Japan to Develop 6th Generation Fighter With US Help

[IblinI]

Well in all honesty, there is a history of human live experimentation else where too including both the US and the Soviet Union. But because Japan was defeated, that closet of bones was fully opened for the world too see while other majors powers are hush hush about their closet of bones. So on one hand, Unit 731 needs to not be forgotten be cause have general shared view about it being human experimentation being unethical, but at the same time, Japan shouldn't be so often singled out when others have done similar things. Sadly, it seems to be a side effect of big power countries in global competition. It be kind of naive to assume nothing like it has happened in the PRC it could be said.

only if these assumption eased you.

 

[Suika]

only if these assumption eased you.

Heh.

 

[Raphael]

Wish them more luck than they had for 'ShinShin'

 

[Suika]

I wonder if IJA is a Red cross alike organization in your dictionary as they came all the way to China to distribute lollipops.
Would you two just get a room if you guys wanna keep polluting the forum?

Hey, I was on topic about jet engines and kept the history stuff brief because it was off topic.

So to yourself, quit trolling.

 

[Suika]

Seems like you have replied to the wrong guy or just covering your buddy much?That's why I told you two to get a room.

Again, it was brief. And it was midway from Chinese extremes and Japanese extremism.

Learn to read or stop framing me.

 

[IblinI]

Again, it was brief. And it was midway from Chinese extremes and Japanese extremism.

Learn to read or stop framing me.

Suika the suki, you are defintely innocent in this.

 

[Ali_Baba]

I am very dissappointed to see Japan not take part in the Tempest Programme. They would have made a valuable contribution and benefited from it. I understand why they didnot want to take part, they did not want to be a partner in the programme, but be the lead and that position is already occupied.

 

[UKBengali]

The F-2 used new wing material for the first time and new ASEA radar type for the first time, both of which were Japanese technology. The engine and avionics were of the of the F-16. SO it was not a straight copy. The material and in particular the radar technology passed on the to the US.

This time with the F-3, in addition to again Japanese radar and air frame materials is Japanese engine and Japanese weapon bay.

I have no idea why Chinese keep downplaying Japanese aerospace capabilities!

It is like if they say Japan cannot do it, then Japan will fail.

Japan is one of the world's premier aerospace powers.

Although I did say that Japan is behind Russia and China, that is only in terms of overall total experience but not on quality in a lot of areas like electronics/ radar and airframe tech.

As you say the F-2 introduced the world to new materials to manufacture wings and also the first AESA radar on a fighter aircraft.

Yes Japan can make a "5th gen" fighter engine(just about) but I disagree that this will be enough. The UK's Rolls Royce is already trialling a "6th gen" engine that is based on a variable cycle engine and I understand that the Chinese are doing something similar. These new engines will be required to propel performance to the next level and are not just for show.

While Japan should be able to do most of the design of the engine for it's F-3 fighter by itself, it will need assistance from US to get it right up there with the best. Japan would not want to compromise on the quality of this fighter at all.

 

[Brainsucker]

Sounds very rational when you are using terms such as " crossed the line" on unit 731, as if there is a line from those creatures.
Hoped there is an emoji vomit.jpg
See you in 2030s, if there is this f3.

Well, F-3 will be there. But it will not that flashy 6th Generation Fighter. It will be only some kind of F-35 derivative. It is more realistic that way.

 

[gambit]

That's a mediocre track record of no original high performance tactical aircraft. Just because they can make some mediore transports and copy a F-16 doesn't mean they can make a high performance tactical aircraft.

That is hilarious considering how you guys often said the opposite of Chinese copy and reverse engineering skills. Essentially, if you can reverse engineer, eventually you can build your own.

But now that argument cannot be applied to the Japanese who has a longer history in all areas of technology than your China?

The JPNese WILL build their own and there is not a damn thing China can say about it.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

That is hilarious considering how you guys often said the opposite of Chinese copy and reverse engineering skills. Essentially, if you can reverse engineer, eventually you can build your own.

But now that argument cannot be applied to the Japanese who has a longer history in all areas of technology than your China?

The JPNese WILL build their own and there is not a damn thing China can say about it.

we'll see then. if past performance and current trend is an indicator of future performance then Japan's "6th gen" will be 3x the cost, 1/2 the performance and 10 years overdue vs. the American version... and the US hasn't even started 6th gen. Same goes for their 5th gen, which they also haven't started.

 

[gambit]

I have no idea why Chinese keep downplaying Japanese aerospace capabilities!

Because they are scared, that is all there is to it.

The forum Chinese and their suck-ups are practically terrified that the US will have an ally in the low radar observable battlespace. Yes, the F-35 is an international partnership and JPN is a member. But once JPN embarked on this venture largely on her own, perhaps with some US assistance, the US will have an independent ally in terms of design, manufacture, and combat doctrines. None of these -- China want in Asia. If JPN go, so will SKR. Then there will be three low radar observable combatants against lone China.

 

[thewayoftheworld]

It's a shame how China cornered JAPAN into working with a western hegemon.
China somehow started believing their own propaganda bureau's anti Japanese facade and than made some serious political blunders out of pure spite ,in very dumb manner .

Dude, American controls Japan military, economically, and politically. Thousands of American soldier are in Japan just in case Japan ever think about walking away. They were forced to sign agreements that benefit American. Japanese constitutions are written by Americans. So No. Japan is American attack dog in East Asia.

 

[Indos]

Because they are scared, that is all there is to it.

The forum Chinese and their suck-ups are practically terrified that the US will have an ally in the low radar observable battlespace. Yes, the F-35 is an international partnership and JPN is a member. But once JPN embarked on this venture largely on her own, perhaps with some US assistance, the US will have an independent ally in terms of design, manufacture, and combat doctrines. None of these -- China want in Asia. If JPN go, so will SKR. Then there will be three low radar observable combatants against lone China.

South Korea has already been developing 5 generation fighter with Indonesia since 2011 and the prototype will be completed in the middle of next year according to recent plan inshaAllah.

 

[gambit]

Ridiculous Japan cant develop 5th generation plane and now planning to do 6th generation.

I take it you have extensive personal experience in aviation. When Toyota made its first car, was it something like the Ford Model T?