets, instead, we have an article that outlined how McCain hid documents that seemed to indicate that there were American POWs left in Viet Nam.

You exhibited the same behavior as that of your fellow Chinese in this forum -- failure to read your sources.

Btw, you should be relax since this is just a forum and I don't want all academic here.

This is a military oriented forum. Am willing to bet that you, just like your fellow Chinese in this forum, never expected to meet someone who has military experience. You are treading into an area I know, so I have no need to 'relax'. But precisely because I do have military experience, it is you who should tread carefully. I can afford to relax, you do not.

Also I didn't mean to slander Mccain but just sharing an opinion of an article that I once read about McCain to the OP.

The article you posted is not news. The intent of the article is to cast as negative a light on McCain as possible, and in the subject that hit McCain and the country in the most painful area -- American POWs in Viet Nam. So yes, you do want to slander McCain. Indirectly, via a third party, you want to speak ill of the dead.

Looky here...I know your mission -- to speak for and defend China in a public arena. Nothing wrong about that. Every public figure of every country is fair game for criticisms and even insults. McCain is no different. Just be honest about what are here for.