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Only Prophets have the power to see Angels, not even the Sahabas. So how can Zaid Hamid see them?
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Only Prophets have the power to see Angels, not even the Sahabas. So how can Zaid Hamid see them?
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Buddy I don't know if people will find it funny or not. But I have had real life experience, seen with my own eyes weird paranormal activity due to magic on our house (done by relatives). I have seen weird patterns being formed on our clothes (have seen them as they formed, all the family members, it was purple like glitter material), same patterns formed on the walls of the house, same weird patterns appeared on our faces sometimes (weird shapes) . There was a window air conditioner in the room upstairs locked for more than 2 months, we saw it turned on all by itself (some one manually moved the knob).
Drops of blood were sprinkled on my dad's clothes out of no where, while he was sitting.
However, we consulted a person, he was into this, He came to our house, did what ever they do, explained to us, that certain beings were sent through magic , have been removed. Its been fine since then. These weird incidents happened for a few years and the guy fixed it 5-6 years ago, no incident happened since then.
I didn't believe in it, neither did my dad , I mean we believed even if these things existed, they won't be in urban areas, where people live, but after these experiences , which I witnessed myself , I cant deny it.
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No im equating to your statement that you cant see Jinns & Allah .You also cant see Love .
Do you know what Love looks like ?
Have you seen love ??
The question Jaunty asked was not if you feel it but if you've seen it .
Yes i agree with you on the Peer stuff .
But Disagree with what the Elder said as Shaitan is of the Jinn & he can harm us .
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Buddy you are reading a book to a buffalo. Those who don't believe in these things, never will until they experience them selves. One needs to have an open mind to absorb the existence of supernatural, which is not within everyone's grasp. I my self have never had any paranormal experience, but i don't deny the supernatural world either.
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@Slav Defence May be we should send Dr. HoodBhoy this list for his comments? 
13 University-Sanctioned Paranormal Research Projects | Mental Floss
13 University-Sanctioned Paranormal Research Projects
IMAGE CREDIT:
WIKIMEDIA COMMONS
By Jill Hanson, JFK University
The existence of paranormal phenomena is one of those things you’re usually either heartily for or against. In case you’re on the fence about the subject, here’s a list of 13 of the most prominent university sanctioned (and unsanctioned) odysseys into paranormal research, and what they found.
1. STANFORD UNIVERSITY (1972 - 1980S)
Stanford University has many claims to fame when it comes to paranormal research: For starters, the esteemed university can rightfully assert itself as the first academic institution in the United States to study extrasensory perception (ESP) and psychokinesis (PK) on an official basis. In 1911, John Edgar Coover began conducting experiments into ESP. Other claims to fame include a rigorous scientific exploration of the purported psychic abilities of the famous “spoon bender” Uri Geller (there is no spoon!), which were studied intensively at the affiliated Stanford Research Institute (SRI) over a five week period during the 1970s.
Maybe even more exciting and curious than the possibility of bending metal with one’s mind was the CIA-sponsored Stargate Project, which took place at SRI in the 1970s. This secretive project was an effort by the CIA to explore the practical applications of Remote Viewing. Unfortunately, during the mid-90s, Stargate Project research officially ceased due to claims that the project failed to yield useful applications and intended objectives—but word on the street is that claims of failure were overexaggerated, and that research merely continued unofficially under the popular radar.
2. DUKE UNIVERSITY: PARAPSYCHOLOGY LABORATORY (1935 - 1965)
In 1935, Duke researchers J.B. Rhine and William McDougall made that university the second in the nation to officially enter into paranormal research when, after an exceptionally fascinating lecture by Sir Arthur Conan Doyle on the possibility of communication with the dead, the men formed the Parapsychology Laboratory as part of the university’s main psychology department. Laboratory research focused mainly on the critical study of extrasensory perception (ESP) and psychokinesis (PK).
To this day, Rhine is commonly accepted to be the father of parapsychology, not only for having coined the term with the help of his trailblazing partner McDougall, but also for having almost singlehandedly established parapsychology itself as a field of scientific and academic inquiry. While the Rhine name is no longer associated with Duke University directly, J.B. Rhine’s purported success in the vein of paranormal inquiry lives on at the Rhine Research Center.
3. PRINCETON UNIVERSITY: PRINCETON ENGINEERING ANOMALIES RESEARCH (1979 - 2007)
From 1979 to 2007, the tiny basement of Princeton University’s engineering building was home to the Princeton Engineering Anomalies Research (PEAR) project, which aimed to determine whether there was factual basis for theories in mind/matter interaction—or in layman’s terms, extrasensory perception (ESP) and telekinesis (TK). While officially expressed by university administration to be an embarrassment, the program claimed success when it was all said and done: Over the project’s 28-year run it was determined by PEAR researchers that compounded data from the many trials did in fact reflect highly significant statistical deviation from what one could expect from chance alone. In other words, minds intelligent enough to teach at Princeton believe that ESP and PK exist.
4. HARVARD UNIVERSITY (1990S - 2008)
Not everyone conducts paranormal research with the hope of finally harnessing proof of its existence. Recently, a team of Harvard scientists set out to disprove the existence of ESP, and even introduced a new method of research into the mix in order to do it.
To conduct their research, the Harvard duo included use of brain scanning with the aim of deciphering whether individuals have knowledge which cannot be explained through “normal” means (AKA the five senses). While researchers admit that technically the project’s results do not disprove the existence of ESP, they assert that findings from their experiment provide the most persuasive evidence to date against the existence of ESP. Professional skeptic James Randi is beaming with pride, I’m sure.
5. UNIVERSITY OF VIRGINIA: DIVISION OF PERCEPTUAL STUDIES (1967 - PRESENT)
With six years of research in the area of past lives (reincarnation) already under its belt, UVA’s Division of Perceptual Studies (DPS), a research unit within the Department of Psychiatric Medicine, was established by Dr. Ian Stevenson in 1967. The division is still kicking today, holding the field of Parapsychology afloat in North America as one of the only university-sanctioned paranormal research programs remaining in the U.S.
DPS research has explored such phenomena as reincarnation (most specifically through its focus on children who claim to remember past lives), near death experiences (NDEs), apparitions and after-death communications, altered states of consciousness, as well as many other psychic (psi) experiences. The Division credits its persistence over time with the great success it has had in substantiating claims within its reincarnation research.
6. THE UNIVERSITY OF ARIZONA: THE VERITAS (2006 - 2008) AND SOPHIA (2008 - PRESENT) RESEARCH PROGRAMS
The Department of Psychology at the University of Arizona is parent to an interesting and ever-evolving body of paranormal research. The VERITAS and SOPHIA research projects at UA were created with the primary aim of exploring the possibility that human consciousness might survive the experience of physical death. From 2006 to 2008, VERITAS explored survival (existence of the personality beyond death) and mediumship, until the decision was made to create a more comprehensive body of research including broader claims of after-death communication, such as communion with discarnate entities (spirit guides, angels, divine higher power) under the program name SOPHIA.
7. THE UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA, LOS ANGELES (1968 - 1978)
Barry Taff
Remember that “based on actual events” movie from 1982 called The Entity? Well, here you go: Over a ten year period, UCLA’s Neuropsychiatric Institute (NPI) was home to a “non-sanctioned entity” of paranormal research which studied clairvoyance, telepathy, haunted houses, Kirlian photography and even boasted a psi development group (1971 to 1980) which sought to help "normal people" develop latent psychic abilities. The lab operated on the fifth floor of what is now the Semel Institute, and existed by effort of a small group of passionate volunteer researchers—including Dr. Barry Taff and Kerry Gaynor, the very team who conducted the real-life poltergeist investigation on which The Entity was based.
After a little over ten years of research, the toll of political tension and pressure from unapproving university administration over ongoing media attention got the best of the project, and research was forced to conclude abruptly. Today, the lab itself is a ghost of sorts: UCLA and Semel Institute officials deny that the lab ever existed—other than a few flyers advertising the parapsychology classes which were taught on campus by the researchers, no evidence of the lab or its research even exist.
8. CORNELL UNIVERSITY (2002 - 2010)
In 2010, Cornell University's Daryl Bem concluded a rigorous eight year study on the subject of precognition, which involved 1000 Cornell undergrads over nine experimental runs and resulted in unprecedented, almost incomprehensibly positive results. Through a unique “backwards” approach to psychological phenomena, Bem’s experiment affirms the likelihood of "retroactive" psi effects—or in this case, the ability of a person’s physiology to “predict” an upcoming event regardless of the individual’s conscious awareness of its impending occurrence.
As if that wasn’t wild and exciting enough, Bem’s findings seems to be re-affirming theories within quantum physics. In total, an overwhelming eight of Bem’s nine experiments confirmed his hypothesis that psi is a real phenomena—and, according to Bem, the odds of getting such a combined result due to chance or statistical flukes are about 1 in 74 billion.
9. UNIVERSITY OF EDINBURGH (1985 - PRESENT)
A Chair of Parapsychology was established within the Department of Psychology at the University of Edinburgh in 1985. This entity of research is the esteemed Koestler Parapsychology Unit (KPU), which prides itself on its interdisciplinary approach to parapsychology. Scientific research at KPU examines such phenomenal claims as extrasensory perception (ESP) and psychokinesis (PK), as well as the nature and consequences of belief in the paranormal itself.
In 2010, KPU brought research into the 21st century when it used Twitter as the platform for conducting a mass-participation research project in the area of remote viewing and ESP. While the study itself did not conclusively show evidence for remote viewing per se, it was determined that Twitter was an excellent tool for future studies conducted by the Unit.
10. GOLDSMITHS, UNIVERSITY OF LONDON
Among one of the more hip experiments taking place in current paranormal research is the Mobile Telepathy Test being carried out by The Anomalistic Psychology Research Unit (APRU) of the Department of Psychology at Goldsmiths, University of London. This Mobile Telepathy Test seeks to explore instances of possible telepathy involving individuals receiving a phone call from someone they have just thought about. Through its research and experimentation, APRU hopes to determine whether this apparent phenomena is simply a coincidence, or possibly indicative of psi phenomena such as telepathy or precognition.
Also on the menu at APRU are studies in altered states of consciousness and hypnosis, as well as a series of recently concluded projects including the Joint Telepathy Test, which aimed to determine the possibility of sensing, for instance, when individuals are looking at the same photo simultaneously.
11. UNIVERSITY OF ADELAIDE: ANOMALISTIC PSYCHOLOGY RESEARCH UNIT (2003 - PRESENT)
In 2003, a division of dedicated research was established at the University of Adelaide in South Australia in order to further the scientific and academic study of psi phenomena. This division of the university’s Department of Psychology, named the Anomalistic Psychology Research Unit (APRU), was the brainchild of respected parapsychologist Lance Storm and his colleague, Dr. Michael A. Thalbou. One of APRU’s interesting ventures into the paranormal seeks to scientifically test the hypothesis that the blind are able to compensate for deficits in sight by naturally developing psi abilities that are statistically superior to those of individuals with normal abilities in ocular vision.
12. LUND UNIVERSITY
The ever-progressive Lund University of Sweden is currently involved in a long-term research project, investigating states of consciousness and parapsychology. The program aims to find a correlation between hypnotic suggestibility and incidence of psi phenomena during experiments. This inquiry follows previous experiments which found that highly suggestible individuals are found to experience a high rate of anomalous experiences such as telepathy and clairvoyance.
13. UTRECHT UNIVERSITY (1953 AND 2008)
The Netherlands is definitely known for its proclivity to produce open-minded thinkers. In 1953, Ultrecht University in The Netherlands definitely lived up to this reputation when it was host to the “First International Utrecht Conference on Parapsychology”—the first everconference of its kind—from July 30 to August 5. The event, considered to be one of the most critical moments in the history of modern scientific parapsychology, brought together 78 scientists and parapsychologists from 13 countries, who lectured and held excitingroundtable discussions about current research and to plan for the future of the field. In 2008, the followup “Utrecht II” conference was held, where lectures were once again offered by a who’s who of the field on subjects such as the reality of psi phenomena, ESP in dreams, field investigations of hauntings and poltergeist activity, self-organized reality, clinical parapsychology, and even physics as it applied to the field.
And the Honorable Mention goes to…
UNIVERSITY OF AMSTERDAM: ANOMALOUS COGNITION SECTION (1990S - PRESENT)
During the 1990s, The University of Amsterdam took on an interesting project in order to hone its students’ and faculty’s empirical research skills: it created the Anomalous Cognition Section (ACS), which in addition to making rockstar researchers out of its pupils, sought to explore the possibility of anomalous cognitive effects (which is simply parapsychology-speak for telepathy, clairvoyance, and precognition). This section was created under the oversight of the university’s Psychology Department, where as early as 1982 and 1986, student-run experiments had been conducted under university sanction in order to study the possible existence of psi phenomena.
Primary image courtesy of Wikimedia Commons
13 University-Sanctioned Paranormal Research Projects | Mental Floss
13 University-Sanctioned Paranormal Research Projects
IMAGE CREDIT:
WIKIMEDIA COMMONS
By Jill Hanson, JFK University
The existence of paranormal phenomena is one of those things you’re usually either heartily for or against. In case you’re on the fence about the subject, here’s a list of 13 of the most prominent university sanctioned (and unsanctioned) odysseys into paranormal research, and what they found.
1. STANFORD UNIVERSITY (1972 - 1980S)
Stanford University has many claims to fame when it comes to paranormal research: For starters, the esteemed university can rightfully assert itself as the first academic institution in the United States to study extrasensory perception (ESP) and psychokinesis (PK) on an official basis. In 1911, John Edgar Coover began conducting experiments into ESP. Other claims to fame include a rigorous scientific exploration of the purported psychic abilities of the famous “spoon bender” Uri Geller (there is no spoon!), which were studied intensively at the affiliated Stanford Research Institute (SRI) over a five week period during the 1970s.
Maybe even more exciting and curious than the possibility of bending metal with one’s mind was the CIA-sponsored Stargate Project, which took place at SRI in the 1970s. This secretive project was an effort by the CIA to explore the practical applications of Remote Viewing. Unfortunately, during the mid-90s, Stargate Project research officially ceased due to claims that the project failed to yield useful applications and intended objectives—but word on the street is that claims of failure were overexaggerated, and that research merely continued unofficially under the popular radar.
2. DUKE UNIVERSITY: PARAPSYCHOLOGY LABORATORY (1935 - 1965)
In 1935, Duke researchers J.B. Rhine and William McDougall made that university the second in the nation to officially enter into paranormal research when, after an exceptionally fascinating lecture by Sir Arthur Conan Doyle on the possibility of communication with the dead, the men formed the Parapsychology Laboratory as part of the university’s main psychology department. Laboratory research focused mainly on the critical study of extrasensory perception (ESP) and psychokinesis (PK).
To this day, Rhine is commonly accepted to be the father of parapsychology, not only for having coined the term with the help of his trailblazing partner McDougall, but also for having almost singlehandedly established parapsychology itself as a field of scientific and academic inquiry. While the Rhine name is no longer associated with Duke University directly, J.B. Rhine’s purported success in the vein of paranormal inquiry lives on at the Rhine Research Center.
3. PRINCETON UNIVERSITY: PRINCETON ENGINEERING ANOMALIES RESEARCH (1979 - 2007)
From 1979 to 2007, the tiny basement of Princeton University’s engineering building was home to the Princeton Engineering Anomalies Research (PEAR) project, which aimed to determine whether there was factual basis for theories in mind/matter interaction—or in layman’s terms, extrasensory perception (ESP) and telekinesis (TK). While officially expressed by university administration to be an embarrassment, the program claimed success when it was all said and done: Over the project’s 28-year run it was determined by PEAR researchers that compounded data from the many trials did in fact reflect highly significant statistical deviation from what one could expect from chance alone. In other words, minds intelligent enough to teach at Princeton believe that ESP and PK exist.
4. HARVARD UNIVERSITY (1990S - 2008)
Not everyone conducts paranormal research with the hope of finally harnessing proof of its existence. Recently, a team of Harvard scientists set out to disprove the existence of ESP, and even introduced a new method of research into the mix in order to do it.
To conduct their research, the Harvard duo included use of brain scanning with the aim of deciphering whether individuals have knowledge which cannot be explained through “normal” means (AKA the five senses). While researchers admit that technically the project’s results do not disprove the existence of ESP, they assert that findings from their experiment provide the most persuasive evidence to date against the existence of ESP. Professional skeptic James Randi is beaming with pride, I’m sure.
5. UNIVERSITY OF VIRGINIA: DIVISION OF PERCEPTUAL STUDIES (1967 - PRESENT)
With six years of research in the area of past lives (reincarnation) already under its belt, UVA’s Division of Perceptual Studies (DPS), a research unit within the Department of Psychiatric Medicine, was established by Dr. Ian Stevenson in 1967. The division is still kicking today, holding the field of Parapsychology afloat in North America as one of the only university-sanctioned paranormal research programs remaining in the U.S.
DPS research has explored such phenomena as reincarnation (most specifically through its focus on children who claim to remember past lives), near death experiences (NDEs), apparitions and after-death communications, altered states of consciousness, as well as many other psychic (psi) experiences. The Division credits its persistence over time with the great success it has had in substantiating claims within its reincarnation research.
6. THE UNIVERSITY OF ARIZONA: THE VERITAS (2006 - 2008) AND SOPHIA (2008 - PRESENT) RESEARCH PROGRAMS
The Department of Psychology at the University of Arizona is parent to an interesting and ever-evolving body of paranormal research. The VERITAS and SOPHIA research projects at UA were created with the primary aim of exploring the possibility that human consciousness might survive the experience of physical death. From 2006 to 2008, VERITAS explored survival (existence of the personality beyond death) and mediumship, until the decision was made to create a more comprehensive body of research including broader claims of after-death communication, such as communion with discarnate entities (spirit guides, angels, divine higher power) under the program name SOPHIA.
7. THE UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA, LOS ANGELES (1968 - 1978)
Barry Taff
Remember that “based on actual events” movie from 1982 called The Entity? Well, here you go: Over a ten year period, UCLA’s Neuropsychiatric Institute (NPI) was home to a “non-sanctioned entity” of paranormal research which studied clairvoyance, telepathy, haunted houses, Kirlian photography and even boasted a psi development group (1971 to 1980) which sought to help "normal people" develop latent psychic abilities. The lab operated on the fifth floor of what is now the Semel Institute, and existed by effort of a small group of passionate volunteer researchers—including Dr. Barry Taff and Kerry Gaynor, the very team who conducted the real-life poltergeist investigation on which The Entity was based.
After a little over ten years of research, the toll of political tension and pressure from unapproving university administration over ongoing media attention got the best of the project, and research was forced to conclude abruptly. Today, the lab itself is a ghost of sorts: UCLA and Semel Institute officials deny that the lab ever existed—other than a few flyers advertising the parapsychology classes which were taught on campus by the researchers, no evidence of the lab or its research even exist.
8. CORNELL UNIVERSITY (2002 - 2010)
In 2010, Cornell University's Daryl Bem concluded a rigorous eight year study on the subject of precognition, which involved 1000 Cornell undergrads over nine experimental runs and resulted in unprecedented, almost incomprehensibly positive results. Through a unique “backwards” approach to psychological phenomena, Bem’s experiment affirms the likelihood of "retroactive" psi effects—or in this case, the ability of a person’s physiology to “predict” an upcoming event regardless of the individual’s conscious awareness of its impending occurrence.
As if that wasn’t wild and exciting enough, Bem’s findings seems to be re-affirming theories within quantum physics. In total, an overwhelming eight of Bem’s nine experiments confirmed his hypothesis that psi is a real phenomena—and, according to Bem, the odds of getting such a combined result due to chance or statistical flukes are about 1 in 74 billion.
9. UNIVERSITY OF EDINBURGH (1985 - PRESENT)
A Chair of Parapsychology was established within the Department of Psychology at the University of Edinburgh in 1985. This entity of research is the esteemed Koestler Parapsychology Unit (KPU), which prides itself on its interdisciplinary approach to parapsychology. Scientific research at KPU examines such phenomenal claims as extrasensory perception (ESP) and psychokinesis (PK), as well as the nature and consequences of belief in the paranormal itself.
In 2010, KPU brought research into the 21st century when it used Twitter as the platform for conducting a mass-participation research project in the area of remote viewing and ESP. While the study itself did not conclusively show evidence for remote viewing per se, it was determined that Twitter was an excellent tool for future studies conducted by the Unit.
10. GOLDSMITHS, UNIVERSITY OF LONDON
Among one of the more hip experiments taking place in current paranormal research is the Mobile Telepathy Test being carried out by The Anomalistic Psychology Research Unit (APRU) of the Department of Psychology at Goldsmiths, University of London. This Mobile Telepathy Test seeks to explore instances of possible telepathy involving individuals receiving a phone call from someone they have just thought about. Through its research and experimentation, APRU hopes to determine whether this apparent phenomena is simply a coincidence, or possibly indicative of psi phenomena such as telepathy or precognition.
Also on the menu at APRU are studies in altered states of consciousness and hypnosis, as well as a series of recently concluded projects including the Joint Telepathy Test, which aimed to determine the possibility of sensing, for instance, when individuals are looking at the same photo simultaneously.
11. UNIVERSITY OF ADELAIDE: ANOMALISTIC PSYCHOLOGY RESEARCH UNIT (2003 - PRESENT)
In 2003, a division of dedicated research was established at the University of Adelaide in South Australia in order to further the scientific and academic study of psi phenomena. This division of the university’s Department of Psychology, named the Anomalistic Psychology Research Unit (APRU), was the brainchild of respected parapsychologist Lance Storm and his colleague, Dr. Michael A. Thalbou. One of APRU’s interesting ventures into the paranormal seeks to scientifically test the hypothesis that the blind are able to compensate for deficits in sight by naturally developing psi abilities that are statistically superior to those of individuals with normal abilities in ocular vision.
12. LUND UNIVERSITY
The ever-progressive Lund University of Sweden is currently involved in a long-term research project, investigating states of consciousness and parapsychology. The program aims to find a correlation between hypnotic suggestibility and incidence of psi phenomena during experiments. This inquiry follows previous experiments which found that highly suggestible individuals are found to experience a high rate of anomalous experiences such as telepathy and clairvoyance.
13. UTRECHT UNIVERSITY (1953 AND 2008)
The Netherlands is definitely known for its proclivity to produce open-minded thinkers. In 1953, Ultrecht University in The Netherlands definitely lived up to this reputation when it was host to the “First International Utrecht Conference on Parapsychology”—the first everconference of its kind—from July 30 to August 5. The event, considered to be one of the most critical moments in the history of modern scientific parapsychology, brought together 78 scientists and parapsychologists from 13 countries, who lectured and held excitingroundtable discussions about current research and to plan for the future of the field. In 2008, the followup “Utrecht II” conference was held, where lectures were once again offered by a who’s who of the field on subjects such as the reality of psi phenomena, ESP in dreams, field investigations of hauntings and poltergeist activity, self-organized reality, clinical parapsychology, and even physics as it applied to the field.
And the Honorable Mention goes to…
UNIVERSITY OF AMSTERDAM: ANOMALOUS COGNITION SECTION (1990S - PRESENT)
During the 1990s, The University of Amsterdam took on an interesting project in order to hone its students’ and faculty’s empirical research skills: it created the Anomalous Cognition Section (ACS), which in addition to making rockstar researchers out of its pupils, sought to explore the possibility of anomalous cognitive effects (which is simply parapsychology-speak for telepathy, clairvoyance, and precognition). This section was created under the oversight of the university’s Psychology Department, where as early as 1982 and 1986, student-run experiments had been conducted under university sanction in order to study the possible existence of psi phenomena.
Primary image courtesy of Wikimedia Commons
Actually the thing is people who personally experienced incidents or such events they don't find their answers in science, it does not help them to resolve their problems or make them understand what they have experienced or what they are experiencing (I am not talking about hormonal imbalances), in that case they resort to religion no matter how modern and educated they are. Religion helps them understand what it could be, this is a separate field in its own, I agree with Hoodbhoy scientists have nothing to do with it and they should not go into its details and restrict themselves to occasional sessions limited to knowing existence of such people only, science may be logical, interesting, easy and safe but this stuff is life threatening.
@fakhre mirpur chek out pervez's his frustrated rants
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"Bingo!"
Seriously, though, most of the OP is mirch and masala, but this paragraph is the one needs attention:
Whatever one's religious or scientific views, it is important to note that universities are supposed to be beacons of "enlightenment, open inquiry, and bold new thinking". If the author believes this wholeheartedly, then he should also be prepared to accept that such views that he ridicules, no matter how ignorant they may seem to be, have a right to be aired, exposing a delicious and deep irony.
As I have said many times before, it is not enough to reject anyone's views without presenting a better alternative. Just as we cannot reject what the Western media portray about Muslims without presenting a more compelling counter-narrative, we cannot reject anyone's views about Jinns, Angels, or Black Magic without presenting our own views, and then let the better narrative prevail.
Just as the discussion in the thread on objectionable material in Pakistani textbooks, if the narrative not acceptable to Dr. Hoodbhoy wins over in the universities, then so be it. If Pakistan's needs are best served by raising "a breed of students who will submit to authority, not question or challenge" then it is up to Pakistan to decide so.
You did made me speak ''bingo!''
The problem is that due to years of research and hard work,scientists have developed an undefined protocol.This means that for us,the definition of science have limited meanings:Anything which could be seen,measured or touched or it could be quantified can be concluded as science.We investigate with rational approach(in terms of maths).The term science made us visualize of some chemicals brewing in some lab.
On contrary to that,we have forgotten that science has been evolved from philosophical approach.Once an observation has been made,the observer thinks philosophically and then makes hypothesis!
One of my lecturer,the amazing one,who is teaching us genome analysis says that students are more focused on technology rather than strategy.
I believe that the strategy must be philosophical and for philosophical mind,one must free his/her mind.
Science does not mean brewing some chemicals,it means ''why'' and ''how''.We are afraid to ask questions because we are impatient to get answers.Not every question is answerable,but it can at least make us to adopt new approach of scientific study.
Albeit,the author have added mirch masala and I am glad that we are on same page,yet still this is the fact that our professors are either intellectually dishonest,biased or damn lazy!
Please give me sometime to read ''hoodboy'' comment
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You misunderstood,I am referring to his 1965 warfare events which he was discussing.
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DO NOT BELIEVE IT
HOPE TO NEVA SEE IT
SAY A PRAYER when you sleep at night AND do good things in life
love you parents RESPECT all elders
love god
NO ONE WILL COME NEAR YOU
HOPE TO NEVA SEE IT
SAY A PRAYER when you sleep at night AND do good things in life
love you parents RESPECT all elders
love god
NO ONE WILL COME NEAR YOU
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Wait till the burger boys come up with verses of Quran and start saying Jinn is real, Black magic is real, its why my Aunty is cross eyed, she's got a jinn in her.
Generally burger boys, do not quote Quran, often they write non sense as above. Who can deny the Quran? There is complete sura jinn in chapter 29. In fact they have their existence on earth. If you do not believe, no need to make a fun.
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From what I know, people do tend to rely on religion to solve these problems, however people who are into this are from various religious backgrounds, so its not limited to any certain religion !!!
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The article says ''technically do not disprove'' which means failure to disprove the existence of EOP. Still,the team must be jumping,which refers anything close to disapproval?or proposal of new hypothesis?
Sure,it must be sent to hoodboy
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People only rely on religion to solve these problems, some in very early stages and some after exhausting all other options. Moakal is the local term used to define them, don't know about others what they call these. Black magic exists too but problem with all this is person who has enslaved them or who holds this knowledge cannot use them for personal gains, its not like Alla Deen asking his genie three wishes. Haroot and Maroot if somebody is interested in religious research should read about them.
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From what I know Moakal is different from Jinn. Jinn is a creation of a different dimension, not visible to human eye. However cats and other animals have a Ultra voilet vision and can view these creation. Moakal is due to recitation over a certain period of time, in certain conditions.
May be you are right, I thought the two were same. There is whole procedure of enslaving them with the risk that they will kill the one trying to enslave them at the very first opportunity they get. Anyhow one of my close friend's grandfather had this knowledge and he did not transfer it anyone in his family, it has been more than a decade he passed away. Other cases that I know of some people tried some wazeefa and ended up mentally disturbed and lost.
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