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Ok, can anyone clear the following up:

1. Is the JF-17B (twin seater) the same as the Block III? A better question is: will the twin seater incorporate the same upgrades planned for Block III?

2. When is the planned flight of the Block III? The 2016 date is very unrealistic, IMHO.
 
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Ok, can anyone clear the following up:

1. Is the JF-17B (twin seater) the same as the Block III? A better question is: will the twin seater incorporate the same upgrades planned for Block III?

2. When is the planned flight of the Block III? The 2016 date is very unrealistic, IMHO.
Why do you think it is unrealistic? I think they have started this project several years ago.
 
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This range is not enough---JF 17 is not " enough " of an aircraft for the protection of Karachi and its assets----.

Our strikers must be able to target Mumbai and poona-----.

JFT flying from Karachi can safely remain inside the Pakistan's EEZ and fire CM's, which will easily reach Mumbai, Dawarka, etc!! In fact, PN Navy, under a new strategy, will be permanently stationed (on patrol /rotation basis) to the END of Pakistan's EEZ, which towards Mumbai, makes PN literally within a couple of hundred miles from Dawarka. So the blockade concept has died, just like the Cold Start turned into Cold Feet after the Defense Minister's full spectrum defense statements.

PN wants to start and limit the first phase of the Naval warfare right on the edge of the Indian - Pakistani sea boundaries. Which is over 300 KM's away from Pakistan's coasts. By the time, this defensive barrier is broken and a peace deal isn't on the table, flash lights will be lit up. Only God help everyone then. Which is why, both the countries should establish peace and do trade. Not talk about macho-man drama like wars. No one would win!!
 
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Why do you think it is unrealistic? I think they have started this project several years ago.

The PAF source claimed that it will enter service by 2016, implying that a notional prototype should have made its maiden flight several years ago. It's pretty apparent that did not happen.
 
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Why jf17 cant fire 4 BVR targets at a time which is minimum modern requirement for BVR engagement.just like mitsubishi F2 we can increase the wing area of jf17 or use Multi ejector racks. The Klj 7 default configuration for 2 targets in BVR was for passive guidance while active guidance was not disclosed :/
 
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The PAF source claimed that it will enter service by 2016, implying that a notional prototype should have made its maiden flight several years ago. It's pretty apparent that did not happen.
They do not claim enter service but make maiden flight
 
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Pakistan to boost JF-17 production by 25% in '16

Muzaffar Rizvi

Filed on November 10, 2015 | Last updated on November 10, 2015 at 08.35 am

Pakistan plans to boost production of JF-17 Thunder to meet its requirements as well as cater to export orders in future, according to a top official.

Air Marshal Javaid Ahmed, chairman of Pakistan Aeronautical Complex, said the production capacity of Joint Fighter-17 combat aircraft, popularly known as JF-17 Thunder, will be increased by 25 per cent from next year in the wake of growing buying interest shown by developing nations.

"We are in active negotiations with serious buyers from Asia, Africa and the Middle East for JF-17 Thunder and Super Mushshak and are quite optimistic of signing agreements soon," Air Marshal Ahmed told Khaleej Times at the Dubai Airshow.

Pakistan secured the first order from an unknown Asian buyer for its JF-17 Thunder jet fighters at Paris Air Show in June. It is hoping that the updated lightweight, single-engine and multi-role combat aircraft, along with 'Made in Pakistan' tanks and surveillance drones, will help increase military exports in coming years.

"We are looking for orders of about 250 aircraft in addition to international sales in the next few years. I'm very hopeful that we would be able to sign another customer for JF-17 Thunder very soon," Air Marshal Ahmed said.

Analysts said JF-17 Thunder has generated interest among its potential customers in developing nations and now it is time to convert this interest into mature orders. They believe the major selling point of the JF-17 is its cost, which is likely to be substantially less than the $16-$18 million price of a US-made F-16 Falcon aircraft.

Saj Ahmad, chief analyst at London-based StrategicAero Research, said the JF-17 Thunder sales prospects in the GCC states look very robust given the ongoing security concerns in the region. However, pricing remains an issue to give the jet a chance to effectively compete against other single-seat fighters.

"Given the strong relationship Pakistan enjoys with the likes of Qatar and Saudi Arabia, it's possible export orders would come from these nations first," Ahmad told Khaleej Times.

JF-17 Thunder, which was first inducted in 2010, is co-developed by the Pakistan Aeronautical Complex and the Chengdu Aircraft Corporation of China. It is deployed for aerial reconnaissance, ground attack and aircraft interception with an operational ceiling of 55,000 feet. "Pakistan Aeronautical Complex has the capacity to enhance JF-17 Thunder production rates. We initially started at a slow phase and are manufacturing 16 aircraft this year," the chairman said, adding that 12 aircraft have already been produced in 2015 so far and four more will be ready by year-end.

"Hopefully, we will be producing 20 aircraft at the aeronautical complex," he added.

To a question, he said the aeronautical complex will continue to maneuver the production rate to accommodate JF-17 Thunder customers.

"It takes 10-12 months to garner all resources for production and that is enough time to meet the export commitment. We have been working very closely with our Chinese partners to further increase the production capacity," he said.

To a question about Super Mushshak, he said Pakistan has already signed a contract for trainer aircraft with Iraq and two more deals are likely to mature in coming months.

"We are actively in negotiations with two other countries in the GCC and Mena region. Some African countries are also keen to buy Super Mushshak, which is a very good military trainer aircraft," he said.

Pakistan signed two deals with Iraq in May 2014 to supply 20 Super Mushshak MFI-17 aircraft and give training to Iraqi Air Force. Denmark, Norway, Iran, Oman, Syria and Saudi Arabia are among other customer of Super Mushshak, which is on static and aerial display at the Dubai Airshow.

Air Marshal Javaid Ahmed said the participation of Pakistan Air Force in this air show is a matter of great pride for the country.

"We have very good relations with the UAE, Saudi Arabia and other GCC countries. We always feel proud to see the progress and development in the UAE," he said.

16 to 18 mill $ for a F16 wow. I'm sure the writer means 60 to 80 mill $
 
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16 to 18 mill $ for a F16 wow. I'm sure the writer means 60 to 80 mill $

Used...the JFT has no serious competition with F-16 block 52 or 60. The used F-16's like block 40+, would be the main competitor as the US has a lot of them and the countries will be looking into them. Expect these planes to be refurbished and sold around $ 14-20 million a piece, depending on what additional stuff the customers want.
 
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Used...the JFT has no serious competition with F-16 block 52 or 60. The used F-16's like block 40+, would be the main competitor as the US has a lot of them and the countries will be looking into them. Expect these planes to be refurbished and sold around $ 14-20 million a piece, depending on what additional stuff the customers want.
Sure it has when American product has so many string attached. :D
 
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Sure it has when American product has so many string attached. :D

That's why you have sold this Chinese piece of art jet to like 2 Dozen countries :rofl: :angel: :crazy: :omghaha:!! The sanctions happened to Pakistan, and a few others trying to go nuclear. Out of which, you really sold this jet to Pakistan with their manufacturing rights. WHILE...the "strings attached" -16's are over 4500 in numbers, flying in over 30+ air-forces!!

If the sanctions were such a human tragedy, then why people bought over 1800 out of 4500 of these jets across the globe????
 
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That's why you have sold this Chinese piece of art jet to like 2 Dozen countries :rofl: :angel: :crazy: :omghaha:!! The sanctions happened to Pakistan, and a few others trying to go nuclear. Out of which, you really sold this jet to Pakistan with their manufacturing rights. WHILE...the "strings attached" -16's are over 4500 in numbers, flying in over 30+ air-forces!!

If the sanctions were such a human tragedy, then why people bought over 1800 out of 4500 of these jets across the globe????
You cant deny there are still some market not able to conquer by US with the sting attached(not only nuclear but human right and other US BS). The world is enough to be shared. :D
 
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You cant deny there are still some market not able to conquer by US with the sting attached(not only nuclear but human right and other US BS). The world is enough to be shared. :D

Like you've sold a few hundreds already??? :yahoo: :rofl:. Its a great plane for Pakistan, but others would prefer a Block 40 upgraded -16, over a JFT anytime. Made is USA is MUCH more in demand :usflag:, than Made in China when it comes to weapons!!
 
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Like you've sold a few hundreds already??? :yahoo: :rofl:. Its a great plane for Pakistan, but others would prefer a Block 40 upgraded -16, over a JFT anytime. Made is USA is MUCH more in demand :usflag:, than Made in China when it comes to weapons!!
Has the race ended yet? o_O

The american aviation started much earlier than China and so as US manned fighter jet. Of cos, no doubt in terms of loyalty and supply chain. US is more establish with its allies. BUT....

Let me give you an example. US UCAV program start much earlier than Chinese but not as much as manned aircraft program. And now, how much China has exported its military UCAV program?

CASC Rainbow - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

CAIG Wing Loong - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

China has estimated exported a hundred UCAV to Nigeria, Saudi, Iraq, Central Asian and Pakistan with more to come :yahoo:
 
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For the Block 3 or twin seater? They haven't even laid specifications out for the former yet.
block 3 and the twin seater both will make maiden flights next year.
the block 3 is expected to go into serial production by 2018.
 
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